I should think not indeed, he said.

And if your father and mother love you, and desire that you should

be happy, no one can doubt that they are very ready to promote your

happiness.

Certainly, he replied.

And do they then permit you to do what you like, and never rebuke you or

hinder you from doing what you desire?

Yes, indeed, Socrates; there are a great many things which they hinder

me from doing.

What do you mean? I said. Do they want you to be happy, and yet hinder

you from doing what you like? for example, if you want to mount one

of your father's chariots, and take the reins at a race, they will not

allow you to do so--they will prevent you?

Certainly, he said, they will not allow me to do so.

Whom then will they allow?

There is a charioteer, whom my father pays for driving.

And do they trust a hireling more than you? and may he do what he likes

with the horses? and do they pay him for this?

They do.

But I dare say that you may take the whip and guide the mule-cart if you

like;--they will permit that?

Permit me! indeed they will not.

Then, I said, may no one use the whip to the mules?

Yes, he said, the muleteer.

And is he a slave or a free man?

A slave, he said.

And do they esteem a slave of more value than you who are their son? And

do they entrust their property to him rather than to you? and allow him

to do what he likes, when they prohibit you? Answer me now: Are you your

own master, or do they not even allow that?

Nay, he said; of course they do not allow it.

Then you have a master?

Yes, my tutor; there he is.

And is he a slave?

To be sure; he is our slave, he replied.

Surely, I said, this is a strange thing, that a free man should be

governed by a slave. And what does he do with you?

He takes me to my teachers.

You do not mean to say that your teachers also rule over you?

Of course they do.

Then I must say that your father is pleased to inflict many lords and

masters on you. But at any rate when you go home to your mother,

she will let you have your own way, and will not interfere with your

happiness; her wool, or the piece of cloth which she is weaving, are

at your disposal: I am sure that there is nothing to hinder you from

touching her wooden spathe, or her comb, or any other of her spinning

implements.

Nay, Socrates, he replied, laughing; not only does she hinder me, but I

should be beaten if I were to touch one of them.

Well, I said, this is amazing. And did you ever behave ill to your

father or your mother?

No, indeed, he replied.

But why then are they so terribly anxious to prevent you from being

happy, and doing as you like?--keeping you all day long in subjection

to another, and, in a word, doing nothing which you desire; so that you

have no good, as would appear, out of their great possessions, which are

under the control of anybody rather than of you, and have no use of your

own fair person, which is tended and taken care of by another; while

you, Lysis, are master of nobody, and can do nothing?

Why, he said, Socrates, the reason is that I am not of age.

I doubt whether that is the real reason, I said; for I should imagine

that your father Democrates, and your mother, do permit you to do many

things already, and do not wait until you are of age: for example, if

they want anything read or written, you, I presume, would be the first

person in the house who is summoned by them.

Very true.

And you would be allowed to write or read the letters in any order which

you please, or to take up the lyre and tune the notes, and play with the

fingers, or strike with the plectrum, exactly as you please, and neither

father nor mother would interfere with you.

That is true, he said.

Then what can be the reason, Lysis, I said, why they allow you to do the

one and not the other?

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