Interviewer's Comment

This old woman lives in among the white population and rents the house

next to her own to a white family. The lady down at the corner store

said she tells white people, the younger ones, to call her Mrs. Krump.

She didn't pull that on me. She once told this white lady storekeeper

to call her Mrs. No one told me about her, because the lady said they

all know she is impudent talking. She is old, black, wealthy, and

arrogant. I passed her house and spied her.

FOLKLORE SUBJECTS

[HW: Ex-slave, Texarkans Dist.]

Name of Interviewer: Mrs. W. M. Ball

Subject: Folk Tales.

Information given by: Preston Kyles

Place of Residence: 800 Block. Laurel St., Texarkana, Ark.

Occupation: Minister. (Age) 81

[TR: Personal information moved from bottom of form.]

One of the favorite folk songs sung to the children of a half century

ago was "Run Nigger Run, or the Patty Roll Will Get You." Few of the

children of today have ever heard this humorous ditty, and would,

perhaps, be ignorant of its meaning. To the errant negro youths of

slave times, however, this tune had a significant, and sometimes

tragic, meaning. The "patty rolls" were guards hired by the

plantations to keep the slaves from running away. The following story

is told by an ex-slave:

"When I wuz a boy, dere wuz lotsa Indians livin' about six miles frum

de plantation on which I wuz a slave. De Indians allus held a big

dance ever' few months, an' all de niggers would try to attend. On one

ob dese osten'tious occasions about 50 of us niggers conceived de idea

of goin', without gettin' permits frum de Mahster. As soon as it gets

dark, we quietly slips outen de quarters, one by one, so as not to

disturb de guards. Arrivin' at de dance, we jined de festivities wid a

will. Late dat nite one ob de boys wuz goin' down to de spring fo' to

get a drink ob water when he notice somethin' movin' in de bushes.

Gettin' up closah, he look' again when--Lawd hab mersy! Patty rollers!

A whole bunch ob 'em! Breathless, de nigger comes rushin' back, and

broke de sad news. Dem niggers wuz scared 'mos' to death, 'cause dey

knew it would mean 100 lashes for evah las' one ob dem effen dey got

caught. After a hasty consultation, Sammy, de leader, suggested a plan

which wuz agreed on. Goin' into de woods, we cuts several pieces of

grape vine, and stretches it across de pathway, where we knowed de

patty rollers would hab to come, tien' it to trees on both sides. One

ob de niggers den starts down de trail whistlin' so as to 'tract de

patty rollers 'tention, which he sho did, fo' here dey all cum,

runnin' jus' as hard as dey could to keep dem niggers frum gettin'

away. As de patty rollers hit de grape vine, stretched across de

trail, dey jus' piles up in one big heap. While all dis commotion wuz

goin' on, us niggers makes fo' de cotton fiel' nearby, and wends our

way home. We hadn' no more'n got in bed, when de mahster begin

knockin' on de door. "Jim", he yell, "Jim, open up de doah!" Jim gets

up, and opens de doah, an de mahster, wid several more men, comes in

de house. "Wheres all de niggers?" he asks. "Dey's all heah," Jim

says. De boss walks slowly through de house, countin' de niggers, an'

sho' nuf dey wuz all dere. "Mus' hab been Jim Dixon's negroes," he

says finally.

"Yes, suh, Cap'n, dey wuz a lot happen in dem times dat de mahsters

didn't know nuthin' about."

FOLKLORE SUBJECTS

[HW: Ex-slave, Texarkana Dist., 9/5/31]

Name of Interviewer: Cecil Copeland

Subject: Apparition and Will-o'-the-Wisp.

Story--Information:

Information given by: Preston Kyles / Occupation: Minister

Place of Residence: 800 Block, Laurel St., Texarkana, Ark. (Age) 81

[TR: Personal information moved from bottom of form.]

The negro race is peculiarly susceptible to hallucinations. Most any

old negro can recall having had several experiences with "de spirits."

Some of these apparitions were doubtless real, as the citizens during

Reconstruction Days employed various methods in keeping the negro in

subjection. The organizers of the Ku Klux Klan, shortly after the

Civil War, recognized and capitalized on the superstitious nature of

the negro. This weakness in their character doubtless prevented much

bloodshed during this hectic period.

The following is a story as told by a venerable ex-slave in regard to

the "spirits":

"One day, when I wuz a young man, me an' a nigger, by de name ov

Henry, wuz huntin' in an' old field. In dem days bear, deer, turkey,

and squirrels wuz plentiful an' 'twant long befo' we had kilt all we

could carry. As we wuz startin' home some monstrous thing riz up right

smack dab in front ov us, not more'n 100 feet away. I asked Henry:

"Black Boy, does yo' see whut I see?" an' Henry say, "Nigger I hopes

yo' don't see whut I see, 'cause dey ain't no such man." But dere it

stood, wid its sleeves gently flappin' in de wind. Ovah 8 feet tall,

it wuz, an' all dressed in white. I yells at it, "Whut does yo' want?"

but it didn't say nuthin'. I yells some mo' but it jus' stands there,

not movin' a finger. Grabbin' de gun, I takes careful aim an' cracks

down on 'em, but still he don't move. Henry, thinkin' maybe I wuz too

scared to shoot straight, say: "Nigger, gib me dat gun!" I gibs Henry

de gun but it don't take but one shot to convince him dat he ain't

shootin' at any mortal bein'. Throwin' down de gun, Henry say,

"Nigger, lets get away frum dis place," which it sho' didn't take us

long to do."

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Susa Lagrone

25th and Texas Streets, Pine Bluff, Ark.

Age: 79

"I don't know exactly how old I am but I know I was here at surrender.

I was born in Mississippi. I seen the soldiers after they come home.

They camped right there at our gate.

"I think--now I don't know, but I think I was bout six or seven when

they surrendered. I went down to the gate with Miss Sally and the

children. Old mistress' name was Sally Stanton. She was a widow woman.

"I learned to knit durin' the war. They'd give me a task to do, so

much to do a day, and then I'd have all evenin' to play.

"My father was a mechanic. He laid brick and plaster. You know in them

days they plastered the houses. He belonged to old man Frank Scott. He

was such a good worker Mr. Scott would give him all the work he could

after he was free. That was in Mississippi.

"I went to school right smart after freedom. Fore freedom the white

folks learned me my ABC's. My mistress was good and kind to me.

"When we went down to the gate to see the soldiers, I heard Miss Judy

say (she was old mistress' sister), I heard her say, 'Well, you let em

beat you' and started cryin'. I cried too and mama said, 'What you

cryin' for?' I said, 'Miss Judy's cryin'.' Mama said, 'You fool, you

is _free_!' I didn't know what freedom was, but I know the soldiers

did a lot of devilment. Had guards but they just run over them

guards.

"I think Abraham Lincoln wanted to give the people some land after

they was free, but they didn't give em nothin'--just turned em loose.

"Course we ought to be free--you know privilege is worth everything.

"After surrender my mother stayed with old mistress till next year.

She thought there wasn't nobody like my mother. When she got sick old

mistress come six miles every day to see her and brought her things

till she died.

"My mother learned to weave and spin and after we was free the white

folks give her the loom. I know I made a many a yard of cloth after

surrender. My mother was a seamstress and she learned me how to sew.

"I never did hire out--just worked at home. My mother had six boys and

six girls and they're all dead but me and my sister.

"Somebody told me I was twenty-five when I married. Had three

children--all livin'.

"I used to see the white folks lookin' at a map to see where the

soldiers was fightin' and I used to wonder how they could tell just

lookin' at that paper.

"Old mistress said after freedom, 'Now, Susa, I don't want you to

suffer for nothin.' I used to go up there and stay for weeks at a

time.

"I just got down with rheumatism here bout three or four years ago,

and you know it goes hard with me--I always been used to workin' all

my life."

Interviewer: Miss Irene Robertson

Person interviewed: Barney A. Laird

Brinkley, (near Moroe) Arkansas

Age: 79

"I was born in Pinola County, Mississippi. I remembers one time

soldiers come by on all black horses and had a bundle on one shoulder

strapped around under the other arm. They wore blue jackets. Their

horses was trained so they marched good as soldiers. They camped not

far from our house. There was a long string of soldiers. It took them

a long time to go by.

"One time they had a dinner in a sorter grove on a neighbor's farm.

All us children went up there to see if they left anything. We et up

the scraps. I say it was good eating. The fust Yankee crackers I ever

et was there that day. They was fine for a fact.

"Our owner was Dr. Laird. When I come to know anything his wife was

dead but his married daughter lived with him. Her husband's name was

John Balentine. My parents worked in the field and I stayed up at the

house with my old grandpa and grandma. Their house was close to the

white folks. Our houses was about on the farm. Some of the houses was

pole houses, some hewed out. The fireplace in our house burned long

wood and the room what had the fireplace was a great big room. We had

shutters at the windows. The houses was open but pretty stout and

good. We had plenty wood.

"My parents both lived on the same farm. They had seven children. My

mother's name was Caroline and my father's name was Ware A. Laird.

Mother never told us if she was ever sold. Father never was sold. He

never talked much.

"One thing I know is: My wife's pa was sold, Squire Lester, so him and

Adeline could be on the same farm. Them my wife's parents. They never

put him on no block, jes' told him to get his belongings and where to

go. I never seen nobody sold.

"Dr. Laird was good to his darkies. My whole family stayed on his

place till he died. I don't know how long. I don't know if I ever

knowed when freedom come on. We had a hard time durin' the Civil War.

That why I hate to hear about war. The soldiers tore down houses,

burnt houses. They burnt up Dr. Laird's gin. I think it burned some

cotton. They tore down fences and hauled em off to make fires at their

camps. That let the stock out what they maybe did leave an old snag.

Fust cussin' I ever heard done was one of them soldiers. I don't know

what about but he was going at it. I stopped to hear what he saying. I

never heard nobody cuss so much over nothing as ever I found out. They

had cleaned us out. We didn't have much to eat nor wear then. We did

have foe then from what they told us. The old folks got took care of.

That don't happen no more.

"I never seen a Ku Klux. I heard tell of them all my life.

"Dr. Laird was old man and John Balentine was a peaceable man. He

wanted his farm run peaceable. He was kind as could be.

"I been farming all my life. I still be doing it. I do all I can. It

is the young boys' place to take the plough handle--the making a man

out of their young strength. They don't want to do it. Some do and

some won't stay on the farm. Go to town is the cry. I got a wife and

two boys. They got families. They are on the farm. I tell them to

stay.

"I get help from the Welfare if I'm able to come get what they give

me.

"I used to pay my taxes and vote. Now if I have a dollar I have to buy

something to eat. Us darkies satisfied with the best the white folks

can do. Darkies good workers but poor managers is been the way I seen

it all my life. One thing we don't want no wars."

Interviewer: Mrs. Bernice Bowden

Person interviewed: Arey Lamar

612 E. 14th Avenue, Pine Bluff, Arkansas

Age: 78

[Date Stamp: MAY 31 1938]

"Yes'm, I was born in slavery days but I don't know what day. But you

know I been hustlin' 'round here a long time.

"My mother said I was a great big girl when surrender come.

"I was born in Greenville, Mississippi but I was raised down at Lake

Dick.

"I was a servant in Captain Will Nichols' house. I got a cup here now

that was Captain Nichols' cup. Now that was away back there. That's a

slavery time cup. After the handle got broke my mother used it for her

coffee cup.

"My mother's name was Jane Condray. After everything was free, a lot

of us emigrated from the old country to Arkansas. When we come here we

come through Memphis and I know I saw a pair of red shoes and cried

for mama to buy 'em for me, but she wouldn't do it.

"After I was grown and livin' in Little Rock, I bought me a pair of

red shoes. I know I wore 'em once and I got ashamed of 'em and blacked

'em.

"My brother run away when they was goin' to have that Baxter-Brooks

War and ain't been seen since.

"I was the oldest girl and never did get a education, and I hate it. I

learned to work though.

"I don't know 'bout this younger generation. It looks like they're

puttin' the old folks in the background. But I think it's the old

christian people is holdin' the world together today."

Name of Interviewer: Irene Robertson.

Person interviewed: Solomon Lambert,

Holly Grove, Ark., R.F.D.

Age: 89

Subject: EX-SLAVERY

Story:

"My parents belong to Jordon and Judy Lambert. They (the Jordon

family) had a big family. They never was sold. I heard 'em say that.

They hired their slaves out. Some was hired fer a year. From New Year

day to next New Year day. That was a busy day. That was the day to set

in workin' overseers and ridin' bosses set in on New Year day. My

parents' name was Fannie and Ben Lambert. They had eight children.

"How did they marry? They say they jump the broomstick together! But

they had brush brooms so I reckon that whut they jumped. Think the

moster and mistress jes havin' a little fun outen it then. The brooms

the sweep the floor was sage grass cured like hay. It grows four or

five feet tall. They wrap it with string and use that for a handle.

(Illustration-- [TR: not finished] The way they married the man ask

his moster then ask her moster. If they agree it be all right. One of

'em would 'nounce it 'fore all the rest of the folks up at the house

and some times they have ale and cake. If the man want a girl and ther

be another man on that place wanted a wife the mosters would swop the

women mostly. Then one announce they married. That what they call a

double weddin'. Some got passes go see their wife and family 'bout

every Sunday and some other times like Fourth er July. They have a

week ob rest when they lay by the crops and have some time not so busy

to visit Christmas.

"I never seen no Ku Klux. There was Jay Hawkers. They was folks on

neither side jess goin' round, robbin' and stealin', money, silver,

stock or anything else they wanted. We had a prutty good time we have

all the hands on our place at some house and dance. We made our music.

Music is natur'l wid our color. They most all had a juice (Jew's)

harp. They make the fiddle and banjo. White folks had big times too.

They had mo big gatherins than they have now. They send me to Indian

Bay once or twice a week to get the mail. I had no money. They give my

father little money long and give him some 'bout Christmas. White

folks send their darkies wid a order to buy things. I never seen a big

town till I started on that run to Texas. They took the men 450 miles

to Indian Nation to make a crop. We went in May and came back in

October. They hired us out. Mr. Jo Lambert and Mr. Beasley took us.

One of 'em come back and got us. That kept us from goin' to war. They

left the women, children and old men, too old fer war.

"How'd I know 'bout war? That was the big thing they talk 'bout. See

'em. The first I seen was when I was shuckin' corn at the corn pin

(crib) a man come up in gray clothes. (He was a spy). The way he talk

you think he a southern man 'cept his speech was hard and short. I

noticed that to begin wid. They thought other rebels in the corn pin

but they wasn't. Wasn't nobody out there but me. Then here come a man

in blue uniform. After while here come the regiment. It did scare me.

Bob and Tom (white boys) Lambert gone to war then. They fooled round a

while then they galloped off. I show was glad when the last man rid

off!

Moster Lambert then hid the slaves in the bottoms. We carried

provisions and they sent more'long. We stay two or three days or a

week when they hear a regiment comin' through or hear 'bout a scoutin

gang comin' through. They would come one road and go back another

road. We didn't care if they hid us. We hear the guns. We didn't

wanter go down there. That was white man's war. In 1862 and 1863 they

slipped off every man and one woman to Helena. I was yokin' up oxen.

Man come up in rebel clothes. He was a spy. I thought I was gone then

but and a guard whut I didn't see till he left went on. I dodged round

till one day I had to get off to mill. The Yankees run up on me and

took me on. I was fifteen years old. I was mustered in August and let

out in 1864 when it was over. I was in the Yankee army 14 months. They

told me when I left I made a good soldier. I was with the standing

army at Helena. They had a battle before I went in. I heard them say.

You could tell that from the roar and cannons. They had it when I was

in Texas. I wasn't in a battle. The Yankees begin to get slim then

they made the darkies fill up and put them in front. I heard 'em say

they had one mighty big battle at Helena. I had to drill and guard the

camps and guard at the pickets (roads into Helena). They never let me

go scoutin'. I walked home from the army. I was glad to get out. I

expected to get shot 'bout all the time. I aint seen but mighty little

difference since freedom. I went back and stayed 45 years on the

Lambert place. I moved to Duncan. Moster died foe the Civil War. Some

men raised dogs-hounds. If something got wrong they go get the dogs

and use 'em. If some of the slaves try to run off they hunt them with

the dogs. It was a big loss when a hand run off they couldn't ford

that thing. They whoop 'em mostly fer stealin'. They trust 'em in

everything then they whoop 'em if they steal. They know it wrong.

Course they did. The worse thing I ever seen in slavery was when we

went to Texas we camped close to Camden. Camden, Arkansas! On the way

down there we passed by a big house, some kind. I seen mighty little

of it but a big yard was pailened in. It was tall and fixed so they

couldn't get out. They opened the big gate and let us see. It was full

of darkies. All sizes. All ages. That was a _Nigger Trader Yard_ the

worst thing I ever seen or heard tell of in my life. I heard 'em say

they would cry 'em off certain times but you could buy one or two any

time jes by agreement. I nearly fell out wid slavery then. I studied

'bout that heap since then. I never seen no cruelty if a man work and

do right on my moster's place he be honored by both black and white.

Foe moster died I was 9 year old, I heard him say I valued at $900.00.

I never was sold.

"When I was small I minded the calves when they milk, pick up chips to

dry fer to start fires, then I picked up nuts, helped feed the stock,

learned all I could how to do things 'bout the place. We thought we

owned the place. I was happy as a bird. I didn't know no better than

it was mine. All the home I ever knowed. I tell you it was a good

home. Good as ever had since. It was thiser way yo mama's home is your

home. Well my moster's home was my home like dat.

"We et up at the house in the kitchen. We eat at the darkey houses. It

make no diffurence--one house clean as the other. It haft to be so.

They would whoop you foe your nasty habits quick as anything and

quicker. Had plenty clothes and plenty to eat. Folk's clothes made

outer more lastin' cloth than now. They last longer and didn't always

be gettin' more new ones. They washed down at the spring. The little

darkies get in (tubs) soon as they hang out the clothes on the ropes

and bushes. The suds be warm, little darkies race to get washed. Folks

raced to get through jobs then and have fun all time.

"Foe I jined the Yankees I had hoed and I had picked cotton. Moster

Lambert didn't work the little darkies hard to to stunt them. See how

big I am? I been well cared fur and done a sight er work if it piled

up so it could be seen.

(Solomon Lambert is a large well proportioned negro.) In 1870 the

railroad come in here by Holly Grove. That the first I ever seen. The

first cars. They was small.

"I never knowd I oughter recollect what all they talked but she said

they both (mother and father) come from Kentucky to Tennessee, then to

Arkansas in wagons and on boats too I recken. The Lamberts brought

them from Kentucky. For show I can't tell you no more 'bout them. I

heard 'em say they landed at the Bay (Indian Bay).

"Fine reports went out if you jin the army whut all you would get. I

didn't want to be there. I know whut I get soon as ever I got way from

them. Course I was goin' back. I had no other place to go. The

government give out rations at Indian Bay after the war. I didn't need

none. I got plenty to eat. Two or three of us colored folks paid Mr.

Lowe $1.00 a month to teach us at night. We learned to read and

calculate better. I learned to write. We stuck to it right smart

while.

"I been married twice. Joe Yancey (white) married me to my first wife

at the white folks house. The last time Joe Lambert (white) married me

in the church. I had 2 boys they dead now and 1 girl. She is living.

During slavery I had a cart I drove a little mule to. I took a barrel

of water to the field. I got it at the well. I put it close by in the

shade of a tree. Trees was plentiful! Then I took the breakfast and

dinner in my cart. I done whatever come to my lot in Indian Nation.

After the war I made a plowhand. "_Say there_, _from 1864 to 1937 Sol

Lambert farmed._" Course I hauled and cut wood, but my job is farmin'.

I share croppe. I worked fer 1/3 and 1/4 and I have rented. Farmin' is

my talent. That whar all the darkey belong. He is made so. He can

stand the sun and he needs meat to eat. That is where the meat grows.

"I got chickens and a garden. I didn't get the pigs I spoke fer. I got

a fine cow. I got a house--10-1/2 acres of ground. That is all I can

look after. I caint get 'bout much. I rid on a wagon (to town) my mare

is sick I wouldn't work her. I got a buggy. Good nough fer my ridin' I

don't come to town much. I never did.

I get a Federal soldier's pension. I tell you 'bout it. White folks

tole me 'bout it and hope me see 'bout gettin' it. I'm mighty proud of

it. It is a good support for me in my old helpless days. I'm mighty

thankful for it. I'm glad you sent me word to come here I love to help

folks. They so good to me.

"I vote a Republican ticket. I don't vote. I did vote when I was 21

years old. It was stylish then and I voted some since then along. I

don't bother with votin' and I don't know nuthin 'bout how it is done

now. I tried to run my farm and let them hired run the governmint. I

knowed my job like he knowed his job.

I come back to tell you one other thing. My Captain was Edward

Boncrow.

"I told you all I know 'bout slavery less you ask me 'bout somethin' I

might answer: We ask if we could go to white church and they tell us

they wanted certain ones to go today so they could fix up. It was

after the war new churches and schools sprung up. Not fast then.

Prices of slaves run from $1600 to $2000 fer grown to middle age. Old

ones sold low, so did young ones. $1600 was a slow bid. That is whut I

heard.

Name of Interviewer: Martin-Barker

Subject: Ex-Slave

Story--Information (If not enough space on this page add page)

This information given by: Frank Larkin

Place of Residence: RFD #1--Bx. 73

Age --

[TR: Personal information moved from bottom of form.]

I was born a slave, my owner was Mr. Rhodes of Virginia. On a large

plantation, my white folks gave a big to do, and served wine. Had corn

shuckings. Swapped help around harvesting time. I was sold when 6 or 7

years old. Sold to highest bidder. First marster gave my mother to his

white daughter and let her keep me.

I was raised as a house boy. I was always a mean boy. When I was sold

I split another boys head open with an axe. Then I runned off. They

caught me with blood hounds. My master whipped me with a cowhide whip.

He made me take my clothes off and tied me to a tree. He would use the

whip and then take a drink out of a jug and rest awhile, then he would

whip me again.

Sometimes we would set up until midnight pickin' wool. I would get so

sleepy, couldn't hardly pick de wool.

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