I am trying to feel my way through the most difficult problem, the

most difficult situation that a responsible Government can have to

face. Of course, I am dependent upon information. But as I read it,

as I listen to serious Indian experts with large experience, it all

sounds estrangement and alienation even though it be no worse than

superficial. Now that is the problem that we have to deal with.

Gentlemen, I should very badly repay your kindness in asking me to

come among you to-night, if I were to attempt for a minute to analyse

or to prove all the conditions that have led to this state of things.

It would need hours and days. This is not, I think, the occasion, nor

the moment. Our first duty--the first duty of any Government--is to

keep order. But just remember this. It would be idle to deny, and I am

not sure that any of you gentlemen would deny, that there is at this

moment, and there has been for some little time past, and very likely

there will be for some time to come, a living movement in the mind of

the peoples for whom you are responsible. A living movement, and a

movement for what? A movement for objects which we ourselves have all

taught them to think desirable objects. And unless we somehow or other

can reconcile order with satisfaction of those ideas and aspirations,

gentlemen, the fault will not be theirs. It will be ours. It will mark

the breakdown of what has never yet broken down in any part of the

world--the breakdown of British statesmanship. That is what it will

do. Now I do not believe anybody--either in this room or out of this

room--believes that we can now enter upon an era of pure repression.

You cannot enter at this date and with English public opinion, mind

you, watching you, upon an era of pure repression, and I do not

believe really that anybody desires any such thing. I do not believe

so. Gentlemen, we have seen attempts, in the lifetime of some of us

here to-night, attempts in Continental Europe, to govern by pure

repression. Has one of them really succeeded? They have all failed.

There may be now and again a spurious semblance of success, but in

truth they have all failed. Whether we with our enormous power and

resolution should fail, I do not know. But I do not believe anybody

in this room representing so powerfully as you do dominant sentiments

that are not always felt in England--that in this room there is

anybody who is for an era of pure repression. Gentlemen, I would just

digress for a moment if I am not tiring you. ("Go on,") About the same

time as the transfer, about fifty years ago, of the Government of

India from the old East India Company to the Crown, another very

important step was taken, a step which I have often thought since

I have been concerned with the Government of India was far more

momentous, one almost deeper than the transfer to the Crown. And what

do you think that was? That was the first establishment--I think I

am right in my date--of Universities. We in this country are so

accustomed to look upon political changes as the only important

changes, that we very often forget such a change as the establishment

of Universities. And if any of you are inclined to prophesy, I should

like to read to you something that was written by that great and

famous man, Lord Macaulay, in the year 1836, long before the

Universities were thought of. What did he say? What a warning it is,

gentlemen. He wrote, in the year 1836:--"At the single town of Hooghly

1,400 boys are learning English. The effect of this education on the

Hindus is prodigious.... It is my firm belief that if our plans of

education are followed up, there will not be a single idolater among

the respectable classes in Bengal thirty years hence. And this will be

effected merely by the natural operation of knowledge and reflection."

Ah, gentlemen, the natural operation of knowledge and reflection

carries men of a different structure of mind, different beliefs,

different habits and customs of life--it carries them into strange and

unexpected paths. I am not going to embark you to-night upon these

vast controversies, but when we talk about education, are we not

getting very near the root of the case? Now to-night we are not in the

humour--I am sure you are not, I certainly am not--for philosophising.

Somebody is glad of it. I will tell you what I think of--as I have for

a good many months past--I think first of the burden of responsibility

weighing on the governing men at Calcutta and Simla and the other main

centres of power and of labour. We think of the anxieties of those in

India, and in England as well, who have relatives in remote places and

under conditions that are very familiar to you all. I have a great

admiration for the self-command, for the freedom from anything

like panic, which has hitherto marked the attitude of the European

population of Calcutta and some other places, and I confess I have

said to myself that if they had found here, in London, bombs in the

railway carriages, bombs under the Prime Minister's House, and so

forth, we should have had tremendous scare headlines and all the other

phenomena of excitement and panic. So far as I am informed, though

very serious in Calcutta--the feeling is serious, how could it be

anything else?--they have exercised the great and noble virtue, in all

ranks and classes, of self-command. Now the Government--if you will

allow me for a very few moments to say a word on behalf of the

Government, not here alone but at Simla--we and they, for after all we

are one--have been assailed for a certain want of courage and what is

called, often grossly miscalled, vigour.

We were told the other day--and this brings us to the root of

policy--that there had been a momentary flash of courage in the

Government, a momentary flash of courage when the Government of India

and we here assented to the deportation of two men, and it is made a

matter of complaint that they were released immediately. Well, they

were not released immediately, but after six or eight months--I forget

exactly how many months--of detention. They were there with no charge,

no trial, nor intention of bringing them to trial. How long were we to

keep them there? Not a day, I answer, nor one hour, after the specific

and particular mischief, with a view to which this drastic proceeding

was adopted, had abated. Specific mischief, mind you. I will not go

into that argument to-night: another day I will. I will only say one

thing. To strain the meaning and the spirit of an exceptional law like

the old Regulation of the year 1818 in such a fashion as this,

what would it do? Such a strain, pressed upon us in the perverse

imagination of headstrong men, is no better than a suggestion for

provoking lawless and criminal reprisals. ("No.") You may not agree

with me. You are kindly allowing me as your guest to say things with

which perhaps you do not agree. (Cries of "Go on.") After all, we

understand one another--we speak the same language, and I tell you

that a proceeding of that kind, indefinite detention, is a thing that

would not be endured in this country. (A voice of "Disorder.") Yes, if

there were great and clear connection between the detention and the

outbreak of disorder, certainly; but as the disorder had abated it

would have been intolerable for us to continue the incarceration.

Last Monday, what is called a Press Act, was passed by the Government

of India, in connection with, and simultaneously with, an Explosives

Act which ought to have been passed, I should think, twenty years ago.

What is the purport of the Press Act? I do not attempt to give it

in technical language. Where the Local Government finds a newspaper

article inciting to murder and violence, or resort to explosives for

the purposes of murder or violence, that Local Government may apply to

a Magistrate of a certain status to issue an order for the seizure of

the Press by which that incitement has been printed; and if the owner

of the Press feels himself aggrieved, he may within fifteen days ask

the High Court to reverse the order, and direct the restoration of the

Press. That is a statement of the law that has been passed in India,

and to which I do not doubt we shall give our assent. There has been

the usual outcry raised--usual in all these cases. Certain people say,

"Oh, you are too late." Others say, "You are too early." I will say to

you first of all, and to any other audience afterwards, that I have no

apology to make for being a party to the passing of this law now; and

I have no apology to make for not passing it before. I do not believe

in short cuts, and I believe that the Government in these difficult

circumstances is wise not to be in too great a hurry. I have no

apology to make for introducing executive action into what would

normally be a judicial process. Neither, on the other hand, have I any

apology to make for tempering executive action with judicial elements;

and I am very glad to say that an evening newspaper last night, which

is not of the politics to which I belong, entirely approves of that.

It says: "You must show that you are not afraid of referring your

semi-executive, semi-judicial action to the High Court." This Act

meddles with no criticism, however strong, of Government measures. It

discourages the advocacy of no practical policy, social, political, or

economic. Yet I see, to my great regret and astonishment, that this

Act is described as an Act for judging cases of seditious libel

without a Jury. It is contended by some--and I respect the

contention--that the Imperial Parliament ought to have been consulted

before this Act was passed, and ought to be consulted now. (Cries

of "No, no.") My veteran friends lived before the days of household

suffrage. Well, it is said that the voice of Parliament ought to

be heard in so grave a matter as this. But the principles of the

proposals were fully considered, as was quite right, not only by the

Secretary of State in Council, but by the Cabinet. It was a matter of

public urgency. I stand by it. But it is perfectly natural to ask:

Should the Imperial Parliament have no voice? I have directed the

Government of India to report to the Secretary of State all the

proceedings taken under this Act; and I undertake, as long as I hold

the office of Secretary of State, to present to Parliament from time

to time the reports of the proceedings taken under this somewhat

drastic Act.

When I am told that an Act of this kind is a restriction on the

freedom of the Press, I do not accept it for a moment. I do not

believe that there is a man in England who is more jealous of the

freedom of the Press than I am. But let us see what we mean. It is

said, "Oh, these incendiary articles"--for they are incendiary and

murderous--"are mere froth." Yes, they are froth; but they are

froth stained with bloodshed. When you have men admitting that they

deliberately write these articles and promote these newspapers with

a view of furthering murderous action, to talk of the freedom of the

Press in connection with that is wicked moonshine. We have now got a

very Radical House of Commons. So much, the better for you. If I were

still a member of the House of Commons, I should not mind for a moment

going down to the House--and I am sure that my colleagues will not

mind--to say that when you find these articles on the avowal of those

concerned, expressly designed to promote murderous action, and when

you find as a fact that murderous action has come about, it is

moonshine to talk of the freedom of the Press. There is no use in

indulging in heroics. They are not wanted. But an incendiary article

is part and parcel of the murderous act. You may put picric acid in

the ink and pen, just as much as in any steel bomb. I have one or two

extracts here with which I will not trouble you. But when I am

told that we should recognise it as one of the chief aims of good

Government that there may be as much public discussion as possible, I

read that sentence with proper edification; and then I turn to what I

had telegraphed for from India--extracts from _Yugantar_. To talk of

public discussion in connection with mischief of that kind is really

pushing things intolerably far.

I will not be in a hurry to believe that there is not a great body

in India of reasonable people, not only among the quiet, humble,

law-abiding classes, but among the educated classes. I do not care

what they call themselves, or what organisation they may form

themselves into. But I will not be in a hurry to believe that there

are no such people and that we can never depend on them. When we

believe this--that we have no body of organised, reasonable people

on our side in India--when you gentlemen who know the country, say

this--then I say that, on the day when we believe that, we shall

be confronted with as awkward, as embarrassing, and as hazardous a

situation as has ever confronted the rulers of any of the most complex

and gigantic States in human history. I am confident that if the

crisis comes, it will find us ready, but let us keep our minds clear

in advance. There have been many dark and ugly moments--see gentlemen

around me who have gone through dark and ugly dates--in our relations

with India before now. We have a clouded moment before us now. We

shall get through it--but only with self-command and without any

quackery or cant whether it be the quackery of blind violence

disguised as love of order, or the cant of unsound and misapplied

sentiment, divorced from knowledge and untouched by any cool

consideration of the facts.

V

ON PROPOSED REFORMS

(HOUSE OF LORDS. DECEMBER 17, 1908)

I feel that I owe a very sincere apology to the House for the

disturbance in the business arrangements of the House, of which I have

been the cause, though the innocent cause. It has been said that in

the delays in bringing forward this subject, I have been anxious to

burke discussion. That is not in the least true. The reasons that made

it seem desirable to me that the discussion on this most important and

far-reaching range of topics should be postponed, were--I believe the

House will agree with me--reasons of common sense. In the first place,

discussion without anybody having seen the Papers to be discussed,

would evidently have been ineffective. In the second place it would

have been impossible to discuss those Papers with good effect--the

Papers that I am going this afternoon to present to Parliament--until

we know, at all events in some degree, what their reception has been

in the country most immediately concerned. And then thirdly, my

Lords, I cannot but apprehend that discussion here--I mean in

Parliament--would be calculated to prejudice the reception in India

of the proposals that His Majesty's Government, in concert with the

Government of India, are now making. My Lords, I submit those are

three very essential reasons why discussion in my view, and I hope

in the view of this House, was to be deprecated. This afternoon your

Lordships will be presented with a very modest Blue-book of 100 or 150

pages, but I should like to promise noble Lords that to-morrow morning

there will be ready for them a series of Papers on the same subject,

of a size so enormous that the most voracious or even carnivorous

appetite for Blue-books will have ample food for augmenting the joys

of the Christmas holidays.

The observations that I shall ask your Lordships to allow me to make,

are the opening of a very important chapter in the history of the

relations of Great Britain and India; and I shall ask the indulgence

of the House if I take a little time, not so much in dissecting the

contents of the Papers, which the House will be able to do for itself

by and by, as in indicating the general spirit that animates His

Majesty's Government here, and my noble friend the Governor-General,

in making the proposals that I shall in a moment describe. I suppose,

like other Secretaries of State for India, I found my first, idea

was to have what they used to have in the old days--a Parliamentary

Committee to inquire into Indian Government. I see that a predecessor

of mine in the India Office, Lord Randolph Churchill--he was there for

too short a time--in 1885 had very strongly conceived that idea. On

the whole I think there is a great deal at the present day to be said

against it.

Therefore what we have done was in concert with the Government of

India, first to open a chapter of constitutional reform, of which I

will speak in a moment, and next to appoint a Royal Commission to

inquire into the internal relations between the

Government of India and all its subordinate and co-ordinate parts.

That Commission will report, I believe, in February or March

next,--February, I hope,--and that again will involve the Government

of India and the India Office in Whitehall in pretty laborious and

careful inquiries. It cannot be expected--and it ought not to be

expected--that an Act passed as the organic Act of 1858 was passed,

amidst intense excitement and most disturbing circumstances, should

have been in existence for half a century without disclosing flaws

and imperfections, or that its operations would not be the better for

supervision, or incapable of improvement.

I spoke of delay in these observations, and unfortunately delay has

not made the skies any brighter. But, my Lords, do not let us make

the Indian sky cloudier than it really is. Do not let us consider the

clouds to be darker than they really are. Let me invite your Lordships

to look at the formidable difficulties that now encumber us in India,

with a due sense of proportion.

What is the state of things as it appears to persons of authority and

of ample knowledge in India? One very important and well-known friend

of mine in India says this--

"The anarchists are few, but, on the other hand, they are apparently

prepared to go any length and to run any risk. It must also be borne

in mind that the ordinary man or lad in India has not too much

courage, and that the loyal are terrorised by the ruthless

extremists."

It is a curious incident that on the very day before the attempt to

assassinate Sir Andrew Fraser was made, he had a reception in the

college where the would-be assassin was educated, and his reception

was of the most enthusiastic and spontaneous kind. I only mention

that, to show the curious and subtle atmosphere in which things now

are at Calcutta. I will not dwell on that, because although I have a

mass of material, this is not the occasion for developing it. I will

only add this from a correspondent of great authority--

"There is no fear of anything in the nature of a rising, but if

murders continue, a general panic may arise and greatly increase

the danger of the situation. We cannot hope that any machinery will

completely stop outrages at once. We must be prepared to meet them.

There are growing indications that the native population itself is

alarmed, and that we shall have the strong support of native public

opinion."

The view of important persons in the Government of India is that in

substance the position of our Government in India is as sound and as

well-founded as it has ever been.

I shall be asked, has not the Government of India been obliged to pass

a measure introducing pretty drastic machinery? That is quite

true, and I, for one, have no fault whatever to find with them for

introducing such machinery and for taking that step. On the contrary,

my Lords, I wholly approve, and I share, of course, to the full the

responsibility for it. I understand that I am exposed to some obloquy

on this account--I am charged with inconsistency. That is a matter

on which I am very well able to take care of myself, and I should be

ashamed to detain your Lordships for one single moment in arguing

about it. Quite early after my coming to the India Office, pressure

was put on me to repeal the Regulation of 1818, under which men are

now being summarily detained without trial and without charge,

and without intention to try or to charge. That, of course, is a

tremendous power to place in the hands of an Executive Government. But

I said to myself then, and I say now, that I decline to take out of

the hands of the Government of India any weapon that they have got, in

circumstances so formidable, so obscure, and so impenetrable as are

the circumstances that surround British Government in India.

There are two paths of folly in these matters. One is to regard all

Indian matters, Indian procedure and Indian policy, as if it were

Great Britain or Ireland, and to insist that all the robes and apparel

that suit Great Britain or Ireland must necessarily suit India. The

other is to think that all you have got to do is what I see suggested,

to my amazement, in English print--to blow a certain number of men

from guns, and then your business will be done. Either of these paths

of folly leads to as great disaster as the other. I would like to

say this about the Summary Jurisdiction Bill--I have no illusions

whatever. I do not ignore, and I do not believe that Lord Lansdowne

opposite, or anyone else can ignore, the frightful risks involved in

transferring in any form or degree what should be the ordinary power

under the law, to arbitrary personal discretion. I am alive, too, to

the temptation under summary procedure of various kinds, to the danger

of mistaking a headstrong exercise of force for energy. Again, I do

not for an instant forget, and I hope those who so loudly applaud

legislation of this kind do not forget, the tremendous price that you

pay for all operations of this sort in the reaction and the excitement

that they provoke. If there is a man who knows all these drawbacks

I think I am he. But there are situations in which a responsible

Government is compelled to run these risks and to pay this possible

price, however high it may appear to be.

It is like war, a hateful thing, from which, however, some of the most

ardent lovers of peace, and some of those rulers of the world whose

names the most ardent lovers of peace most honour and revere--it is

one of the things from which these men have not shrunk. The only

question for us is whether there is such a situation in India to-day

as to warrant the passing of the Act the other day, and to justify

resort to the Regulation of 1818. I cannot imagine anybody reading the

speeches--especially the unexaggerated remarks of the Viceroy--and the

list of crimes perpetrated, and attempted, that were read out last

Friday in Calcutta--I cannot imagine that anybody reading that list

and thinking what they stand for, would doubt for a single moment that

summary procedure of some kind or another was justified and called

for. I discern a tendency to criticise this legislation on grounds

that strike me as extraordinary. After all, it is not our fault that

we have had to bring in this measure. You must protect the lives of

your officers. You must protect peaceful and harmless people, both

Indian and European, from the blood-stained havoc of anarchic

conspiracy. We deplore the necessity, but we are bound to face the

facts. I myself recognise this necessity with infinite regret, and

with something, perhaps, rather deeper than regret. But it is not

the Government, either here or in India, who are the authors of this

necessity, and I should not at all mind, if it is not impertinent and

unbecoming in me to say so, standing up in another place and saying

exactly what I say here, that I approve of these proceedings and will

do my best to support the Government of India.

Now a very important question arises, for which I would for a moment

ask the close attention of your Lordships, because I am sure that both

here and elsewhere it will be argued that the necessity, and the facts

that caused the necessity, of bringing forward strong repressive

machinery should arrest our policy of reforms. That has been stated,

and I dare say many people will assent to it. Well, the Government of

India and myself have from the very first beginning of this unsettled

state of things, never varied in our determination to persevere in the

policy of reform.

I put two plain questions to your Lordships. I am sick of all the

retrograde commonplaces about the weakness of concession to violence

and so on. Persevering in our plan of reform is not a concession to

violence. Reforms that we have publicly announced, adopted, and worked

out for more than two years--how is it a concession to violence, to

persist in those reforms? It is simply standing to your guns. A number

of gentlemen, of whom I wish to speak with all respect, addressed a

very courteous letter to me the other day that appeared in the public

prints, exhorting me to remember that Oriental countries inevitably

and invariably interpret kindness as fear. I do not believe it. The

Founder of Christianity arose in an Oriental country, and when I am

told that Orientals always mistake kindness for fear, I must repeat

that I do not believe it, any more than I believe the stranger saying

of Carlyle, that after all the fundamental question between any two

human beings is--Can I kill thee, or canst thou kill me? I do not

agree that any organised society has ever subsisted upon either of

those principles, or that brutality is always present as a fundamental

postulate in the relations between rulers and ruled.

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