Sir, the idea of a separation of these States into distinct

confederacies was thought of, and considered, and spoken of before

the adoption of this Constitution. At the time that the question

was before the American people, whether the Constitution proposed

by the Convention should be adopted, it was then spoken of. It is

probable--yea, certain--consequences were referred to by the writers

of that admirable series of papers denominated the "Federalist";

and I beg the indulgence of the Senate while I read a very brief

extract, conveying the views of those eminent men:

"If these States should either be wholly disunited, or only united

in partial confederacies, a man must be far gone in utopian

speculation who can seriously doubt that the subdivisions into which

they might be thrown would have frequent and violent contests with

each other. To presume a want of motives for such contests, as an

argument against their existence, would be to forget that men are

ambitious, vindictive, and rapacious. To look for a continuation of

harmony between a number of independent, unconnected sovereignties,

situated in the same neighborhood, would be to disregard the uniform

course of human events, and to set at defiance the accumulated

experience of ages."

If this was a just view of the probable--the certain--results of

a separation of these States at that time, and under the then

existing circumstances, I pray you, sir, upon what, at the present

day, can we found a better hope? Then the States were fresh from

the conflict of the Revolutionary war. Then, not only had they a

lively remembrance of the contest in which they had fought and in

which they had gathered victory and honor together, but the leading

men of that time were those choice spirits who had carried them

through that recent conflict, who had established the independence

of the country, and who exercised an influence in public affairs

proportioned to their patriotism, their valor and their wisdom.

Then they might have separated without the same causes of hostility

and alienation which must exist in any separation of these States

at the present day. If we separate now, we do it with feelings of

mutual distrust and bitterness. We divide, not by common consent,

as partners who can no longer carry on their joint business with

mutual profit, each to pursue, for his own separate advantage, that

course of business in which he thinks he can best succeed, but we

part with the feelings of those who consider themselves mutually

wronged. A sense of injustice and oppression rankles in the hearts

of one portion of the new confederacies, and a sense in the other of

defiance and indignity.

Under such circumstances, "what can ensue" (to borrow the language

of the great English moralist) "but a continual exacerbation of

hatred, an unextinguishable feud, an incessant reciprocation of

mischief, a mutual vigilance to entrap and eagerness to destroy?"

The question has been asked, What can the States do, supposing them

to be divided--separated into distinct subdivisions or independent

sovereignties? Allow me to answer that question in the words of one

of the most eminent men whom my State has ever produced: a man of

clear and comprehensive intellect, of a sound heart and enlarged

and ardent patriotism, who shed a glory around his native State, and

whose name is held in just veneration by every one who acknowledges

himself a North Carolinian. At another period of our history the

same question was asked. In the years 1831 and 1832 it had become

an inquiry, a subject of disquisition in my State, and the late

Judge Gaston, in an address delivered in 1832 before the Literary

Societies of the University, thus treats of the subject:

"Threats of resistance, secession, separation, have become common

as household words in the wicked and silly violence of public

declaimers. The public ear is familiarized with, and the public

mind will soon become accustomed to, the detestable suggestion of

disunion. Calculations and conjectures--what may the East do without

the South, and what may the South do without the East?--sneers,

menaces, reproaches, and recriminations--all tend to the same fatal

end. What can the East do without the South? What can the South

do without the East? They may do much; they may exhibit to the

curiosity of political anatomists, and the pity and wonder of the

world, the _disjecta membra_--the sundered, bleeding limbs of a once

gigantic body instinct with life, and strength, and vigor. They can

furnish to the philosophic historian another melancholy and striking

instance of the political axiom, that all republican confederacies

have an inherent and unavoidable tendency to dissolution. They

will present fields and occasions for border wars, for leagues

and counter leagues, for the intrigues of petty statesmen and the

struggles of military chiefs, for confiscations, insurrections, and

deeds of darkest hue. They will gladden the hearts of those who have

proclaimed that men are not fit to govern themselves, and shed a

disastrous eclipse on the hopes of rational freedom throughout the

world. Solon, in his code, proposed no punishment for parricide,

treating it as an impossible crime. Such, with us, ought to be the

crime of political parricide--the dismemberment of our 'fatherland.'"

To me, sir, these sentiments convey a just representation of what

will be the future and unavoidable result of a separation of

the people of this great country into distinct and independent

confederacies. And when I look at the prospect before us it is one

so dark, filled with such horrid forms of dread and evil, that I

willingly close my eyes upon it, and desire to believe that it is

impossible it should ever be realized. * * * * * * * *

Nor, Mr. President, must I forget that, in considering the effect

which this proviso [the Wilmot Proviso] is likely to have upon the

condition of the Southern mind, we must look to what has been said

by Northern gentlemen in connection with this subject. Permit me

to call the attention of the Senate to a very brief extract from a

speech delivered in the other end of the Capitol:

"In conclusion, I have only to add, that such is my solemn and

abiding conviction of the character of slavery, that, under a

full sense of my responsibility to my country and my God, I

_deliberately_ say, better disunion, better a civil or a servile

war, better anything that God in His providence shall send, than an

extension of the bounds of slavery."

SEVERAL SENATORS. Whose speech is that?

A SENATOR. Mr. Mann's.

MR. BADGER. We have heard much, Mr. President, of the violence of

Southern declamation. I have most carefully avoided reading the

speeches of Southern gentlemen who were supposed to be liable to

that charge. I happened, however, in the early part of this session,

and before the other house was organized, to be in that body when

there were some bursts of feeling and denunciation from Southern

gentlemen, which I heard with pain, mortification, almost with

anguish of mind. But, sir, these were bursts of feeling; these were

passionate and excited declarations; these had everything to plead

for them as being spontaneous and fiery ebullitions of men burning

at the moment under a sense of wrong. And where, among these, will

you find anything equal to the cool, calm, deliberate announcement

of the philosophic mind that delivered in the other house the

passage which I have read: "Better disunion, better a civil or a

servile war, better anything that God in His providence shall send,

than an extension of the bounds of slavery?" In other words, it is

the deliberate, settled, fixed opinion of the honorable gentleman

who made that speech, that rather than the extension of the bounds

of slavery _one foot_--yes, sir, there is no qualification, _one

foot_--he would prefer a disunion of these States, he would prefer

all the horrors of civil war, all the monstrous, untold, and almost

inconceivable atrocities of a servile war, he would pile the earth

with dead, he would light up heaven with midnight conflagrations;

all this--yea, and more--all the vials of wrath which God in His

providence might see fit to pour down on us he would suffer, rather

than permit, not one man who is now free to be made a slave--that

would be extravagant enough--but rather than permit one man who now

stands upon the soil of North Carolina a slave, to stand a slave

upon the soil of New Mexico!

Yes, sir, here is a sacrifice of life and happiness, and of all that

is dear to the black and white races together, to a mere idealism--a

sacrifice proposed by a gentleman who claims to be a philosopher,

and to speak the language of calm deliberation, a sacrifice of

our glorious Union proposed by a patriot, not rather than freemen

should be made slaves, not rather than the condition of even one

human being should be made worse than it now is, but rather than

one man shall remove from one spot of the earth to another without

an improvement of his condition, without passing from slavery to

freedom! Sir, after that announcement thus made, which I beg to say,

sir, I did not seek--for the speech I have never read--the extract I

found in one of the newspapers of the day--after that announcement,

talk not of Southern violence, talk not of Southern egotism, talk

not of our disposition to sacrifice to our peculiar notions and our

peculiar relations the peace and happiness, the growing prosperity,

and the mutual concord of this great Union. Now, sir, if that

announcement goes abroad into the Southern country, attended by this

wanton application of the Wilmot Proviso, an irritating commentary

upon that patriotic announcement, what can be expected? What but

the deepest emotions of indignation in the bosoms of those born

and brought up where slavery exists, and taking totally different

views of the institution from those which are taken by the honorable

gentleman who has placed himself in this cool and deliberate,

humane, and philosophical position!

Sir, we know, with regard to two or more of the Southern States,

emphatic pledges have been given, through their Legislatures, that

_some_ mode of resistance to this proviso will be adopted. Now,

what is to be the result of the Nashville Convention which has been

called for June next, should that body assemble and find matters

in their present condition? If no bill shall have passed to do us

justice by affording, as far as the law can afford it, the effectual

restoration of fugitive slaves; if a bill shall have passed, or be

likely to pass, with the insult of the Wilmot Proviso causelessly

and wantonly inserted in it, after the announcement made in the

extract of the speech which I have just read, and after that made by

the Senator from New York that so far from there being an obligation

to restore to us our fugitive slaves, the duty of hospitality

requires that they shall be received, kept and retained from us and

that the constitutional law which requires their restoration to

us is contrary to the law of God, and not binding in conscience;

and, still more, after the settled policy is fully realized that

those who visit our shores, coming under the protection of the

American flag within our jurisdiction, and, in violation of our

laws, seduce our slaves from us, and carry them to the North, shall

not be surrendered up as fugitives from justice, because the same

high and overruling law which puts the Constitution down, and makes

it a nullity, has converted what we call a crime into a high and

meritorious act of duty, what will be the result of this convention,

meeting under such circumstances, what may be, what probably will

be, the consequence? I say it not because I wish it, I do not

wish it; the conviction has been forced upon my mind by evidence

reluctantly received; and therefore I wish my friends around me

to give, for that reason, the more credit to what I say--if that

convention shall meet under such circumstances, in my judgment the

Union is from that day dissolved. I do not say that dissolution will

follow instantly; I do not say but that a connection, an external

Union, may not be maintained, and linger on for a few years longer:

but the meeting of that convention will be to our institutions, in

the language of Napoleon, "the beginning of the end"; it will be

the initiative step in such a course of measures, North and South,

as will result in convulsing us so far that the ills to which we

fly, cannot, in our judgment, exceed those we bear; and thus will

be put upon the people of the South the necessity, the painful,

hard necessity, of a dissolution, a final separation. Now, sir,

why do I take this view? In the first place, the meeting of the

Nashville Convention is, upon its face, a step towards a separate

and distinct organization of the Southern States. The very movement

separates them for a time, in purposes and intent, from the great

mass of the population of the country. They meet there for what

purpose? To consider, to deliberate, to debate--what? What course

of action shall, by mutual agreement, be taken by the States whom

this convention will represent, what manner of resistance, what

mode of redress? Now, sir, in all matters of this kind, in all

revolutions, in all dissolutions of the ties which bind us together,

the first step is the great difficulty. It is so even in social and

private life; it is so in the married state. The first wanton and

public outrage on the part of one towards the other of the parties

is easily followed by such steps as end in total and thorough

estrangement. Well, then, suppose no measures are proposed which

look to a separation of the Union, as I have no reason to suppose

that any will be proposed looking to that as an object, I fully

believe that that convention in Mississippi which terminated its

session in the call for this convention was influenced by high and

patriotic motives, seeking to preserve and not to destroy the Union.

If I wanted anything to satisfy me of that (besides other reasons

which I have), the very fact that the convention was presided

over by the venerable and venerated Chief Justice Sharkey, a most

learned jurist and patriotic gentleman, would be sufficient for me.

But when we have ascertained what people design by any particular

movement, we are far, very far, from having ascertained what they

may accomplish by it. Now, suppose this meeting should resolve that,

by a common concurrence of the States represented, laws should be

passed, police regulations be adopted, in those States, of the

most irritating and offensive kind towards the Northern portion of

the Union: such a course will not appear surprising, if we bear in

mind the fact that slaves are constantly taken from our ports by

vessels that visit them for the purpose of commerce; that, thus

taken, they are withheld from us, and their seducers are neither

discountenanced at home, nor restored to us for punishment; and that

a flagrant wrong on one side naturally provokes to measures at once

of protection and retaliation from the other. But, Mr. President,

the moment these States, by mutual compact and agreement, have come

to a resolution to adopt a particular course of measures upon this

subject, they have left the platform of the Constitution; they are

no longer upon it, because the Constitution expressly forbids a

State to enter into any compact or agreement with another State

without the consent of Congress. When this first step is taken,

the process is easy and need not be traced to a final dissolution

of our present Union: and, therefore, in the event of the meeting

of this convention, with the slavery question in the situation I

have mentioned, I have, I repeat, gloomy apprehensions of what

may be, and most probably will be the result upon the destinies

of our country. Force, Mr. President, cannot keep the States of

this Union together, cannot preserve the constitutional Union. I

distinctly admit what has been said by the honorable Senator from

Massachusetts [Mr. Webster], that no State has a _right_ to secede

from this Union. I distinctly admit that the Constitution, looking

to perpetuity, makes no provision directly or indirectly, for the

separation of its parts. But, in point of fact, from the very nature

of our institutions, the States cannot be kept in union by force.

The majority, or the most powerful portion, may conquer and reduce

to subjection the other; but when this is done, the States are not

in union, the constitutional connection is not restored. It is but

the spectacle of a conquered people submitting to superior power;

and no ties of affection, no cooperation in a common government,

no _American_ Union can reasonably be hoped between the conquerors

and the conquered. Believe me, sir, if ever the unhappy hour

should arrive when American blood is shed in a contest between the

States--some desiring to secede, and the others endeavoring to

compel them by force of arms to remain in the Union--whenever that

hour comes, our connection is immediately broken, to all beneficial

purposes, for the happiness or prosperity of the country.

Now, Mr. President, with regard to my own State. Should this

proviso be adopted, and should satisfaction not be given in the

other particulars which I have mentioned, will North Carolina

join in resisting, in any mode, the action of this government?

Will she unite in measures for secession, for revolution, or

for retaliatory legislation? I am so far, sir, from undertaking

to speak upon this subject for the South, which I wish to be

understood now and always as disavowing, that I do not feel myself

even empowered to speak what will be the judgment and conduct of

my own State. As was well said the other day by my friend and

colleague [Mr. Mangum], in presenting some resolutions to the

Senate, disunion is a question which we cannot discuss here as one

for Senatorial action. We are sent here to represent the State

under the Constitution, and to discharge ordinary legislative and

executive duties, which presuppose the Constitution to be entire

and in full force. We of course have no delegated authority to

speak the views of North Carolina upon any such question as that

which I have just stated. Last year the Legislature of my State

passed a series of resolutions, in which, after expressing in very

strong and decided terms the sense felt by the people of that State

of the wrong of the Wilmot Proviso, and other kindred measures,

they nevertheless adopted an extract from the Farewell Address of

Washington, embodying the sentiment that we were not to look upon

the Union as _in any event_ to be abandoned. Making all proper

modifications of that large and most comprehensive expression, "in

any event," it could have no less interpretation than this, that

none of the events alluded to by the preceding resolutions would

furnish ground for the abandonment of the Union. Since that time

this matter has been much discussed in North Carolina; primary

meetings have been held; different resolutions have been passed

by those meetings, some discountenancing and declining to be

represented in the Nashville Convention, others approving the call,

and resolving to send delegates; and one meeting, with a somewhat

singular inconsistency, while protesting against a government of

unlimited powers, solemnly pledged itself to adhere to, abide by,

and support whatever the Nashville Convention shall determine. I

hope, sir, that North Carolina will not concur on account of the

passage of the Wilmot Proviso, in any measures for the dissolution

of the Union or resistance to the Government. My own opinion is

that it would furnish no sufficient ground for such a procedure. I

say that here; I shall say it at home when the proper time arrives,

if a time shall ever arrive when it shall be necessary to say it.

But this I say, also, that I shall feel, if such an event as the

adoption of the proviso should happen, that a serious indignity has

been offered to us; not, perhaps, designed--I will not charge any

with a deliberate design to insult--but yet an indignity, because

such must be the wanton adoption of an objectionable and useless

measure, after distinct notice that it will be considered in that

light. And rely upon it, sir, that whatever may be the result in

regard to any external action of the people of the Southern States,

if something satisfactory is not done respecting fugitive slaves,

and if the application of this Wilmot Proviso is insisted upon,

there will be left in the hearts of our people a rankling sense of

injustice and offense. They will have less of hope in the future

operation of the Constitution. They will feel, to a certain extent,

a painful conviction that the large majority of the inhabitants

of the free States have not that sympathy with their feelings and

regard for their rights, that justice and moderation in the exercise

of the known powers, and that abstinence from the needless exercise

of doubtful and questionable ones which are so essential to keep

the mind of the country united; and, unless our minds are united,

the forced association of reluctant communities, who stay together,

not to obtain good from their connection, but to avoid evils of

separation, does not deserve the name of Union.

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