Mr. Serjeant _Bompas_. The 9th of November.

Mr. _Kelly_. We shall have no dispute on those facts. That vessel,

purchased under circumstances which will probably appear more clearly

in evidence. It is stated by my friend that Zulueta and Company

purchased the ship; no doubt the house of Zulueta and Company interfered

as agents for the house of Martinez and Company. That vessel was

dispatched from England, and left England in the month of November,

1840. Whatever the prisoner at the bar has done in respect of the

dispatching of that vessel, was done and completed then. The crime, if

he committed any, was completed before the month of November, 1840. That

is the charge upon which he is now on trial. I quite agree that, if

since November, 1840--if instantly he had held any conversation--if he

had written any letter--if he had held any conversation that might be

used against him as evidence of the purpose for which he used and

dispatched that vessel, which he had dispatched in the month of

November, 1840--

Mr. Justice _Maule_. With respect to that portion of the opening of my

Brother Bompas, the question is pretty much the same as with respect to

that mentioned before.

Mr. Serjeant _Bompas_. Will your Lordship just hear how I present it?

Mr. Justice _Maule_. It is open to the same mode of dealing with the

matter depending on the question--whether it is so clear that it will be

admissible, when it comes to be offered in evidence, as that it ought to

be stated. If Brother Bompas proposes to argue that, he may go on now.

Mr. _Kelly_. I am in your Lordships’ hands; it is immaterial to me when

I am heard. I was only going to add, which will go much to the argument,

that on a common civil case, something written, said, or done by another

person in a distant country, some months after the time when he is said

to have committed the offence charged, is no evidence against him. If it

were, Mr. Zulueta might have (as I believe he was), he might, with the

rest of his firm, have been engaged in shipping goods on a lawful

merchandise according to the British laws, in consonance with natural

equity and right, and the character of the transaction might be

completely changed. I can very easily imagine a case in which a British

merchant--nay, a British trader of any kind--may ship a quantity of

muskets to the coast of Africa, or the coast of Spain: nothing can be

more simple than the proposition--a trader may ship a quantity of

muskets to Africa, to Spain, or to France; he receives the goods, and

ships the goods; and now he has done all, and the ship sails; and he may

have died after the shipment; another person possesses himself of those

muskets, and he employs them in war against the Queen of Britain--Is

that to be used in a criminal charge of felony against him? But that is

just the case here. These gentlemen of this house of Zulueta and Company

are concerned in shipping a quantity of goods--I might have taken the

objection whether as principal or agent, but I will not raise that--here

is the ship, and here are the goods; they ship them for the coast of

Africa: the shippers remain in England; they have nothing more to do

with the transaction; the vessel putting in to Cadiz, whether by

previous design or stress of weather I will not say; another person,

over whom the shippers have no more control than they have over the

inhabitants of the kingdom of Spain, give certain orders, which I will

suppose contemplate an illegal object--Are those to be used as evidence

against the shippers here on a charge of felony? My Lord, I have done; I

shall wait until I hear how my learned friend can justify the giving

that in evidence against Mr. Zulueta.

Mr. Serjeant _Bompas_. My Lord, if I had any reasonable doubt that I

could give this in evidence before your Lordships, I conceive I ought

not to interfere with the view your Lordship has thrown out with respect

to the letter I before tendered; but I apprehend there can be no doubt.

I may be mistaken in the view I have taken: I may be wrong.

Mr. Justice _Maule_. Unless you feel it quite material to the case to

state the nature of the evidence you propose to offer, I should think

that in a matter of this kind it might be advisable to abstain from the

statement of it. The circumstances which a learned counsel proposes to

offer in evidence ought to be such as leave no doubt in his mind that he

shall be able to bring them home to the prisoner, or that which is not

ultimately made evidence against the prisoner may make an impression

which is not justified. If you have any doubt that you shall be able to

make this evidence, Mr. Kelly is justified in his objection, and so long

as there is a doubt whether it is admissible, the Court think it is not

fit it should be stated. If in your opinion that is doubtful, you have a

right to be heard; but if you consider this as likely to be a long case,

it will be desirable to abridge it so far as you can, to bring it within

such a compass that it may receive the attention of the jury, and that

time should not be unnecessarily occupied in these discussions.

Mr. Serjeant _Bompas_. Gentlemen, I am always most ready to adopt the

suggestion which the Court are kind enough to hold out. I feel that a

counsel, standing for the prosecution, stands in a somewhat different

situation from another person, and their Lordships, sitting to do

justice, and fairly taking care that if there be a doubt, that doubt

shall be taken for the benefit of those charged with a crime. I feel

that as to the admissibility in evidence, if there is a doubt, it ought

not to be stated to the jury. It is not for me, as counsel for the

prosecution, to say that their admissibility is perfectly certain. It

would be very hard if the view taken by counsel in a criminal

prosecution were not to be regulated by the judgment of the Court. It is

enough that I should state, that, in my opinion, it will be necessary

that these letters should be admitted in evidence, and that you should

direct your attention particularly to them. It will place an additional

obligation on the learned judges at a future stage, if I am not allowed

to call your attention to them, to see that they are so brought before

you as that you should understand them. There is no weight intended to

be given to the evidence beyond that to which it is entitled, but it

will be my duty to bring them fairly to your understandings, when I

tender them, that you may see the bearing of them. The reason of my

offering them in evidence will be given when I do offer them in

evidence. This is not a decision that they are not admissible in

evidence, but that it is better I should not open to you what may leave

an impression which ought not to be made, unless I show that this is

evidence. By the course taken, if this is not evidence, there will be no

impression made. There is no doubt that very great importance to the

prosecution will rest on the decision of this question; it will have a

very great effect in the decision of the question, whether from this

time or not there may be perfect and absolute impunity to any person who

chooses to conduct a trade of this kind, provided only he is not so

unwise as to advertise himself before-hand as a man who has connexion

with the ultimate procedure of the vessel. Gentlemen, at present this

matter is perfectly in debate. I shall offer this to you in evidence,

and then it will be shown how it applies. This vessel, as I was stating

when I mentioned certain things found on board, was captured by Captain

Hill, was carried to Sierra Leone, and from thence brought home to

England, and there was an end of the voyage.

Gentlemen, one material question that you will have to consider when the

case is before you is--What was the object of the destination of the

vessel? For what purpose was the vessel sent to the Gallinas? Was she

sent for the purposes of fair trade, or was she sent to the Gallinas

with goods to be used for the purposes of the slave trade? No doubt the

vessel would not be perfectly equipped on going from Portsmouth; but the

state of the vessel then you will have to consider, and I believe I

shall be able to show that at that place the leagers were taken to

pieces and put on board in such a manner as that they could be easily

put together when she got out, and that there were existing in the

vessel a very considerable number of shackles usually used for the

purpose of confining slaves. You are aware that the slaves, the male

slaves, are almost always put into this situation between the decks, and

confined also by shackles. I shall be able to show that the leagers were

taken to pieces and stowed on board the vessel, and that there were a

very large number of shackles on board the vessel. Now, what was the

object in going to the Gallinas? If any directions which were given in

respect of that object are not brought out, you must find it out as well

as you can in the circumstances of the vessel. She was going to the

Gallinas. Mr. Zulueta was acting on behalf of a person whom he admits he

believed to be dealing in slaves. The whole view of the case must be

left in some degree to you, after all the evidence laid before you,

supposing the evidence to which I have called your attention to be

ultimately received.

Gentlemen, it will be my duty to call your attention to the evidence

which Mr. Zulueta volunteered before the Committee of the House of

Commons, and I can only say you will have to keep it in mind as

applicable to the other evidence if it is admitted. If it is not

admitted, you will take it as it is applicable to the case. I have

mentioned one or two sentences, and my learned friend has interfered to

represent that I was giving the effect of that evidence unfairly before

you. I shall call your attention to the material parts, and leave you to

apply it to the rest of the evidence. He was examined on the 22nd of

July, 1842. It would appear, from the questions proposed to him, that

some persons had made statements before the Committee of the House of

Commons, which, being intended to reflect upon him, had been inclosed

to him for his consideration, and that he felt himself obliged to appear

to meet those statements. That is the way in which the evidence was

given. He was not summoned before them--they could hardly summon him to

give an account of that which was intended by previous evidence to

reflect upon him; but, under those circumstances, he went before the

Committee of the House of Commons. The Chairman says, “You have seen

some statements that have been made to this Committee upon the subject

of a transaction in which your house was engaged; have you any

observations to offer upon it?--I received from the Clerk of the

Committee a letter accompanying a copy of certain evidences, which are

Mr. Macaulay’s evidence of the 10th of June, the 14th of June, and the

15th of June; and Captain Hill’s evidence of the 29th of June, the 4th

of July, and the 6th of July. I would beg first of all to refer to the

letter which I had the honour to address to the Chairman. My reason for

wishing to be examined before this Committee was, that the statements

contained in the evidence which I have mentioned are all of them more or

less incorrect, some of them totally so. I will begin by stating what

has been the nature of our, I will not say trade, for we have not had a

trade ourselves, but of our connexion with the shipment of goods to the

coast of Africa. We have been established as merchants for upwards of 70

years in Spain, for nearly 20 years in this country, and we have had

connexions to a large extent in Spain, and in the Havannah, and in South

America, and several other places; among them we have had connexions or

commercial intercourse with the house of Pedro Martinez & Co. of the

Havannah, and with Blanco & Cavallo, of Havannah. With them we have

carried on a regular business in consignments of sugars and of

cochineal, which they have made to us; and in specie received by the

packets from Mexico and other places. We have several times acted for

them here in this country, buying raw cotton for instance at Liverpool,

and re-selling it very largely; that has been principally with Pedro

Martinez & Co.” “They are general merchants?--They are general

merchants, and their transactions with us have been of that nature. As

general merchants we have bought stock here for them rather largely; and

in the course of those transactions we have received orders from Don

Pedro Martinez & Co., of the Havannah, and from Don Pedro Martinez, of

Cadiz, to ship goods for the coast of Africa; never from Pedro Blanco,

and never from Blanco & Cavallo.” “Have you received orders from Pedro

Martinez for shipments for the coast of Africa?--Yes, in the course of

business we have received orders to ship goods upon the funds in our

hands belonging to them, and we have shipped the goods described in the

letter, and sent the bills of lading to Pedro Martinez; but, beyond that

we have never had any returns from the coast of Africa, nor any control

of any kind from the moment the cargoes left the ports of this country.”

“You have had no interest in the result of the adventure?--No, nor any

notice, nor any acquaintance, nor any correspondence with any one upon

the coast; we have never had any kind of knowledge, either subsequently

or previously, of the shipments, except the mere fact of buying the

goods and shipping them.”

It is quite correct that they had had communication, as will

appear subsequently by evidence in respect of this vessel; they

actually received the amount of the insurance on the damaged goods

landed at Cadiz. “Your whole interest was a commission upon the

transaction?--Entirely. The extent of those transactions has been so

limited in the course of nearly 20 years that we have been in this

country, that the amount of the invoices that we have sent out has been

something like 20,000_l._ or 22,000_l._ in the course of all that time.

That is one part of the operations we have performed. The other

operations are the acceptance of bills drawn by people on the coast;

among them Pedro Blanco when he was there, upon ourselves, on account of

Blanco & Cavallo, of Havannah, upon funds which Blanco & Cavallo had in

our hands; for instance, the people at the Havannah, or in Spain, open a

credit with us, and we accept the bills of the parties on that credit

with us just the same as we should do with any other correspondent in

any other part.” You will hear probably in evidence who this Pedro

Blanco was. I shall prove that he was a person extensively engaged in

the trade in slaves.

Then the evidence proceeds:--“You would have funds in your hands,

arising from some commercial transactions between you and the Havannah

merchant or the Cadiz merchant; and Pedro Blanco, upon the coast of

Africa would draw upon the credit of those funds, being authorised by

the Cadiz or the Havannah merchant?--Yes; and if Pedro Blanco had drawn

five shillings beyond that, we should have protested, and in some

instances we have protested. With regard to the vessel alluded to in

this Report, the Augusta, our part in that concern has been simply that

which appears from one of the letters: that is to say, Pedro Martinez,

of Cadiz, had made choice of Jennings to buy the vessel, and lent him

money to buy the vessel; because Pedro Martinez wanted him to have a

vessel in the trade for the purpose of taking his goods to their

destination.”

Gentlemen, it is always satisfactory in a case of this kind to know, if

a person be charged with any offence, as Mr. Zulueta was, that a copy of

the evidence is sent to him; and when a person under such circumstances

makes a statement, it is satisfactory to know that if that statement be

true, it can be perfectly and easily proved by him, that there is no

doubt about it. No doubt evidence must be given sufficient to charge the

prisoner with the offence before he can be called upon for his defence;

but if he makes a statement, it is satisfactory to know that, if there

is a defence, it is absolutely in his power. Mr. Zulueta is one of a

firm; there is no difficulty therefore in proving all their

transactions. If he has letters limiting him to 500_l._, there are means

of proving that beyond all question.

He goes on: “I have now described the three kinds of operations in which

we have been concerned, and our knowledge of all of them terminated with

the execution of the orders of our correspondents. We had nothing more

to do than to follow the orders of the purchaser in shipping the goods.

With regard to the purchase of the vessel by Jennings; Jennings is a man

who has been employed some time by Martinez; he has served Martinez as a

chartered captain, and Martinez having been satisfied with his services,

agreed to lend him that money on the security of the vessel, provided

it did not exceed a certain amount; which was all the interference we

had with it, just to see that a certain amount was not exceeded, 500_l._

or whatever it was.” “Then you were to furnish Captain Jennings with

money for the purchase within a limited amount, say 500_l._, credit

being given to him upon you by Pedro Martinez, of Cadiz?--That is just

the point.” There is no doubt, gentlemen, as it would appear, that the

letter I have read to you had been published, and was known to Mr.

Zulueta, in which he writes and tells Jennings that they will not

proceed in the purchase further than 500_l._ Certainly it was not known

at that time that we should have the means of showing them that there

was in fact no such limit to the purchase adopted, and that that letter

could not be used for the purpose, for Mr. Zulueta does actually give

650_l._ for the purchase of that vessel.

He is then asked--“The Augusta being purchased by money advanced by your

house for Martinez and Company, of Cadiz; and she then became the

property of Pedro Martinez?--No, she became the property of Jennings;

the money was lent to Jennings, and he bound himself by giving security

on the vessel to answer for the amount. It is a mercantile operation,

which is not unusual.” If it had been a mere loan and mortgage of the

vessel, there can be no doubt of the fact; but it is for you to say

whether that is the nature of the transaction. “You advanced the money

to Captain Jennings for the purchase of the vessel, Jennings

transferring the vessel to you as a security for the amount so

advanced?--That is just the description of operation, which is a very

general one in business.” Then he goes on to describe the transaction:

“What is the object of such an operation?--I know very little, or almost

next to nothing, of the operations in those parts of the world; but the

object of such an operation I apprehend to be this: a vessel chartered

with a stranger must be governed by the different clauses of the

charter-party; the charterer must be limited to time and to places; and

by Martinez having the vessel owned by a man with whom he could have a

better understanding than with others, he might always send more

advantageously articles from the Havannah to the Gallinas, and from here

to the Gallinas. When I say articles, I mean legal articles.” “What

advantage would there be in Mr. Jennings taking the articles rather as

the owner than as captain under Martinez; was not he commander of the

vessel as well as owner of the vessel?--Yes.” “He is made the owner,

instead of being captain?--He is the owner as well as the captain of the

vessel; he stands indebted to Martinez, and gives a bottomry bond for

the vessel.” Gentlemen, the documents I have offered to you, which are

the charter-party and the other papers relating to the vessel, do not

amount to a bottomry bond; if there was one, there can be no difficulty

in the prisoner proving it to you.

Then he is asked: “Does Mr. Jennings upon this transaction make all the

freight to his own profit?--Certainly; whatever he does is to his own

profit.” That certainly was not the fact; for he was obliged to give up

the vessel whenever called upon. “He is not, then, an agent for

Martinez?--No, he is a person to whom Martinez lends the money to buy

the vessel; whatever profit he derives is his own. Martinez has this

advantage, which to a mercantile man is very perceptible, that he has

got a charter with a man who stands in that relation towards him which

gives him a sort of control over the vessel. If I, as a stranger,

charter a vessel for Martinez, and he has spent one, two, or five days

more in landing goods than the charter-party allows, I should make a

claim for it; I should say, ‘You must keep to the charter.’ Now, when

Jennings is indebted to him for the favour of a loan for the vessel, he

is not upon a similar footing.” “So that he gets the vessel more under

his own control?--Yes; in saying this I am putting an hypothetical case,

but I do not know the mind of Martinez himself.”

Then he is asked: “You acted in this transaction merely as agent in the

usual manner, as you would have acted for any house in any part of the

world?--Exactly; if Martinez had told me, ‘You have got 500_l._ in your

hands, pay that to Captain Jennings,’ I should have known nothing more

of the transaction; I should have paid the money. But Martinez did not

wish to go beyond a certain amount; and he says, ‘You exercise control,

do not allow the man to pay more than 500_l._ for the vessel.’”

Gentlemen, the letter treats it as a purchase for Zulueta. There may or

may not be those directions; if there were, it is in his power to prove

them; and it should be recollected that there was not time to get fresh

instructions after the declaration that he could not exceed 500_l._

before he paid 650_l._ for it: it is only in a few days. If a man says,

when charged with theft, “I bought the goods of such a person,” that is

no evidence at all, unless, he proves that he bought them, which he may

easily do if it is the fact. So here, if the prisoner says, though this

letter, which purports to be the letter of instructions for the actual

purchase, limits it to 500_l._, I received directions from Martinez to

purchase at 650_l._, that is proved with perfect facility, for it must

be by letter, and there are other persons in the firm who can prove it

for him. “But beyond the purchase of the vessel and the shipment of the

goods, the other arrangements and the subsequent transactions were

entirely between Jennings and Martinez & Co.?--Most assuredly; except

with the order of Martinez, I do not know how we could have done any

thing with him in any way.” That of course will be proved.

Then it goes on: “Though the process of hypothecating a vessel may be

usual between British merchants, is it usual to cover a transaction of

Spanish slave trade with the British flag, by means of such an

arrangement as that described to have taken place in the case of the

Augusta?--In order to answer that question, it seems to me that it is

fair that I should ask where is the transaction of covering, and where

is the slave trade transaction? I know positively of my own knowledge

that there is no such thing at all connected with the Augusta. If I had

an opportunity, I could make my affidavit of that.” He is asked again:

“Do you mean that you know that the Augusta was not engaged in any

slaving transactions during the voyage upon which she left

Liverpool?--Most assuredly not; in fact my testimony is hardly required

of that, because every thing proves that. When she was detained, it was

never said that she was upon a slaving operation at all. Before she left

this port, after she was bought, she was completely rendered useless for

that purpose.” Now leagers and things of that kind must be taken to

pieces, for she would not be allowed to have those on board; but the

staves forming them were left on board in a state in which they might

very soon have been made ready for use. When the question comes, whether

she was engaged in a slave trading transaction, you are to examine the

grounds of the prisoner’s denial with reference to the other parts of

the testimony, and how far that can be relied upon.

This question is then put: “The charge is, that she was engaged in

carrying goods to a person engaged in the slave trade; not that she was

engaged in the slave trade herself?--I most certainly say, that I do not

know whether the person is so engaged or not.” “Is it usual to cover a

transaction of Spanish trade with the English flag?--I am not aware that

a Spanish merchant is prohibited chartering an English vessel.” No doubt

a Spanish merchant is not; but if an Englishman knows that that vessel

is being chartered for a slave trading transaction, and he is one of the

persons chartering her for that purpose, I have no hesitation in stating

that he is guilty under this Act of Parliament, for he is chartering a

vessel to accomplish that illegal object; and if merchants in this

country would not accept bills drawn by slave traders, if they would not

send goods from this country to be employed for the purpose--in fact,

the trade could not be carried on at all. Then he is asked: “But is it

lawful to employ the British flag to cover a vessel that is not owned by

a British subject?--I say that that vessel is owned by a British

subject.” “By whom?--By Captain Jennings.” It is for you to say whether

that is a covert, or a _bonâ fide_ ownership. “Was not the money with

which she was purchased, the money of Pedro Martinez--It seems to me

that English captains and English subjects are not prohibited from

borrowing money from Spaniards; she was bought with money lent by Pedro

Martinez to Captain Jennings for the purpose.” Of course there can be no

difficulty in showing that that was lent by persons connected with that

firm, if it is true; if it is not true, of course it will not be shown.

Then he is asked: “Do you mean that the money was a loan to Captain

Jennings, at the time he paid it for the vessel?--It was a loan to

Captain Jennings.” “Do you mean that the ship was then Captain

Jennings’s property?--It was.” “Was it in his power to sell that ship at

any port he pleased?--There was a mortgage upon the vessel.” “You have

stated that yours is an agency trade?--It is so, and in the multitude of

business, any one can understand that 20,000_l._ in 15 or 20 years, can

only be a mere trifle in the business of any merchant, without laying

claim to a large business; and in following that business, we have

executed shipping orders.” “To what part of the coast of Africa has that

business been chiefly conducted?--I believe almost exclusively to the

Gallinas.” I believe you will find the Gallinas is simply a slave

trading place, and nothing else. “Have the goods that Mr. Martinez has

ordered to be sent to the Gallinas, been all sent to the same

individual?--No, to different individuals; sometimes to Pedro Blanco,

who was for a certain time an agent of Pedro Martinez on the coast, and

sometimes we have sent a bill of lading drawn in this way to order; we

have sent it to Pedro Martinez as a voucher against his account.” “Do

you know the nature of the trade of Pedro Martinez at the Gallinas?--I

know from general report that Don Pedro Martinez himself is supposed to

deal in slaves, and I believe it is so.” All his goods have been sent to

the Gallinas. “Is he known at the Havannah as a dealer in slaves?--I do

not know; but I believe so. I do not know why it should not be known at

the Havannah, if it is known in other parts.” “Is a ship which is

hypothecated liable to be foreclosed at any moment at the discretion of

the mortgagee?--It depends altogether upon the terms of the mortgage. If

the mortgagee says, ‘You must give me the money when I ask for it,’ of

course he must sell the vessel if he has not got any thing else.” Read

on in the same way this document, “but he is not bound to give the money

in any shape or form.” “He would always have to deduct whatever freight

had been earned. When the security may be called upon to be effective,

depends upon the nature of the transaction between the parties.” “Your

house had nothing to do with any letters that might be put on board the

Augusta after she sailed from this country?--Nothing whatever.” “The

Augusta was seized on the coast of Africa on the charge of slave

trading?--I believe that was the case.” “Did you not appeal against that

condemnation?--Yes, there is an appeal by the owner.” “Before the Privy

Council?--Yes.” “That appeal is not yet decided?--I believe not.” “You

stated that your transactions with Africa for Martinez have amounted to

about 20,000_l._ in 15 or 20 years. What has been the amount of your

whole transactions with Blanco and Martinez of the Havannah during that

period?--Perhaps 100,000_l._ or a larger sum. For instance, we have

received more than 40 or 50 cargoes of sugar from the Havannah consigned

to us, and cigars; and we have received bills of lading of specie,

shipped at Mexico, to be sold here, and bar gold, and things of that

sort.” “Have you reason to suppose that the whole of that large commerce

is subservient to the carrying on of the slave trade by the house of

Blanco & Martinez at the Havannah?--I do not know; I know that they have

large transactions in general business. I know that a short time ago I

got 40,000_l._ or 50,000_l._ of Spanish bonds in the market for

Martinez. I know that he is a large speculator in Spanish bonds and in

securities of state.” “Is that speculating in Spanish bonds on account

of the house at Cadiz, or the house at Havannah?--Speaking technically,

I should say it was on account of the Cadiz house.” “The question

related to the commerce of the Havannah house?--Pedro Martinez is a

Havannah merchant. But with regard to Havannah merchants, we have

received large consignments of sugar, cochineal, and sometimes Mexican

goods, brought to Havannah, and shipped to us here.” “In what course of

business have the proceeds of those consignments been disposed of; have

they gone in sending supplies to the coast of Africa?--Out of that large

amount of money 22,000_l._ is the amount of all the goods that we have

sent to the coast of Africa in 20 years.” “Of all descriptions?--Of all

sorts and kinds; I have gone through the invoice-book and found them

out.” “Have the proceeds generally been disposed of by drafts from the

parties themselves to your house?--By the parties at Havannah, when the

exchange turns to their advantage.” “Have you reason to suppose that a

large portion of the trade that they carry on at the Havannah is the

slave trade?--I had no reason to know any thing of the kind; I have

known more of their transactions with the slave trade since these things

have been mooted than I ever knew before; I have had more knowledge of

these things lately than I ever had in my life before; and when I say

‘I,’ I beg to state that I ought to state ‘we,’ for all my partners are

in the same situation.” “Have you been employed by the house at the

Havannah to ship manufactured goods from this country to Havannah,

suitable for the African trade?--We have sometimes shipped goods to the

Havannah of the same kind as those that were in the Augusta; cotton

goods and other things of that sort.” “Has that been recently?--In the

course of our operations.” “How many years ago?--In the course of these

15 or 20 years that we have been engaged in business with them; all that

I could see in a moment by my books.” “Have you sent any goods of that

description to the Havannah recently?--Not very recently; I think not

for some years.” “Have you sent any goods of that description since you

first began to send goods out direct to the coast of Africa?--They have

been mixed; I cannot draw a distinction between the two destinations;

some have gone to the Havannah, some to the Gallinas.” “Have those

supplies of English manufactured goods, which heretofore went to the

Havannah, to be used there for promoting the slave trade, been more

recently sent direct from this country to the coast of Africa?--No, I do

not think that is the case; I should think the contrary is more likely

to be the case; but I think we have shipped in some months, or in some

years, partly to the Havannah, and partly to the Gallinas.”

Then comes a statement as to the mode of carrying on the trade, which

will be read to you, but I do not think it necessary to read it now.

“Have you shipped English manufactured goods direct to the coast of

Africa, on behalf of both those houses?--Such goods as were in the

Augusta, I have shipped for one party only. With regard to the house of

Blanco & Carvalho, and the house of Pedro Martinez & Co., with both of

them I have carried on a general large business. But to Blanco &

Carvalho I never shipped a single piece of goods of any kind, except

some sugar mills to the Havannah; and with regard to the house of Pedro

Martinez, we have shipped such goods as those by the Augusta.” “From

your general knowledge of the trade of the house of Pedro Martinez &

Co., is it your opinion that the goods which you so shipped to the coast

of Africa were destined to be employed in the slave trade?--I do not

know, they may be for any thing that I know.”

Now, gentlemen, I would humbly submit, that if they have that reason to

know, that they do believe that the goods are so employed, and if they

send the goods, it is not for them to shut their eyes and say, “I do not

know.” It is like the case where a person receives stolen goods and no

questions are asked, and he gives money in exchange for them. Such a

person is as much guilty of receiving stolen goods, as if the person who

brought them told him the fact. As to hundreds of persons whom you try

for receiving stolen goods, they do not know, they cannot know

positively that they are taken out of such a house; but they are

delivered to them in such a way, or are concealed in such a way, that

there is no doubt they were dishonestly come by, and that is as good

evidence as if they had known where they were stolen. So it is not

enough for a person to say, “I do not know; they may not for aught I

know.” If he believes, and you are satisfied that he must have been

aware of the fact, then the case is clear; it is no defence to say, “I

shut my eyes, and do not know; they may be for aught I know.”

Then it is asked: “Has it come within your knowledge that the house of

Martinez & Co. are exporters from Africa of the native produce of

Africa?--No, because I never tried to get any knowledge of their

transactions there of any sort.” “Have you ever received consignments

from them, or on their behalf of palm oil, gold dust, or ivory, from the

coast of Africa?--Never; we never have received any thing from the coast

of Africa whatever. With regard to all these transactions, it will

perhaps appear strange to the Committee, that I should not know more of

the coast of Africa, having shipped things there; but if we had shipped

to the amount of 100,000_l._ to the coast of Africa, or carried on any

considerable trade there, we should certainly have known more about the

coast of Africa; but in transactions of a very large amount, an invoice

occasionally of about 2,000_l._ or 3,000_l._ of goods was a thing that

we sent as a matter of course, and did not trouble our heads about,

especially as the remuneration we got was a mere trifle, not of itself

worth pursuing, if it had not been for the general business we had.”

Then the question is put: “Is there any other part of the evidence which

has been given that you wish to observe upon?” and he answers, “It is

asked here in question 5086, ‘Who was he?’ the answer is, ‘The name is

mentioned in the Parliamentary Papers as being connected with the

purchase of a slave vessel, Mr. Kidd; and it is mentioned in connexion

with that of Mr. Zulueta, of London.’ Now, as to Mr. Kidd, the very

first thing I ever knew or ever heard of his name was to see it here. I

never heard of his name at all. I never had a letter from him or through

him, or knew any thing of the man whatever. That is with regard to

myself. With regard to my partners, I can say the same; I have been

making inquiries about it. My father knew there was such a man upon the

coast, but I did not know even that, though I have managed all this

business. Our house never had a letter from the man, or knew any thing

about him.” Then it is asked, “You have no connexion with Mr. Kidd in

any way?--No, nor any knowledge of him. Then in the next answer it is

said, ‘Zulueta, the gentleman in London, to whom the vessel was sent,

and who sold her again to her former Spanish owner, is a name well known

on the coast in connexion with the slave trade?’ Now what is known on

the coast I really cannot pretend to say, but I believe that not many

persons can say that which I can say, that neither myself, nor my

father, nor my grandfather, nor any body in our firm, has ever had any

kind of interest of any sort, or derived any emolument or connexion from

the slave trade. My father had at one time an interest in a bankrupt’s

estate at the Havannah, upon which he was a creditor. There were some

slaves on the estate, and they formed part of the property assignable to

the creditors, and my father got the slaves assigned to him; because the

other gentlemen and the creditors were not of the same opinion, he got

them assigned to him, and made them free; and that is all the connexion

we have ever had with any slaves in the world. I do not know how far

that may be considered irrelevant to the point, but I state it because

we are here mentioned three or four times as connected with slave

dealers, as a name well known in connexion with the slave trade. That

sort of statement is rather a difficult thing to deal with.” “If it is

meant to insinuate by these observations that you ever had any other

connexion with the slave trade, than being the shipping agent of goods

which were sent to a man who was a dealer in slaves, you entirely deny

it?--I assure the Committee, that although I have a general notion as to

what interest Blanco and Martinez have in slaves, yet, if I was put upon

my oath to make any particular statement, I really could not, because I

do not know it. Of course I believe it; but my personal knowledge

amounts only to that which the knowledge of what we read in a newspaper

amounts to.”

Now, gentlemen, we know too the trade of these parties in the Gallinas.

If the prisoner believed that these goods were sent out for the purpose

of carrying on the slave trade, and he did send them out, and you are

satisfied that the name of Jennings was used as a mere cover, and the

whole affair shows his knowledge, then I apprehend he is guilty within

this indictment; and it is no defence to say, “If I were put upon my

oath, I could not swear that the parties were slave dealers, because I

do not know it.” If these goods were sent out in order to accomplish the

trading or dealing in slaves, if that was the object of it, the statute

says it is criminal, and the party is liable to punishment, for that is

all that is ever done in England: the parties who engage in the actual

transactions must necessarily reside in Africa. What was meant to be

prevented, was the sending any thing out from this coast that could be

so used. It is not sufficient to say, “I believe these might be used for

the purpose of slave trading:” that would not affect him.

Then he is asked, “There was nothing upon the face of the transactions

which you had with those parties, which spoke of a connexion with

traffic in slaves?--Nothing whatever.” Why, would any human being

believe that there would be any thing said of the kind? That would of

course be kept secret. The vessel would not reach her destination, if it

was avowed that she was going out for the purpose of slave trading. “It

is well known, that, fifty years ago, it was in the ordinary course of

business in Cadiz to insure operations in slave trading. My house at

that time were underwriters, and it was notorious that a policy of that

kind would never enter the doors of our house; and nobody would come to

offer such a thing to us upon any terms. It is notorious, both here and

in Spain, that we set our faces distinctly against having any interest

of any kind in the slave trade.”

Then it is put as a question: “It is further stated, ‘It appears that it

is a regular thing sending vessels to him, that is to Mr. Zulueta; if

they come to England to him, he sends them to Cadiz, and they get out

again to the Havannah and come again into the trade.’ Have you any

observation to make upon that?--It is all untrue, the whole of it; I

never received a vessel from those gentlemen; there has been nothing of

the kind.”

The question is: “Have you any thing further to state upon the

subject?--There are several things I have marked; for instance, such as

this, ‘You are not bound to suppose that a man will make a bad use of

that which he purchases.’ If I wished to put my statement upon that

footing, I should have done with it in a moment, for I knew nothing of

the use they were put to. I bought goods, but as to what use was made of

them I knew nothing whatever. But that is not the position which I wish

to assume. It is said here, that we sent goods or vessels to Pedro

Blanco. To that I say, that we never sent either goods or vessels to

Pedro Blanco.” Now that is certainly very extraordinary, for a very

little while before, when the question was put to him, “Have the goods

that Mr. Martinez has ordered to be sent to the Gallinas been all sent

to the same individual?” he answered “No, to different individuals,

sometimes to Pedro Blanco, who was for a certain time an agent of Pedro

Martinez.” Then here he says, “We never sent goods or vessels to Pedro

Blanco.” “In answer to Question 5474, it is said by Mr. Macaulay, ‘I

stated, that it appears that it is a regular thing sending vessels to

him, that is to Mr. Zulueta; if they come to England to him he sends

them to Cadiz, and they get out again to the Havannah and come again

into the trade. My answer was intended to describe only the course of

that particular transaction, and not to apply to any other case.’ I

never received a single vessel from the coast of Africa at any time, nor

any body for us.” “Then that statement is entirely untrue?--Totally,

from beginning to end; we never did so; and nobody for us, and nobody to

our knowledge, or with our connivance; I deny it in the most distinct

manner. In answer to Question 5487, Mr. Macaulay is asked, ‘Have you any

thing further to say with regard to the connexion of Zulueta with the

slave trade?’ The answer is, ‘I would refer to his connexion with the

Gollupchik, which was lately captured. In that case it appeared that the

vessel went out direct to the Gallinas from London.’ That is the same

vessel as the Augusta, which I have already explained; it formerly bore

the name of Gollupchik.” Then the Chairman says, “Have you been

concerned in the purchase of vessels frequently for Pedro Martinez or

Pedro Blanco?--We have sometimes bought such vessels here as we could

resell at the Havannah, such as the Arrogante, which we have bought.”

“Upon orders?--Partly on orders, and sometimes on our own account on

speculation.” “For what particular trade were they calculated when they

reached the Havannah?--I think for the same trade which they were

calculated for when they were sold here.” “For the conveyance of

merchandise?” The answer is, “As well as anything else. They were sold

here publicly.” There is no doubt that vessels which are fitted for

carrying goods may also be adapted for carrying slaves. Then Mr.

_Forster_ asks the question, “If it was legal for them to be sold here,

you considered that it was legal for you to buy them?--I never had any

doubt of the legality of buying here, or of selling them again

afterwards.” “Mr. _Wood_. But the questions appertaining to the carrying

on of the slave trade do not confine themselves within strictly legal

grounds, but they have other more important considerations attaching to

them?--As to that point there may be a difference of opinion; I would be

very sorry indeed, for the sake of catching the approval of other

persons, to make a disclaimer of any particular set of opinions

whatever; but I believe the only point with which the Committee have to

do, is the legal point. As to the moral point, it seems to me, that I am

to judge of that; upon that point, I think I have stated quite enough,

having stated distinctly that I never had any connexion, nor derived any

profit from the slave trade whatever.”

There are then several questions: in answer to which he states, “That he

never had any thing to do with slave transactions.” Those I leave to my

learned friend to read. Then question 10451 is, “Had you ever employed

Jennings before?--Jennings had had charge of vessels before, chartered

by Martinez, and hence the connexion between Martinez and Jennings.

There are some captains in all trades that make a great deal of

difficulty about every thing, and others that do not; of course

merchants like to deal with those that do not, more than those that do.”

Then the Chairman says: “It would appear from Question 5087, that your

name is supposed to have been mentioned in a Parliamentary Paper as

connected with a slave trade transaction. Will you refer to page 38, in

Class B, Paper of 1839 and 1840, which is the place referred to in the

answer, and see if there is any trace of your name in that

transaction?--I do not find my own name there; I only find an allusion

at the bottom to the name of Pedro Martinez, but in a manner in no way

connected with me, and stating a circumstance which I never knew. In

Question 7965*, it is stated, ‘The Augusta had touched at Cadiz on her

way out from England?’--The answer is, ‘Yes, and landed part of her

cargo at Cadiz, although it was consigned to be delivered at Gallinas.’

Now Captain Hill, who has given this answer, must have known why she

touched at Cadiz, and why she discharged part of her cargo; for it must

be in the log-book of the vessel. It was because she was nearly wrecked

in her passage; she put into Cadiz in distress; and there she landed a

part of her cargo, which was tobacco which was rotten, and sold for the

benefit of the underwriters. Now that has not been stated here; but I

think Captain Hill must have known it, because it is in the log-book of

the vessel which he took.” “And the log-book he must have read?--I

should think so; because if he has not done that he has done nothing.

All I mean to say is, that it is an _ex parte_ statement.” “It was not

intended when she left England that she should put into Cadiz?--Most

certainly not; all the facts of the case show that she went there

because she was obliged. I have not seen the log-book, but it must be

there; because in the log-book the captain is bound to enter those

things, and whoever captured the vessel must have seen the log-book of

course. In answer to Question 7967*, it is said, ‘Messrs. Zulueta must

be aware that it is contrary to law to act as agents, or otherwise, for

the shipment of goods that are to be employed in the slave trade; they

were bound to do nothing illegal; they are merchants residing in

England, and they must conform themselves to the laws of England, and

they cannot by the laws of England plead ignorance of those laws.’ Now I

and my partners are British subjects, and therefore we are bound by the

law, and we must obey the law; and I say that to endeavour to elude the

law is criminal in my estimation of things. In the answer to Question

7970*, it is stated, ‘I have endeavoured to be particular in making it

appear that this vessel was chartered to a place where there were no

constituted authorities.’ I think that in the Gallinas there are

constituted authorities. It is the first time that I ever heard that it

is illegal for any merchant to ship goods for any places without

ascertaining beforehand whether there are constituted authorities there.

I believe that if they like to send goods to any place they may do it;

and as to the fact of there being constituted authorities in the place

or not, I do not see what that has to do with the question; besides,

there have been such things as treaties made with persons at the

Gallinas, so that there must be some constituted authorities there. But

I do not know why I should be called upon to know whether there are

constituted authorities at the port or not. Then it is stated, in answer

to Question 7971*, ‘As far as I am able to give my own opinion, I

believe that Messrs. Zulueta were perfectly criminal; at least they had

a knowledge of what they were doing. I think I am borne out in that by

the secrecy they have endeavoured to pursue in putting in a false

owner.’” Then in answer to that observation Mr. Zulueta says, “I have

answered all that before: I state again, that all the secrecy and

mystery of the thing lies in supposing other things different from what

appear. Then it is said, ‘In fact there can be no want of evidence to

show that Messrs. Zulueta had for a length of time been agents to slave

dealers.’ Mr. Blanco and Mr. Martinez may have been engaged, as I have

stated, in slave operations; and I have stated that we conducted their

general business here.”

Mr. _Forster_ then asks: “Is not Pedro Blanco a partner in a commercial

house at the Havannah, who are general merchants?--Yes, I have stated

that before.”

“Captain _Fitzroy_.] Have you ever discounted any bill drawn by Pedro

Blanco on Pedro Martinez & Co. for goods delivered for them on the

African coast at the Gallinas?--I have accepted bills drawn by Pedro

Blanco and others from the Gallinas upon our house, and paid them to the

order of several houses in Sierra Leone and houses in London. I have

paid them in money that I had in my hands resulting from the general

transactions of business which I have explained. But discounting would

be this, if I had paid those acceptances before they were due, and

received some consideration for them; that I never did, but I might have

done it in the case of these bills.” “Were those bills negotiated

through your hands in payment of goods delivered at the Gallinas?--No;

they were drawn generally with the advice attached to them, saying, I

have drawn a thousand pounds upon you for account of Blanco and

Carvalho, or Blanco & Co., at the Havannah.

“Mr. _Wood_.] By whose orders were you desired to honour it; was it by

the order of Pedro Blanco at the Gallinas?--No; by the house at the

Havannah, or by the house at Cadiz; sometimes the one and sometimes the

other. Blanco had a house some time ago in Malaga, as a general

merchant, occupied in shipping the fruits of the country and oil to the

United States, &c. &c. In answer to Question 7961*, the following is

stated:--‘In one of these letters, dated Cadiz, 30th of November, 1840,

is a paragraph to the following effect:--In a letter, dated London, the

21st instant, which I have just received from Messrs. Zulueta & Co.,

merchants in London, I had the pleasure of receiving a bill drawn by you

on them for 250_l._, which I this day place to their credit, waiting

your advice of the same.’ There is here certainly a mistranslation of

some kind, because it says that this man receives a bill upon us, and

credits it to us, which is, of course, contradictory in the very terms

of it; because, if the bill was remitted to this man upon us, he would

have debited it to us, and not credited it.”--I believe it is perfectly

consistent when the letter is produced.--“But altogether there is some

confusion about it; I suppose arising from the mistranslation of the

documents, because the fact is this, the bill is one of the bills I have

already mentioned, drawn from the Gallinas upon ourselves, to the order

of a third party. It is a bill drawn at the Gallinas upon ourselves, on

account of the credit, and therefore it could never have been received

by the person in Cadiz.” That would be explained by a former answer, in

which he says, he had sometimes sent bills of lading on which he had

accepted a bill drawn from him on the Gallinas, and sent it to the house

at Cadiz. He would have just said, This is a bill drawn upon me from

Gallinas; I have accepted the bill, and placed it to your credit.

Question 10459 is: “Can you give the Committee any information upon

this: ‘The other letters,’ nine of them, ‘were all on slave business:

not a word of any innocent trade, but the whole directing how slaves

were to be shipped on board various vessels.’ How do you account for

this vessel carrying letters upon slave business?--I account for it in

this way. First of all, it is impossible for us to answer here what

letters will be put on board a vessel at Cadiz; but there is very seldom

any communication between Cadiz and the Gallinas; whatever letters there

were must have gone by such random occasions as arose. As to the fact

that whoever wrote those letters is engaged in the slave trade, the

letters will speak for themselves.”

“_Chairman._] Those letters were not prepared in the expectation of the

arrival of this vessel, because this vessel was not destined to that

port, and was only driven there by stress of weather?--Most certainly. I

will add one circumstance in proof of that. The vessel was supposed to

have been lost, from the circumstance of a boat having been found upon

the coast with the name of T. Jennings upon it, and it was supposed that

it was a boat belonging to the vessel; it was, in fact, a boat from the

vessel, but the vessel had not been lost; therefore the vessel was

quite unexpected in Cadiz by every soul. It went there from stress of

weather and nothing more. Then it is said in answer to Question 7972*,

‘I think the papers are quite conclusive to the mind of any man that

Zulueta was cognizant of what he was doing; but as far as it is an

illegal transaction, it is not for me to judge; but the Judge of the

Vice-Admiralty Court of Sierra Leone did think it illegal, and condemned

the vessel; and moreover, the man who is put forward as captain and

owner did not defend the vessel on her trial.’ Now, as to the statement

of his being a false owner, I have already stated that he was not. But

then, again, with regard to the other part of the business, the man did

not defend it, because he was prevented from defending it.”

With respect to the first part of that answer--it is stated that she put

into Cadiz from stress of weather--the evidence I shall lay before you

is, that when she received injury from the weather (and there is no

doubt there was a storm), she was within two days sail of Cork, and 18

or 19 days from Cadiz. The crew actually resisted; they did not mutiny,

but they opposed going to Cadiz; and it was only on his making the

arrangement that those persons should be discharged at Cadiz, that they

consented to go on. My version, therefore, of the affair is, that she

put into Cadiz, not from stress of weather, but from other reasons.

Ultimately she got there, and there were certain letters put on board

there when she was fortunate enough to get there, addressed to Martinez

& Co., who were engaged in this transaction, who, according to

appearance, were actually charterers of the vessel for Zulueta & Co.,

who gave directions where those goods that were on board were to go.

It appears that there was an objection to answer the question at the

moment, on whom the bills were drawn, and it was deferred to the

following day. On the next day he appeared again, when the Chairman

says, “The Committee understand that you have some further observations

to make upon the evidence which has been given with reference to your

house?” The answer is, “With reference to the destination of the

Augusta, from Liverpool to Gallinas, and the fact of its having put into

Cadiz unforeseen, and unpremeditated altogether, in consequence of

stress of weather, I omitted to mention a circumstance which will put

the thing beyond doubt, and it is this: an insurance was made at Lloyd’s

from Liverpool to the Gallinas, and it is well known that, of course, we

should have forfeited the insurance by going to any other port, except

from the peril of the sea; and the British consul at Cadiz is well aware

of the circumstance, because he is Lloyd’s agent there; and therefore he

had to interfere in the whole proceeding; without his sanction nothing

could have been done. We have called upon the underwriters upon that

account, and it has been paid, and which would not have been paid

without its being proved. I stated yesterday that the transactions of my

house with Pedro Martinez & Co. of the Havannah, with Blanco & Carvalho

of the Havannah, and with Pedro Martinez of Cadiz, had amounted in the

20 years to 100,000_l._ I was afraid of over rating the amount, but on

reference to the books of the house, I find that our transactions with

them in 20 years have amounted to 400,000_l._, out of which the

22,000_l._ that was mentioned is the whole amount of goods that have

been shipped by their orders for the coast of Africa.” No doubt,

gentlemen, that is a very serious answer when you have this fact as

coming within general knowledge: it was stated that beyond doubt they

dealt in slaves, and that the whole amount of exports from Africa, as

arising out of transactions to the amount of 400,000_l._ is stated to be

22,000_l._; and that amount of goods from Africa would, no doubt, be in

repayment for the same transactions. “Can you state how much of the

22,000_l._ has accrued within any given period; is it distributed

equally over the whole 20 years, or has it grown up in the last four or

five years?--In the last few years it has decreased, but otherwise it is

spread over the whole number of years. In such a length of time it forms

to our minds a mere speck. In the last six months our transactions with

the house of Pedro Martinez of Cadiz amount to already 30,000_l._, and

with Pedro Martinez of the Havannah, to nearly the same amount. With the

house of Pedro Blanco & Co. of the Havannah, the amount has been

15,000_l._ for what has passed in the last six months, and with the

houses generally at Cuba, throughout the island, it amounts to

100,000_l._ altogether, arising entirely from cargoes of sugar, and from

tobacco, and remittance of bills from there in carrying on banking

operations, upon which they draw again, which are negotiated in the

Havannah and sent to houses in London to cash, and remittances of drafts

on the Spanish treasury at the Havannah, and bills of lading of specie

and bullion, and such things from Mexico. I state these things only to

show the nature of our trade, and I have been particular, because as

these are large amounts I wish to show what they arise from. Another

fact escaped my attention yesterday, and it is this, that Don Pedro

Martinez is owner of several large vessels of 300 tons and 400 tons,

which are in the trade of sugar, tobacco, and such things, with us, in

England and with Cadiz.” I believe the cargo on board the Augusta was

worth about 5,000_l._; I do not know whether this may be considered as

part of this or not; you will judge whether they are to be attributed or

not to Captain Jennings. Then he says, he has bought other

vessels:--“There was the Star, Captain Jennings. That vessel was sent

from here to the Gallinas, precisely the same as the Augusta has been

sent. She delivered her cargo; she went from thence to Cape Coast, I

believe, and from there to Madeira; she received a cargo of wheat; she

came back to Spain, and she was sold at Liverpool to a third party, not

Martinez, or any body connected with him; in fact, she was sold for very

little. The object of that vessel was just the same as the Augusta, to

maintain a legal trade with Gallinas; that is within my own knowledge.”

“Mr. _Aldam_.] What is the description of legal trade that was carried

on?--Sending out goods to be sold at those places, and to go to other

ports, not to carry any cargo from there to the Havannah.” “There has

been a good deal of evidence, in which it has been stated that no legal

trade is carried on with Gallinas?--I could not say what trade there is

at the Gallinas of a legal nature; but I know that those vessels would

have taken nothing, if there was nothing legal to take, from that place

to the Havannah, or to any other place; I am aware that my answers upon

this point must be deficient, because I am really very ignorant of the

trade of the West Coast of Africa.” “Do you suppose that the vessels

would be used to carry on a legal trade?--Most certainly I do; because

persons find it worth while to send goods there constantly. The

Committee will observe, that what the application of the goods is

afterwards I cannot say, but I speak of the fact of the vessels having

gone there with the intention of returning to the Havannah to bring a

cargo of some description here, to pay a freight, and then to go again

with the same kind of goods to Africa.”

“_Chairman._] You have stated before, that you have cleared out for

the Gallinas from Liverpool?--Yes.” “In carrying on operations of that

kind, should you have ever thought it necessary to exercise any disguise

as to what part of Africa you were clearing out for?--Not at all.” “You

did not imagine, that in being the instrument of sending lawful goods

to any part of Africa you were doing any thing which required

concealment?--Nothing at all of the kind; and the proof of that is, that

in the bills of entry in Liverpool any body could see our names as

consignees of the vessel, and see entries made in our own names of every

thing.”

Gentlemen, no doubt this is most important, and if this had been--it is

for you to say whether it was--but if it had been a legal trade, would

it not have appeared in the ship’s papers that this had been shipped by

Messrs. Zulueta the charterers, and consigned to Mr. Martinez? In all

this statement it is said, that it is beyond all question that this was

not a transaction which ought to be concealed, for that their name would

not have appeared in the cockets, the bill of lading, and every thing

connected with it. Now, the fact is, that their name does not appear,

for it only appears as shipped by Thomas Jennings. Now, Thomas Jennings

is the captain; he makes a contract with Zulueta; he is not the person

who ships the things; but in all the ship’s papers, and every thing

connected with them, it all appears as shipped by Jennings, and their

name is not introduced from beginning to end. “Is not there a document,

officially published daily in London and at Liverpool, stating the daily

entries at the Custom-house of all goods shipped, with the description

of the goods, and the name of the port and of the shipper?--Yes, there

is.” I am not aware of any such; but there is none with Mr. Zulueta’s

name as the shipper on this vessel. “Is not this printed from time to

time in the public papers?--It is in general circulation; there is

hardly any merchant in Liverpool or in London who is not possessed of

one. The Liverpool entries are reprinted in London, Liverpool being such

an important place of business. The bill printed in London contains also

Liverpool, Hull, and Bristol.” “So that every such transaction is

perfectly notorious to every one?--Notorious to every one who chooses to

read the public papers. There is another thing which escaped me till I

came into the room this morning. As I have been in the business from my

childhood, I know every thing that is going on an it. The Arrogante,

after we sold her at the Havannah, was sent to Vera Cruz with a cargo of

Spanish paper, spirits, raisins, &c., such as is sent for the South

American trade, for the purpose of breaking the blockade of Vera Cruz,

which she did break and went in. It was asked in Question 7147, whether

the Augusta was equipped for the slave trade the second time; the answer

was, ‘She was not.’ I wish to state, that before any goods were put on

board of her, it was our express wish and order that every thing in her

that was fit for that trade should be taken down, and the vessel put in

the same condition as any other merchant vessel; and we should not have

loaded any thing in her if that had not been done.” Beyond all question:

she could not have gone out of the port of Liverpool if that had not

been done; if she had been fitted up as a slave trader, she would have

been seized before she went out of the port of Liverpool. “It is stated

in the evidence that the Augusta was consigned to three notorious slave

dealers; now we had never in our lives heard of the name of any one of

the parties to whom she was consigned.” That is a most extraordinary

thing. You will see how that is, if the letters are put in. Here are

persons shipping to the Gallinas for two years; there are five persons

there who are slave dealers, and nothing else; the prisoner has

consigned goods there for twenty years, and yet he has never known the

names of three of them as slave dealers. There is a difficulty in that

answer, because he does not remember their names before he sent goods to

them. He is asked, “You mean that the first time you heard their names

was when the order to ship those goods was given to you?--Yes, and the

circumstance of three consignees is a regular thing with distant

consignments, such as South America and Africa. There is such an

uncertainty attending the residence of parties in those places, that we

invariably put a second and a third consignee in addition, in case the

first should not be in the way.” Then Mr. _Forster_ says, “Some bills

were referred to in your former evidence drawn by Mr. Pedro Blanco upon

your house; have you any objection to put those bills before the

Committee?--Not any. And I ought to state now, as I have been looking at

the bills more closely, that they are not all drawn to the orders of

Sierra Leone houses, but to the orders of other Spaniards, and those

people endorsed them to the Sierra Leone houses. This does not alter the

case materially, but for the sake of accuracy I mention it.” “You will

put them in for the inspection of the Committee?--Certainly.--(_The same

were delivered in._)” Then it is said, “You only hesitated in giving the

names yesterday from motives of delicacy, not from any motive of

concealment?--Yes, I do not wish to withhold any thing; but I am

indisposed to introduce any name. I have no wish to conceal any thing

whatever. I have been consulting with my partners upon this subject, and

I have a request to make to the Committee. Our position is one which is

certainly an unpleasant one. I think that what I have stated will have

proved to the satisfaction of the Committee that we have not in any way

intended to elude the law.” Then there is a suggestion that it is not

necessary I should state to you, that if there is any difficulty a new

Act of Parliament should pass.

Gentlemen, I have read to you, I believe, every word of the statement of

Mr. Zulueta which is material to the question. I wished to read it,

because I wish that there should not be the slightest possible ground

for stating that I conceal any thing which he had stated in his own

favour. You are perfectly aware, that where you put in the statement of

any person against him, you take it all; you examine into the truth of

that which is said in his own favour, and the truth of that which makes

against him; you examine the correctness or incorrectness of the whole

from this. It will be for you to say, how far you are satisfied that he

had the means of knowing, and did know, that Pedro Martinez was a slave

trader, dealing in slaves at the Gallinas. If you gather from this that

he knew it, then the next question you will have to decide will be,--Was

this vessel going to the Gallinas for the purpose of supplying the

dealers with goods, the materials for carrying on their business, and

the materials for the use of the slaves while in that situation? for

there is no doubt that that will be an offence within this Act of

Parliament. You are to say, whether he did know it or not. The goods

sent were partly iron pots used for boiling their rice while in

barracoons. Then there are other goods fit for barter with reference to

the exchange of slaves, that being, as far as any evidence can be laid

before you, the only trade carried on at that place: you will say,

whether they were intended to be used for that trade. The question is,

Do you know of any other trade in the Gallinas but the slave trade? The

prisoner did not know of any other trade; he did not pretend to know of

any other. Gentlemen, undoubtedly you cannot look into the mind of any

one; you must judge from the facts; and therefore one material question

you will have to decide is, Was this trade carried on in the way in

which a person would carry on a trade who knew it to be of such a

nature--was it carried on _bonâ fide_, or with a most careful

concealment of the name of Zulueta throughout the whole of this

transaction? If you find there was concealment, you must undoubtedly, as

far as you are able, ascertain whether there was a guilty knowledge. If

a prisoner had been charged with receiving goods knowing them to be

stolen, and it appeared that he had concealed them in the way in which

an honest man would not, that is evidence; so if you are satisfied there

was a course of concealment, and that the name of Jennings, the man who

knew of the affair, was used to cover these goods, they being shipped in

the name of Jennings; if you consider that in the fair ordinary course

of trade that would be evidence of fraud, then you will consider whether

that is not proof that they were sent for the purpose of slave trading.

That is the question to which you must turn your attention. I will lay

the evidence before you: I have opened a part of the evidence, it will

be a question whether any more will be laid before you; if no more is

laid before you, you must take the evidence which will be before you,

and consider whether the goods being sent to these persons engaged in

the slave trade, with the concealment, is not evidence of the intention

of sending them. If the other evidence is laid before you, you will take

the whole, under the direction of the learned Judge, into your

consideration.

Gentlemen, there is one observation I ought to make before I close. My

learned friend has thrown out the question, Who is the prosecutor in

this case? It is quite immaterial, in point of law, who is the

prosecutor; the question is, What is the evidence against the defendant?

But you will not for a moment understand that the prosecutor wishes to

conceal himself or his name. The name of the prosecutor is the attorney

in the case, Sir George Stephen; he is the son of a gentleman whose name

has been known as long as any attempt has existed in this country, as

one deeply interested in the attempt to overthrow the slave trade, and

cause its suppression; and he is the nephew of a man to whom undoubtedly

I should say is due very great praise, it would be hardly too much to

say the greatest praise, in removing the stain which rested upon this

country--I mean Mr. Wilberforce. Sir George Stephen has no fear or

apprehension upon the subject; he has felt it to be necessary and proper

in his judgment, and the judgment of those with whom he is connected and

with whom he has acted, that some person should stand forward to bear

all the responsibility which rested upon any individual in bringing a

case of this kind before you for your consideration. He has no objection

to bear that responsibility; he has performed his duty in this respect.

But that is quite immaterial to the question in this case, which is

simply this,--Is the prisoner at the bar guilty or not guilty of that

with which he is charged in this indictment? And I mention the name of

Sir George Stephen, because he does not wish to shrink from the

responsibility which rests upon him. You will attend only to the

evidence, and upon the evidence you will give your verdict of guilty or

not guilty. I am sure, if the prisoner is innocent, you will give that

verdict with great satisfaction; but if he is guilty, you will not

shrink from that important duty which rests upon you in giving a

verdict--a verdict of the utmost importance to those human beings for

whose protection you are now sitting. If he is innocent, no feeling of

that description will influence you in giving a feather’s weight to the

prosecution; on the other hand, if you feel that he is guilty, you will

not shrink from saying so by your verdict.

Trial of Pedro de Zulueta, jun., on a Charge of Slave Trading, under 5 Geo. IV, cap. 113, on Friday the 27th, Saturday the 28th, and Monday the 30th of October, 1843, at the Central Criminal Court, Old Bailey, London A Full Report from the Short-hand Notes of W. B. Gurney, Esq. · 第 60 / 88 题