JOHN ADAMS.

_January 28, 1799._

_Extract of a letter from Rufus King, Esq., Minister

Plenipotentiary of the United States at London, to the

Secretary of State, dated November 16, 1798._

"The annexed arrêt would appear extravagant and incredible,

if it proceeded from any other authority; but mankind is so

accustomed to the violence and injustice of France, that we

almost cease to express our surprise and indignation at the

new instances that she continues to display."

[TRANSLATION.]

_Decree of the Executive Directory, of October 29, 1798._

The Executive Directory, upon the report of the Minister of

Foreign Relations, considering that the fleets, privateers,

and ships, of England and Russia, are in part equipped by

foreigners.

Considering that this violation is a manifest abuse of the

rights of nations, and that the powers of Europe have not

taken any measures to prohibit it. Decrees:

1st. Every individual, native (_ou originaire_) of friendly

countries, allied to the French Republic, or neutral,

bearing a commission, granted by the enemies of France, or

making part of the crews of ships of war, and others,

enemies, shall be by this single fact declared a pirate,

and treated as such, without being permitted in any case to

allege that he had been forced into such service by

violence, threats, or otherwise.

2d. The Executive Directories of the Batavian, Lagurian,

Cisalpine, and Roman Republics, shall be instructed to this

effect.

3d. The provisions contained in the first article shall be

notified to those powers which are neutral or allied to the

French Republic.

4th. The Ministers of Exterior Relations is charged with

the execution of the present arrêt which shall be printed

in the Bulletin of the Laws.

(Signed)

TERILHARD, _President_.

The message and documents were read, and ordered to lie on the table.

TUESDAY, January 29.

THOMAS SUMTER, from South Carolina, appeared and took his seat in the

House.

FRIDAY, February 1.

JOHN FOWLER, from Kentucky, appeared and took his seat in the House.

_Remonstrance of Georgia._

On motion of Mr. BALDWIN, the House resolved itself into a Committee of

the Whole on the report of a select committee on the petition and

remonstrance of the Legislature of Georgia; and the resolution reported

by that committee being under consideration, its adoption was opposed

principally by Mr. ALLEN.

Mr. NICHOLAS thought the following resolution would be less

exceptionable than the one reported, and it was agreed to--55 votes

being in its favor.

"_Resolved_, That provision ought to be made by law for

complying with such treaty as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES may think proper to make with the Creek Indians, and

for obtaining possession, in behalf of the State of

Georgia, of the lands lying within the country of

Tallassee, or other lands on the frontier of the said

State, which may be deemed equivalent thereto, and that

---- dollars be appropriated therefor."

The committee rose, and after some further remarks from Mr. ALLEN, the

resolution was concurred in--59 votes being in its favor. It was then

referred to the select committee to report a bill.

The House adjourned to Monday.

THURSDAY, February 7.

_Augmentation of the Navy._

On motion of Mr. JOSIAH PARKER, the House resolved itself into a

Committee of the Whole on the bill for the augmentation of the Navy,

and fixing the pay of the captains of ships or vessels of war; when the

first section being under consideration--

Mr. GALLATIN moved to strike out the words "six ships of war, of a size

to carry, and which shall be armed with not less than seventy-four guns

each; and these shall be built or purchased within the United States;"

in order to take the sense of the committee on the propriety of

building, at present, ships-of-the-line. When this subject was last year

before the House, the general opinion was, that during the present war,

considering the crippled state of the French navy, frigates and vessels

of a smaller size, were sufficient to protect our vessels on our own

coast, and in the West India seas; nor did that opinion seem to have

undergone any material alteration; for, although the Secretary of the

Navy, and the select committee, had reported that the expense of

building the six seventy-four gun ships now proposed, would amount to

$2,400,000, yet the appropriation asked for the present year was only

one million of dollars. It was not expected that much more than

one-third of the work necessary to send those ships to sea, could be

executed during the present year. It was not expected that they could be

finished in less than two or three years. They were not wanted for any

immediate purpose. The proposed measure was not therefore a measure of

defence. It was a project of a general nature. The question is, whether

it be proper, at the present time, to lay the foundation of a navy, of a

fleet, that might be able, hereafter, to give us a certain weight in

relation to European nations; which might be able to cope with the

fleets of those nations: and it was in order to bring that question

fairly before the Committee of the Whole that he had made his motion.

Should that motion prevail, it would not affect the building of the six

sloops of war which were said to be immediately wanted, in addition to

our present naval force, for the purpose of protecting our commerce. It

would merely prevent the building, at present, of a fleet which was

supposed, by the friends of the bill, to be wanted only for future

purposes.

This led him naturally to consider the expense of that navy. It is

stated by the Secretary of the Navy, that the annual expense of a 74-gun

ship will exceed 216,000 dollars, and that therefore the annual expense

of six of these ships will be about 1,300,000 dollars. That the building

and equipping a 74-gun ship, exclusive of military stores, will be

342,700 dollars; and that the military stores will cost 48,000 dollars;

so that the first building and equipping six of these vessels will cost

about 2,400,000 dollars. This is the first expense, but nothing is said

of the yearly repairing and building which will be necessary to keep up

a fleet of this kind. It is estimated, in the navies of Europe, that a

ship-of-the-line will last from 12 to 15 years; so that, besides

ordinary repairs, the whole expense of building would have to be

renewed every 12 or 15 years.[43] It would have been desirable, and it

might have been expected, that the select committee should have laid

before the House an estimate of the peace establishment of a navy to the

extent proposed, in order to have enabled the House to have formed a

just opinion on the main question. This they have not done; but

supposing the other estimates to be perfectly correct; supposing that

the expense would not overrun the calculations laid before the House,

and, if so, it would be the first time it had not done it; supposing,

according to those calculations, that a 74-gun ship will hereafter cost

us less than two-thirds of what 44-gun frigates have heretofore cost us;

it results, that the first necessary expense (including $150,000 for

docks and timber) will exceed, for six ships only, two millions and a

half of dollars; and that the annual expense of supporting them, when in

commission, exclusively of annual repairs, and of building new ships,

necessary to supply those that from time to time will become unfit for

service, will amount to 1,300,000 dollars.

If these premises are true, and he knew they could not be contradicted,

the conclusion must be most forcible that it is improper at present to

build a navy, especially since there is no immediate demand for it. But

if once the foundation of a large navy is laid, no one can say where it

will stop. The Secretary of the Navy does not suppose that six 74-gun

ships will be sufficient. He supposes twelve necessary; six are now

proposed merely as an entering wedge. And when once twelve

ships-of-the-line are obtained, if our commerce and coast, extensive as

they are, must be effectually protected, these will not be deemed

sufficient. He drew this conclusion from the naval force of European

nations. Our tonnage exceeds that of any European nation, except Great

Britain and Holland; and if we must have a navy to protect our commerce,

it must bear some proportion to the extent of our coast, to the amount

of our tonnage, and to the navies of the European nations. And upon what

terms are we to cope with the powers of Europe with respect to any navy?

It would be recollected that when last year there was a mutiny on board

the British fleet, in order to put an end to it, the sailors' wages were

advanced to one shilling sterling per day, equal to thirty shillings

sterling, or six dollars and two-thirds per month, whilst we give our

seamen seventeen dollars a month, so that we pay nearly three times as

much for men to supply our navy, as England does.

Mr. G said, he would not detain the committee longer at present, though

he meant to have made some observations with respect to the expense of

navies to those nations who support them in order to show that the

expense of them far exceeds the benefits derived from them. If reference

were had to European nations, it would be found, Mr. G. said, that

navies were used more as engines of power, than as a protection to

commerce. Even with respect to Great Britain, which is the only nation

which has succeeded in effecting any material object by a navy, though

she has obtained a preponderancy at sea, and has been mistress of it for

the last hundred years, yet it has been the means of involving her in

almost continual war, and the support of it has always been attended

with enormous expense. He believed he was correct, when he stated that

from 1776 to 1789, the average expense of the navy of Great Britain

(including a period of seven years of war and six of peace) was six

millions of pounds sterling a year. Now, said Mr. G., if we calculate

the rate at which we shall be obliged to pay for every thing

appertaining to a navy, what will be the sum necessary to support a navy

of any extent here? Suppose a navy should only be one-tenth part of the

British, and instead of 120 ships-of-the-line, we should be content with

twelve. The expense, according to the British rate of expenditure, would

be £600,000 sterling, nearly three millions of dollars a year; but when

we know that we pay three times as much for our seamen as they do, it is

impossible precisely to calculate what the expense would be.

In relation to European nations, it would be found, that none had ever

derived any advantage from a navy, except Great Britain. It has been

said (and by high authority) that an extensive commerce cannot be

maintained without a navy. In answer to this it may be said, that Spain

has always had a considerable navy, but very little commerce; their

tonnage compared with ours was insignificant, yet theirs is the third

navy in Europe. Holland, for a time, had a powerful navy; but they gave

it up, as more expensive than beneficial, since the wars of Queen Anne.

Yet their commerce, on this account, never diminished in any

considerable degree. They are the second commercial nation in Europe;

and they never suffer for want of a navy, except when they become a

party in war; he conceived, therefore, that a navy is not necessary to

protect commerce. At this time, Mr. G. knew that the commerce of Holland

was in a great degree annihilated; but so was that of France and Spain,

notwithstanding their powerful navies. Holland being at the door of

Great Britain, may, in time of war, be altogether blocked up by the

fleets of that nation. Fortunately that was not our situation.

Mr. G. concluded by saying, that as he believed commerce might exist

independently of a navy; that a navy would cost far more than it would

ever benefit the country; and knowing our finances were not such as to

admit of the expense, he must hope his motion would prevail.

FRIDAY, February 8.

_Augmentation of the Navy._

The House then went into Committee of the Whole on the bill for

augmenting the Navy, Mr. GALLATIN'S motion for striking out what

relates to 74-gun ships being under consideration.

Mr. JOSIAH PARKER hoped this amendment would not be agreed to. He was

happy to find, however, that the gentleman from Pennsylvania did not go

farther, and oppose the whole force, as he had heretofore always opposed

every thing like a navy. Indeed, he has acknowledged that our infant

navy has done some service, though he does not give to it all the credit

which the committee who reported this bill thinks it deserves. He

attributes the fall in insurance to other objects than the navy, because

he says it has fallen more on vessels to Europe, where our navy could

have had no effect, than to the West Indies, where that effect was more

likely to be produced. But the gentleman should have recollected that

the fall to Europe may have been occasioned by the vigilance of the

British navy; but in the West Indies, the British, or at least the

officers of the British men of war, seemed rather to countenance, than

prevent, the depredations of the French; as, in many instances, they

have suffered captures to be made by the French, and immediately

afterwards recaptured the vessels, and by that means obtained a salvage

upon them. Nor did he suppose the British Government would regret these

depredations, since they knew such treatment would serve to rouse the

resentment of this country against her enemy. Mr. P. supposed that the

saving produced by our navy had even been greater than the committee had

supposed, as, by the report made yesterday on the subject of our

exports, it appears they have been ten millions more than the committee

calculated them at. He allowed that our navy had not been the sole cause

of safety to our commerce; the British navy had also contributed greatly

to it. But it would be recollected that when this navy was first fitted

out, French privateers and picaroons were not only upon our coast, but

in our very bays; and, but for these measures, there can be no doubt,

but our shores would at this time have swarmed with French privateers,

which the British would have suffered, in order to widen the breach

between the two countries.

Mr. P. hoped when the quantity of shipping, and the number of seamen we

employ, is considered--that these are the means of bringing us from

foreign countries all that we desire to have from thence, and that they

thereby fill our treasury with money--gentlemen will not hesitate to

allow our commerce a competent protection. No nation, except Great

Britain, exceeds this country in the number of vessels and men engaged

in this service, yet no nation has done so little to protect them. He

trusted we should be allowed to have a sufficient navy to protect our

commerce and coast, and to cause us to be respected abroad.

The British Government, Mr. P. said, has 141 sail-of-the-line,

(according to Steele's list, which he had lately seen,) and these,

according to the opinion of the first statesman and politician that

England ever possessed, Lord Chatham, require as many thousand seamen;

not that each vessel requires 1000 men, but it is necessary to have this

number in order to employ their frigates and sloops of war, not that the

ships of the line require 1000 men; yet, though Britain has this immense

navy, she has not double the number of merchant vessels and seamen which

this country possesses. If, said Mr. P., these six 74-gun ships and six

sloops are agreed to, we shall not want more than 12,000 seamen to man

our navy. At present we have only 4,000; and the whole annual expense

will be 4,230,149 dollars. Mr. P. believed, in order to give us

efficient protection, we ought to have eleven sail-of-the-line; but as

he considered six to be as many as our present finances will allow, he

should be satisfied with that number.

The gentleman from Pennsylvania wished to be informed as to the expense

of a peace establishment of our navy. A large navy in time of peace

would be unnecessary; he should wish it, however, to be kept on a

respectable footing. Many of our ships, Mr. P. said, will last much

longer than the gentleman from Pennsylvania had supposed; some of them,

he doubted not, would last forty or fifty years. The British have ships

which have been in service thirty years; when poorly built they may not

last more than seven years. He had not made an estimate of what would be

the expense of a peace establishment with respect to the navy; nor did

he know what force the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES might think it

necessary to maintain in time of peace, but he supposed it would be

small, and a single officer and thirty men would be sufficient to take

care of a ship where she is laid up in ordinary: that only a few of the

best ships would be kept, and the others sold.

The gentleman from Pennsylvania had represented the expense of a navy in

this country as being much greater than in England; but when he spoke of

the pay of British sailors being only one shilling sterling a day, he

was certainly mistaken. They have at least a guinea and an half a month,

which is seven dollars; and ours average fourteen dollars, which is

double to that of England. If the same means were taken here that are

taken in England, of raising men by means of press-gangs (which,

however, he rejoiced never could be suffered in this country,) they

might, perhaps, be gotten on easier terms, as the Government might

follow the example of Great Britain, by fixing the pay and pressing the

men. He would much rather pay higher wages; especially when it is

considered that a very small part of the money paid to seamen will ever

go out of the country; they spend their money freely, and the United

States will not, therefore, lose it.

And as to the number of men employed in the navy, if they were not thus

employed in our own service, they would go abroad, since this is the

employment they choose; indeed, if all our citizens were employed in

cultivating the ground, our produce would be so great, and sell for so

little, as to make it scarcely worth the trouble of raising. And if we

do not provide for our own defence, we shall be at the mercy of every

foreign power which chooses to insult or ill-treat us. The interests of

commerce and agriculture must always go hand in hand; and farmers who

now get so much better a price for their product than they heretofore

got, ought to be the first in supporting a navy sufficient to protect

our vessels in carrying that produce to foreign countries. When they see

their interests more clearly, Mr. P. trusted they would, like the

gentleman from Pennsylvania, be ready to allow that our navy is of

service. It would be happy for us, and for the world, Mr. P. said, if

there were no use for navies, and nations might be permitted to carry

their productions wherever they pleased without annoyance; but, while

nations continue to make war upon each other, we must expect to come in

for our share of the evils of such a system, and it will be necessary to

have some force not only to guard against injuries, but to keep foreign

belligerent nations in check, lest we should throw our force into the

scale against them. The French Directory, said Mr. P., have lately

passed a decree, which ought to be considered as a declaration of war

against the world, "that the citizens of neutral countries found on

board of any of their ships shall be considered and punished as

_pirates_!" Where is the man, exclaimed he, who will not defend his

country and his fellow-citizens against such a decree?

Mr. P. said he would take the liberty of quoting the authority, on the

subject of a navy, of a gentleman who deservedly ranked high in public

estimation, and whom he was proud to call his countryman. The authority

he referred to was Mr. Jefferson's Notes on Virginia. He read the

following extract.

"But the actual habits of our countrymen attach them to

commerce. They will exercise it for themselves. Wars, then,

must sometimes be our lot; and all the wise can do, will be

to avoid that half of them which would be produced by our

own follies, and our own acts of injustice; and to make for

the other half the best preparations we can. Of what nature

should these be? A land army would be useless for offence,

and not the best nor safest instrument of defence. For

either of these purposes, the sea is the field on which we

should meet an European enemy. On that element it is

necessary we should possess some power. To aim at such a

navy as the greater nations of Europe possess, would be a

foolish and wicked waste of the energies of our countrymen;

it would be to pull on our own heads that load of military

expense which makes the European laborer go supperless to

bed, and moistens his bread with the sweat of his brow. It

will be enough if we enable ourselves to prevent insults

from those nations of Europe which are weak on the sea,

because circumstances exist which render even the stronger

ones weak as to us. Providence has placed their richest and

most defenceless possessions at our door--has obliged their

most precious commerce to pass, as it were, in review

before us. To protect this, or to assail us, a small part

only of their naval force will ever be risked across the

Atlantic. The danger to which the elements expose them here

are too well known, and the greater danger to which they

would be exposed at home, were any general calamity to

involve their whole fleet. They can attack us by detachment

only; and it will suffice to make ourselves equal to what

they may detach. Even a smaller force than what they may

detach will be rendered equal or superior by the quickness

with which any check may be repaired with us, while losses

with them will be irreparable till too late. A small naval

force, then, is sufficient for us, and a small one is

necessary. What this should be, I will not undertake to

say. I will only say, it should by no means be so great as

we are able to make it."

Mr. P. perfectly concurred in this opinion. He had frequently expressed

it. But the gentleman from Pennsylvania says we have no money, and

therefore we ought neither to have a navy nor any thing else, to defend

ourselves at home or at sea. He tells the House that our revenue will

not exceed ten millions, and that if we agree to have these ships built,

we shall want twelve millions. Mr. P. trusted that if these two millions

were wanted the ways and means will be found, rather than that we shall

suffer our commerce to be destroyed, and lose all our credit as a nation

abroad. Admitting, said Mr. P., that our debt is a hundred millions of

dollars, it must be recollected that its increase has been owing to a

number of causes which could not be avoided, amongst which was our war

with the Indians, the Western insurrection, our treaty with Algiers, and

the building of vessels for the protection of our commerce; but if our

debt is fifteen millions more now than it was at the commencement of the

present Government, our numbers have greatly increased since that time,

so that he supposed, considering the number of individuals who have to

bear it, it is not so heavy, in proportion to our population, as it was

at that time. Having the ability, therefore, he trusted there would be

found the will to provide a respectable naval force to protect us at

home, our commerce abroad, and leave us in a situation to be more

respected by foreign nations than we have heretofore been, and therefore

hoped the present motion would be rejected.

Mr. HARPER.--Notwithstanding, Mr. Chairman, the subject now before the

committee, the usefulness of a Naval Establishment for the United

States, has been so frequently and so fully discussed on former

occasions, I deem it important to enter once more into a particular

consideration of it, less on account of the general reasons so often

urged against the measure, than of those particular objections, founded

on the supposed state of our pecuniary resources, whereby it has, at

this time, been assailed.

The gentleman from Pennsylvania has proved, as he thinks, that no

possible navy could be equal to the protection of our commerce, extended

as it is. And how has he proved this? By the example of other

nations--of Holland, Spain, and Great Britain. Spain, he says, has a

very considerable navy, perhaps the third in Europe, and yet no

commerce. Holland found herself unable to support her navy, and even

while she supported it, was unable to protect her trade; and therefore

she gave it up, and yet, after she had done so, continued to possess a

very great commerce. Even Britain, according to him, mistress of the

ocean as she has been for a century past, has not fully protected her

trade by her marine; which, in the mean time, has cost her more than the

whole sum which her trade has yielded--and, therefore, she would have

been better without a navy. This, Mr. Chairman, is the calculation of a

schoolboy, not of a statesman; of the counting-house, not of the

cabinet; and if the judgment of the gentleman from Pennsylvania were not

warped on this, as on so many other occasions, by his particular

political system, he would be one of the last persons in the world to

present the subject in a point of view so much beneath a mind of the

least political discernment. The gentleman, in fact, forgets that

Britain is indebted to her navy, not for her commerce only, but for her

independence; not only for the dominion of the seas, but for her

existence as a nation. Every man, who is in the smallest degree versed

in history, knows that Great Britain, but for her navy, must long since

have been a province of France. Had not Britain been mistress of the

ocean, France would long since have been not only her mistress, but

mistress of the rest of Europe. That great people, uniting within itself

all the sources of military, pecuniary, and maritime strength, has never

ceased to contend for universal empire, with immense means, vast genius,

boundless ambition and unwearied perseverance, since the period when,

two centuries ago, its provinces became united under one Government, and

its immense resources, managed and called into activity by a minister

whose mind was equal to his station, were directed to the increase of

its power and extension of its limits. How has Britain been enabled to

check this formidable career, to maintain her own power, and to arrive

at her present high pitch of consequence in the scale of nations? Not by

her population, which is little more than one-third of that possessed by

France; nor by her insular situation, which heretofore could not protect

her from invasion and conquest; nor by her military power, which, when

compared with that of France, has never been considerable--but by her

navy. It was that navy, and the wealth which commerce, protected by it,

poured into her lap, that enabled her to support with glory so unequal a

contest, to call to her aid the military force of Germany, and thus to

establish a counterpoise to the power of France. But for this naval

force, and the commerce which it protected and cherished--but for this

union, cemented by the money, and aided by the maritime preponderance of

England--France, combining, as she did, greater means of strength of

every kind than any other nation, or even than all the nations of

Europe united, except Germany and Great Britain, must long since have

established her dominion over all. England must have fallen first, being

unable, without the command of the sea, to save herself from invasion;

and then the powers of the Continent, deprived of the pecuniary aid

wherewith England was enabled by her commerce, under the protection of

her navy, to supply and unite them, would have bent, one after another,

beneath her formidable and continually augmenting strength. Even now

this same navy enables England to ride secure amidst the most terrible

storm wherewith the political world has ever been afflicted; to brave

all the tremendous dangers by which she has been threatened; to baffle

every attempt against her safety, or that of her remotest possessions;

and amidst the dismay, the humiliation, or the total overthrow of so

many powers, to triumph over her rival, whose strength, always

formidable, is exercised, not more by her extension of territory and of

influence, than by the consternation wherewith her successes have

stricken other States, by the disunion and feebleness which has

characterized their counsels, by the terrible weapon of internal

commotion with which she threatens, or has actually assailed them, and

by the unheard of despotism of her own Government, which enables it to

employ, in a degree hitherto unexampled in the history of civilized men,

the physical forces of the nation, in executing its plans of plunder and

conquest. This same navy enables England not only to maintain thus

gloriously a conflict so dreadful and so unequal, but to stand the

barrier between independence and universal dominion, between liberty and

the most degrading despotism, between civilization and the barbarism of

the dark ages--to become the citadel of property, the storehouse and the

banker of the world, and to render all nations, with their own consent,

tributary, by means of her commerce, to the support of her greatness.

What, then, Mr. Chairman, must we think of that political system which

estimates the British navy by a calculation of the sums which it has

cost to maintain it; forgetting that, without this navy, there would

have been no wealth to supply these sums, and, perhaps, no nation to pay

them; that without this navy, Great Britain, instead of holding her

present exalted station among the powers of the earth, must long since

have sunk into a secondary and unimportant State; and, probably, into

the condition of a province of that very rival against whom she now so

nobly and so gloriously contends! Is it too much to say of such a

calculation, that it is a paltry calculation, unworthy of a statesman,

and befitting only a schoolboy?

But even the navy of Great Britain, the gentleman from Pennsylvania has

told us, formidable as it is, has not afforded complete protection to

her commerce. How, then, he asks, can we expect to protect our commerce

by a navy? If the gentleman means by "protection" the total prevention

of captures at sea, it is certain that no nation ever did, or ever can

protect its commerce, in that scale. But that is not the true idea of

"protection," which means nothing more than such a degree of safety as

may enable the merchants of a nation, taken as a body, to pursue their

commercial enterprises without discouragement, or eventual loss. This is

all the protection that is ever attempted, or that is necessary; and

this, I contend, we have it in our power to give.

Respecting the navy of Holland, the gentleman from Pennsylvania falls

into a mistake equally remarkable. Holland, he tells us, has no navy,

and yet maintains a very great commerce. Formerly she had a navy, but

could not maintain it, and was forced to give it up. But where did that

gentleman learn that Holland has no navy? Had she no navy in the

American war, when with great gallantry, though with unequal success,

she fought the English at sea? Had she no navy when she fitted out the

formidable armament under De Winter, in October, 1797, which, after a

dreadful conflict, was defeated rather by the superior address of the

British Admiral, than the superior force or bravery of his fleet? Do we

not know, that even now, after this fatal defeat, she possesses, in her

different harbors, a much more numerous fleet than is proposed by the

present bill for the United States? How then could the gentleman from

Pennsylvania say that Holland has no navy? He ought to have known that

until the marine of France and Spain were destroyed, in the present war,

that of Holland was sufficient to turn the scale in their favor and

against England; which gave her not only security for her commerce, but

respectability and weight among the maritime powers of Europe.

As to the other assertion of the gentleman from Pennsylvania, that

Holland a long time ago found her navy too burdensome for her resources,

and therefore gave it up, it is equally erroneous. Holland, as we have

seen, never gave up her navy, and even now, exhausted and ruined as she

is by French fraternity and internal revolution, maintains a much

greater one than is proposed for the United States. There is, indeed, a

period in her history, the close of the last and the beginning of the

present century, when she ceased to be ranked with the first maritime

powers of Europe; but that happened, not through the want of means, but

a mistake in policy. Before that period her system had been wholly

maritime. All her resources were applied to her navy. A maritime armed

neutrality was her great object, and she long preserved it with success.

Her commerce, fostered by her marine, spread over every sea; and the

Northern maritime States, guided to the same policy by her influence,

acknowledged her as their umpire, their mediator, and their safeguard.

The great powers courted her alliance and respected her rights. She

interfered with weight in their disputes. Her village of the Hague

became the centre of their most important negotiations. She disputed

the empire of the seas with them singly; and, at one time, she held the

united forces of France and England in check at sea, and finally

compelled the French armies to retreat from her territory, which they

had overrun and occupied. All this she effected by means of her navy,

and of the resources which it had furnished to her by the protection of

her commerce.

At this period she altered her system, and instead of cherishing her

marine, and confining herself solely to the maintenance of her commerce,

by an armed maritime neutrality at the head of the Northern Powers, she

engaged in the land wars of the great military powers, and made

exertions disproportionate to her strength, whereby her resources were

exhausted. Into this fatal mistake she was drawn by the aspiring

ambition, the popularity, and the heroism of one of her own citizens,

stimulated and aided by the aggressions, the insults, and the alarming

encroachments of the French Monarch, Louis XIV., at the zenith of his

glory, evidently aspiring to universal dominion. William III., placed by

his birth and personal merit at the head of the Dutch nation, saw those

objects of French ambition, and roused his own country to resistance.

Called, at length, to the Government of England, he communicated to that

nation his own martial ardor. He finally succeeded in forming a

confederacy to check the progress of France. Of this confederacy,

Holland, his native country, was induced by his influence to become a

principal member. At the head of it he struggled against the power of

France, with unequal means, and sometimes with unprosperous fortune, but

with a genius and perseverance not to be subdued, and a heroism rarely

to be equalled. After his death, the impulse which his mind had given to

his own and other countries continued to be felt, and the confederacy

was renewed under his successor, on a different occasion, but with the

same views. At length its object was altered. France was completely

humbled and Europe secured against her enterprises, but the strength of

Holland was undermined in the struggle. The vast armies which she had

kept up had loaded her with debts. Her operations for so many years, by

land, had drawn off her attention from her marine; and from that moment

it declined, while that of England rose gradually on its ruins.

Hence, Mr. Chairman, the downfall of the maritime greatness of Holland.

Her resources were not equal to the maintenance of fleets and armies, of

both maritime and military strength. While she was left to attend solely

to her maritime concerns, she continued to be powerful, respected, and

prosperous; but her situation on the Continent, in the neighborhood of a

great and ambitious military power, drew her, perhaps unnecessarily,

into land wars, to which her strength was unequal, and, of course, her

naval power declined. But still she continued for a century to keep up a

navy sufficient to form a considerable weight in the scale, and to

secure attention to her rights as a nation; and under this security her

commerce continued to flourish, in a greater or less degree, till a

domestic revolution, aiding and aided by foreign oppression, dried up

all its sources.

What, then, Mr. Chairman, is the instruction which we may draw from this

example? A nation whose population never exceeded two millions and a

half, and whose territory, compared with ours, is but a mere speck on

the surface of the globe, a mere garden spot, was able to maintain a

most formidable marine, while it attended to that object solely, to

extend its commerce under the protection of this marine, and to maintain

not only an equal, but a distinguished rank, among the great powers of

Europe, by whose territories it was surrounded, and by whose formidable

armies it was liable to be invaded. Even this nation, after a mistake in

its policy, or the pressure of inevitable circumstances, it had been

induced to divert its attention from its marine to land wars, to exhaust

its resources, and burden itself with debts too great for its means, by

these disproportionate efforts, still was able to preserve a navy

sufficient to give respectability to its flag, and a degree of safety to

its commerce. Even now, when its resources are dried up by anarchy, or

diverted by foreign exaction into the coffers of another nation; when

its territory is curtailed, and its population reduced to one million

and a half; when it is compelled to maintain an army of 25,000 men for

France, still it has a navy greater than we propose. Shall it, then, be

said, that this country, with probably six millions of population, most

rapidly increasing, with an extent of territory capable of containing

fifty millions, with a commerce greater than that of Holland ever was,

and with more tonnage and sailors than she ever possessed, is not able

to support such a navy as she, even since the commencement of her

downfall, has always supported, and still supports? Yes, it is said by

the gentleman from Pennsylvania; but the good sense of this House and of

this country will, I trust, correct his mistake, as it has so often done

heretofore.

But if it were true, Mr. Chairman, that Holland had afforded no

protection to her commerce by the navy which she has been able to keep

up, does it follow that the same thing will happen to us? Will the same

navy be more efficacious in our case, than in the case of Holland, or

Spain, or Portugal? This must be taken for granted in order to give any

solidity to the argument of the gentleman from Pennsylvania, and yet

nothing can be more untrue. Those States are situated at the very door

of the great maritime powers, and their dominions are also exposed to

invasion by land. They must, therefore, either singly or by combinations

with other powers, contend against the whole maritime force of those

great States, and must maintain navies adequate to that purpose. But we

are under no such necessity. Placed at a vast distance from those great

powers, and in the neighborhood of those possessions which contribute

most to the support of their commerce and their navies, we can attack

them in a weak, and yet a vital part, with our whole force, while but a

small part of their force can at any time be brought to act against us.

It is with this part only that we shall have to contend, should they at

any time drive us into a war. Let us take England as an instance. Her

great and valuable possessions lie at our threshold. The uniform course

of the trade-winds compels all her vast and rich commerce with those

possessions, to pass almost in sight of our shores. The force which she

can send to protect this commerce and annoy us, in case of a rupture,

will not be her whole force, but that part of it only which she can

spare from Europe, after securing her preponderance there. France,

notwithstanding the prostrate condition of her navy at present,

possesses maritime means which will speedily enable her to raise it up

again, whensoever those means come to be directed, as one day they must,

by a Government of some understanding. This navy, and the maritime

combinations which will be formed under its protection, England must

watch and keep under. Her existence will depend upon it. She will,

therefore, have but little force to spare which she can bring to act

against us. A comparatively small maritime force, therefore, will compel

her to respect us, and to avoid a quarrel with us by all just and

reasonable means.

It follows that a moderate navy, a much smaller one than Holland, Spain,

or even Portugal, have supported, would be sufficient for our

protection, aided by the peculiar advantages of our situation. Those

nations, inconsiderable as they are when compared to us in population,

wealth, and extent of territory, have supported navies which, however

unequal to that of England, have yet afforded some degree of protection

to their trade, rendered their flags in some degree respectable, and

given them a weight in the scale, a consequence among nations, which

otherwise they could not have had. And shall not we, with our great and

increasing resources, and the peculiar advantages of our situation, be

able to effect still more?

Mr. NICHOLAS said this question was different from any former question,

with respect to the Navy, which had been before the House. Whatever

gentlemen may have heretofore said with respect to the advantages of a

navy for the protection of our commerce, they must agree that the

present question has a different aspect, as no man can say that

seventy-four gun ships are calculated to resist the kind of force which

has heretofore made attacks upon our commerce in the West Indies.

Mr. N. was far from believing that our armed vessels had produced the

effect which the committee, who reported this bill, stated them to have

done. He thought the gentleman from Pennsylvania had adduced many

sufficient reasons for the fall which had taken place in the price of

insurance, independent of our navy; and that, therefore, the committee

were wholly mistaken that the advantages already derived from our navy

have exceeded the cost of it; and that, if it had been established

several years ago, it would have proved a great saving to the United

States.

Mr. N. confessed he had always been opposed to a naval force for the

purpose of warring with European nations, and whether the force now

proposed is considered as necessary for defence or offence, it must have

that character. The propriety of a naval force for this purpose never

appeared to him in a questionable point of view; he thought every

consideration of policy and interest forbids it. We are well informed,

said he, by the best historians, that the British navy has been the

means of sinking that nation to its present state; for he could not

admire, like the gentleman from South Carolina, the splendor and

prosperity of a nation, which is brought into such a situation as to

render it doubtful whether it can exist for a day, a month, or any other

period. If the navy of Great Britain, then, commenced under different

circumstances from those in which we are placed--which, according to the

gentleman from South Carolina, was not only for the protection of her

commerce, but as a defence against neighboring nations, and to guard

against the worst revolutionary principles--has nearly ruined that

country by the immense sums necessary for its support, shall we, who,

according also to the confession of that gentleman, have nothing to fear

from European nations--[Mr. HARPER interrupted Mr. N. to deny that he

had said we had nothing to fear from Europe. He had said we had nothing

to fear but from the sea.] Mr. N. said this was the way in which he

understood the gentleman, and that no danger exists of any invasion by a

land force. If this is the case, the use to which a navy can be put will

only be to defend our commerce from cruisers, and passing fleets. We

have not, therefore, half the inducements to the establishment of a navy

which influence European nations, and many powerful reasons against such

a force.

The European nations have, most of them, distant colonies, which they

have to protect, and with which they have to keep up a constant

communication across the ocean, which renders a navy in some degree

necessary. But all the European nations commenced their navies under the

delusion that a small force would only be necessary, and that one or two

ships would give them an ascendency over other nations. Can we expect

this, said Mr. N.? No; we begin the business with fewer inducements than

any other nation ever begun a navy, and without necessity; for it is

acknowledged we have nothing now to apprehend from invasion, (and if we

had, this force could not be provided in time,) we have no colonies to

protect, and no intercourse which calls for a naval force.

We cannot, therefore, said Mr. N., embark in this business with the same

motives which influenced all European nations in establishments of this

kind. They built small navies because they would be equal to cope with

the small navies of their neighbors; but we are about to begin the

business with a navy staring us in the face, the most formidable that

any man could suppose to exist. According to his colleague, the British

have 140 sail-of-the-line; and yet our navy is undertaken with the

avowed purpose of keeping her, as well as the other nations of Europe,

in check. Mr. N. asked whether we could ever hope to succeed in a plan

of this kind? We certainly could not, since Great Britain would always

even in war have more than a sufficient force to meet all the ships

which we can build. Besides, if our situation, as gentlemen say, will

make a small force so operative in our hands in time of European wars,

will not our possessing it be sufficient to produce war with Great

Britain, when it is always a sufficient cause for war, in the opinion of

Great Britain, for any other maritime power to put a few more ships in

commission than their ordinary establishment? And, if Congress were to

order the building of fifty ships, it would only increase the certainty

of this effect. How is a naval force to guard us, which Great Britain

can destroy, whenever she pleases, even in time of war? For she has

frequently ships sufficient on our coast to destroy all the vessels

which are contemplated to be built. In short, this navy will be the

means of keeping this country in continual broils. On the first

appearance of arming any additional vessels on the part of Great

Britain, for whatever cause, we must set on foot a negotiation to

combine the other powers of Europe in our favor; and this country will

become the centre of intrigue and tricks for the agents of every

country.

But the gentleman from South Carolina says, this is the cheapest mode of

defence; but does the gentleman prove this? Can he prove that

£10,000,000 sterling is only the third part of the expense of defence,

as he says? Does he not recollect how much of the revenue of that

country goes to pay the interest of their enormous debt, and, therefore,

cannot be considered as a part of the expenditure for defence? The

gentleman will find, on reflection, he is much mistaken in his

calculation in this respect. The gentleman from South Carolina has been

loud in his encomiums on the British navy, on account of its usefulness

to the world; and he calls the calculation of the gentleman from

Pennsylvania, relative to the expenses of a navy, a paltry, schoolboy

calculation, because it has not taken into view this usefulness. That

gentleman, said Mr. N., only referred to the British navy so far as it

was useful in the way gentlemen say they expect ours to be advantageous.

But from the contradictions which the gentleman from South Carolina

seemed to run into on this subject, he did believe that he had not an

eye to a navy, merely for the defence of our commerce; he appeared to

wish that this country should take a stand like that of Great Britain,

that the safety of the world may, at a future day, depend upon us, as

it now does upon Great Britain. Mr. N. believed the ambition of this

country, the pride of its Government, and naval commanders, will all

operate this way; and we may, one day or other, if we proceed with this

navy scheme, be as aspiring, as domineering, as any other nation in the

world, and by this means be embroiled in continual war, and be saddled

with a debt equal to that of Great Britain.

Mr. N. believed there existed no good reason for going into the

establishment of a navy at all, because he believed it would never be

really useful to this country; but if it should be otherwise determined

by a majority of Congress, this, he thought, of all times the most

improper to commence the work.

Mr. J. WILLIAMS then moved to strike out what relates to 18-gun vessels,

on the ground that the thirty-nine small vessels which we have are

sufficient. The motion was negatived without a division.

Mr. J. PARKER proposed filling up the blanks in the section fixing the

pay of captains in the Navy, with an advance from $75 to $100 per month

to captains of 74's, and others in proportion; except the masters of

vessels under 20 guns, which were proposed to be lowered.

Some objection, however, being made to this, and particularly to the

mode of doing the business, this being the first time that the subject

had been before the House, the section was moved to be struck out, and

carried.

The committee then rose, and the House having concurred in the amendment

reported,

Mr. NICHOLAS renewed the motion for striking out the 74-gun ships, and

called the yeas and nays upon it. They were taken and stood, yeas 40,

nays 54, as follows:

YEAS.--Abraham Baldwin, David Bard, Richard Brent, Robert

Brown, Samuel J. Cabell, Thomas Claiborne, William Charles,

Cole Claiborne, John Clopton, John Dawson, Joseph

Eggleston, Lucas Elmendorph, William Findlay, John Fowler,

Albert Gallatin, James Gillespie, Andrew Gregg, John A.

Hanna, Carter B. Harrison, Jonathan N. Havens, Joseph

Heister, David Holmes, Walter Jones, Edward Livingston,

Matthew Locke, Nathaniel Macon, Blair McClenachan, Joseph

McDowell, Anthony New, John Nicholas, Thompson J. Skinner,

William Smith, Richard Sprigg, Richard Stanford, Thomas

Sumter, Abram Trigg, John Trigg, Philip Van Cortlandt,

Joseph B. Varnum, Abraham Venable, and Robert Williams.

NAYS.--John Allen, George Baer, jun., Bailey Bartlett,

James A. Bayard, Jonathan Brace, David Brooks, Stephen

Bullock, Christopher G. Champlin, James Cochran, William

Craik, Samuel W. Dana, John Dennis, George Dent, William

Edmond, Thomas Evans, Abiel Foster, Dwight Foster, Jonathan

Freeman, Henry Glenn, Chauncey Goodrich, William Gordon,

Roger Griswold, William Barry Grove, Robert Goodloe Harper,

Thomas Hartley, William Hindman, Hezekiah L. Hosmer, James

H. Imlay, John Wilkes Kittera, Samuel Lyman, James Machir,

William Matthews, Daniel Morgan, Lewis R. Morris, Harrison

G. Otis, Isaac Parker, Josiah Parker, Thomas Pinckney, John

Read, John Rutledge, jun., James Schureman, Samuel Sewall,

Thomas Sinnickson, Samuel Smith, Richard Dobbs Spaight,

Peleg Sprague, George Thatcher, Richard Thomas, Mark

Thompson, Thomas Tillinghast, John E. Van Alen, Peleg

Wadsworth, Robert Waln, and John Williams.

The bill was then ordered to be engrossed for a third reading [and

passed by the same vote].[44]

THURSDAY, February 14.

_Relations with France._

Mr. LIVINGSTON called up for consideration the resolution which he

yesterday laid upon the table, calling upon the PRESIDENT for any

information which he may possess touching the suspension of the French

arrêt, declaring neutral citizens pirates when found on board the

vessels of belligerent powers; which being read,

Mr. L. called the yeas and nays upon it. He said he understood that,

since yesterday, a member of this House had applied at the office of the

Secretary of State, and had been informed that some information had been

received relative to this subject. Perhaps the gentleman would himself

state to the House what he had learned from that office.

Mr. HARPER said, he had only to state, that he had made inquiry at the

office of the Secretary of State, and had been informed that a letter

had been received from our Minister in London, enclosing an extract from

the _Redacteur_ (supposed to be an official French paper) stating that

the Executive Directory had suspended the edict in question. This

extract, he understood, does not state the reason of this suspension;

but our Minister writes it was owing to a threat of the British

Government to retaliate upon French citizens within their power.

The yeas and nays were taken, and stood--52 to 38.

_Naval Pay._

On motion of Mr. JOSIAH PARKER, the House resolved itself into a

Committee of the Whole, on the bill fixing the pay of captains of ships

and vessels of the United States; and after some amendments, the bill

was reported, and ordered to be engrossed for a third reading.

[This bill provides "that all vessels in the service of the United

States, mounting 20 guns and upward, be commanded by captains; those not

exceeding 18 guns (except galleys, which are to be commanded as

heretofore provided by law,) by masters or lieutenants, according to the

size of the vessel, to be regulated by the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES; that the pay of a captain, commanding ships of 32 guns and

upward, be $100 dollars per month, and eight rations per day; of

captains, commanding ships of 20 and under 32 guns, $75 a month, and six

rations a day; of a master-commandant, $60 per month, and five rations

per day; and of lieutenants who may command the smaller vessels, $50

dollars per month, and four rations per day; that whenever any officer

as aforesaid shall be employed in the command of a squadron, in separate

service, the allowance of rations to such commanding officer shall be

doubled during the continuance of such command, and no longer, except in

case of a commanding officer of the Navy, whose allowance, while in

service, shall always be at the rate of sixteen rations per day."]

FRIDAY, February 8.

_Relations with France._

The following Message was received from the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES:

_Gentlemen of the House of Representatives_:

In pursuance of the request, in your resolve of yesterday,

I lay before you such information as I have received,

touching a suspension of the arrêt of the French Republic,

communicated to your House by my Message of the 28th of

January last. But if the execution of that arrêt be

suspended, or even if it were repealed, it should be

remembered that the arrêt of the Executive Directory of the

2d of March, 1797, remains in force, the third article of

which subjects explicitly and exclusively American seamen

to be treated as pirates, if found on board ships of the

enemies of France.

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