CHAPTER ELEVEN.

_Subsequent Debates—The Owen Contest—He Gets his

“Treat”—Opponent’s Confession—Dressing “Stone”—A Scared

Baptist—Invades the Lutheran Ranks—Measures Steel with Doctor

Ingram—Dissertation on Infant Baptism—Opponent’s Early

Flight—Concludes the Debate Alone—The Haw Debate._

As the preceding chapter has shown, our subject was not a debater from

choice. He was thrust into the debating arena by circumstances. His

memorable victory over Doctor Holt placed his name in big letters among

the leading debaters of the time, creating demands for his services in

this capacity that could not well be resisted. Besides being in constant

demand to expound and defend the doctrines for which he stood, by his

own, and other denominations of a kindred faith, he figured in some

thirteen debating bouts, a detailed account of which would of itself

make a good-sized volume. Hence, a few passing references to some of

these contests, with some characteristic incidents, is all that will be

attempted here.

Shortly after the debate with Doctor Holt, he received an urgent appeal

from Rev. James Griffiths of the United Brethren Church at Potomac,

Illinois, to come over to his Macedonia and help him. Controversy between

the Christian and United Brethren churches of that section was at white

heat. The Christian Church, under the leadership of a Rev. Mr. Owen,

was pressing the battle to the gates and making things unpleasantly

interesting for Rev. Mr. Griffiths, who was not of a controversial turn

of mind. He felt, however, that the safety of his cause demanded that

his adversaries be met upon their own ground with their own weapons. His

presiding elder, Rev. J. W. Nye, joined in the request that Rev. Mr.

Newgent go to the rescue.

Accordingly, a debate between Owen and Newgent, covering the usual mooted

questions between the two denominations, was arranged. Rev. Mr. Owen

was scholarly and serious, but utterly lacking in the humorous element.

His dry logic was no match for the fiery eloquence and quick wit of his

Irish antagonist. Like the bridegroom at a wedding, he was a rather

inconspicuous figure, except that his part was necessary to the carrying

out of the program. It was an easy victory for the United Brethren and

their allies, resulting in a cessation of hostilities and a reign of

peace in that section of Zion.

A more notable contest was that with Dr. W. B. F. Treat, then president

of Indiana State University, at Bloomington. Doctor Treat, as his

position would indicate, was a man of fine scholarship. He was a minister

in the Christian Church, zealous in the defense of its doctrines, and had

won many trophies as a debater.

The preliminary arrangements for this debate were made by a couple of

ministers, one a representative of the Christian Church, and the other a

United Brethren. Newgent and Treat were secured by the two churches as

their respective champions.

As the two champions were introduced on the occasion of the debate,

the following bit of repartee was indulged in by Newgent, who had been

suffering from some slight temporary ailment: “I am sorry you are not in

good trim,” said Doctor Treat, “I had hoped to find a man who would be

able to put up a good fight.”

“Oh,” said Newgent, “I think I’ll feel better when I get my _Treat_.”

In his opening remarks, Doctor Treat again indulged in some pleasantry

at Newgent’s expense. He referred to his opponent as having been born

in Green County and cradled in a sugar trough. Newgent replied that he

had missed it four miles as to the place of his birth. The sugar trough

part of it, however, he did not deny; but as the trough had served well

to cradle the different members of his mother’s small family of nine

children, he was quite sure the rude cradle suffered no violence at his

hands.

The learned doctor further tried to discount the scholarship of his

opponent by referring to a postal card received from him on which

there were two words misspelled. To this Newgent also had an answer.

“Great speakers,” said he, “are usually deficient in other lines. I now

understand why the doctor is short on debating; all his strength has gone

into his spelling.”

The usual questions were discussed, six in number, the same as in

the great Holt debate. The arguments were listened to by thousands

of interested and enthusiastic spectators, among them ministers and

dignitaries of various denominations, and persons of prominence in

educational, political, and professional circles. As to the result of the

contest, Doctor Treat’s own confession, as brought out in the following

incident, will suffice:

A debate between Newgent and a Rev. Dr. J. W. Stone, of St. Louis,

Missouri, also a minister of prominence in the Christian Church, was

scheduled to take place a few weeks later. In the meantime Doctor

Stone, anxious to learn all he could concerning his opponent, sought

an interview with Doctor Treat. He met him at a church dedication at

which Treat was officiating. The two men, with others, were entertained

for dinner at the same home after the morning service. At an opportune

time, Doctor Stone introduced the subject in which he was especially

interested, and the following conversation between the two men took

place, being overheard and reported to Newgent by a gentleman who leaned

toward his side of the question:

“Are you acquainted with a United Brethren preacher in Indiana of the

name of Newgent?” Doctor Stone inquired.

“I am,” was President Treat’s answer.

“Did you not debate with him some time ago?”

“I did.”

“Is he a scholar?”

“I do not know.”

“Is he logical?”

“I cannot tell. He claimed that he went to school only a few months.”

“How long did you debate with him?”

“Six days.”

“What?” said Doctor Stone in astonishment, “You debated with him six

days, and could not tell whether or not he is educated?”

“Well,” continued the university president, in a meditative mood, “I will

say that he is—_forceful_.”

Doctor Stone looked blank for a moment, and then ventured with a smile,

“May be he whipped you?”

“I don’t know,” was the guarded answer, “but I am inclined to believe

that my people thought he did.” Observing that Stone was intensely

interested, Treat inquired:

“Are you thinking of debating with him?”

Stone answered in the affirmative.

“Can’t you get out of it in some honorable way?”

Stone replied that he was not wanting “out of it.”

“But you may want out of it,” was Treat’s not very assuring reply.

“Why, is he not fair in debate? Is he not a gentleman?”

“Yes,” answered Treat, “so much so that all your people who know him

love to be with him and hear him talk.” And the conversation drifted

into other channels. But Doctor Stone, being from Missouri, waited to be

shown. And the debate was held according to schedule.

About this time Doctor Stone was enjoying no small degree of notoriety.

He had debated with a Methodist minister in southern Illinois, and so

completely mastered him that he acknowledged his defeat in sack cloth and

ashes, and joined the Christian Church. Stone was taking advantage of his

newly-acquired popularity in waging a relentless war against the “sects,”

as he termed them, when some of the Pedo-Baptists secured Newgent to meet

him in debate. And the challenge was brought to the great, self-important

Doctor Stone.

“Newgent!” said this supposed Goliath with a contemptuous sneer. “He

can’t debate. He’s an Irish peddler who used to sell table-cloths in my

father’s neighborhood.” The committee informed him that they were willing

to risk their case with the Irish peddler. However, Stone’s visit to

Doctor Treat to get information concerning the Irishman would indicate

that his contempt was more feigned than real.

The debate was held in a small town in southern Illinois, where the

doctor had been making havoc of the “sects.” The table-cloth story became

current, and much speculation was indulged in concerning the supposed

vender of household commodities. His coming to the village was awaited

with intense interest. When the train on which he was scheduled to

arrive pulled in at the station, a curious and enthusiastic crowd was

waiting to get a view of the man who dared to dispute the wisdom of

Doctor Stone. As he stepped from the car, a gentleman who knew him said,

pointing him out, “There’s the table-cloth peddler.”

A hearty salute was given by the crowd. Newgent, having been apprised of

the story, was equal to the occasion. As soon as the hubbub ceased, he

addressed the crowd, turning the table-cloth story against his opponent

in the following speech:

“Gentlemen, if you have come here to buy table-cloths, you will be

disappointed. I have changed my occupation. I have been informed that

there is some fine stone in southern Illinois, so I have come down here

to set up my shop and spend a few days dressing Stone.”

The “Stone dressing” joke superseded the table-cloth story and became a

catch phrase throughout the debate.

It is likely that Stone often called to mind the friendly advice of

Doctor Treat, and regretted that he did not take it. He could cope

neither with the argument, the quick wit, nor the physical endurance of

his opponent. His voice failed completely, and the last two addresses

of Newgent were unanswered. The Stone-dressing business proved eminently

successful.

An amusing incident occurred in connection with a debate in Kentucky

with a Doctor Fairchilds, an eminent Baptist minister. A story came to

the ears of Doctor Fairchilds after he came on the ground, to the effect

that Newgent was a man of extraordinary scholarship, that he was master

of some thirteen languages, etc. The doctor was visibly disconcerted by

the story, and after hearing Newgent’s first address, was fully persuaded

that it was true, especially the part relating to the thirteen languages.

He was quite nervous, and utterly broke down about the middle of the

program, leaving the supposed master of thirteen languages easily master

of the situation.

While on his official rounds as superintendent of the Tennessee

Mission Conference, he once chanced to invade a Lutheran community,

which set in motion a train of influences that terminated in a debate

with a representative of that body. This was about eight miles from

Greenville. He was visiting a United Brethren family that had moved into

the community, and in company with his host, called at the district

school, and made a talk to the pupils. Through the influence of his

host, the school house was secured for a preaching service that evening.

Other influences then began to be felt, and the meeting was continued

indefinitely, resulting in a sweeping revival, the organization of a

United Brethren church, and the building and dedication of a church-house

within two months from the close of the revival.

This occasioned great concern among the Lutherans who lost quite heavily

as a result of the United Brethren invasion. To regain their lost ground,

they challenged Rev. Mr. Newgent to debate certain doctrinal questions

with a representative of their church. Newgent was then in his element,

in the debate, and answered that he would be ready at any time to

accommodate them.

The Lutheran champion was Dr. J. C. Miller, president of one of their

church schools. The much-mooted question as to what body constituted

the true church was the first taken up, Doctor Miller posing as the

representative of a church whose doctrines and usages are identical with

those taught and exemplified in the New Testament.

This placed upon Miller the Herculean task of defending the various

tenets and practices peculiar to his church. Among other specimens of

Lutheran creed, Newgent read the following: “The infant’s heart is

corrupt, and it cannot be saved unless baptized by a Lutheran minister

with heavenly, gracious water.” When asked if his church taught that,

Doctor Miller admitted that it did.

Newgent showed this bit of dogma up in a bad light by the use of an

object lesson. Borrowing a baby from a mother in the audience, he held

it up before the crowd, stating that the “little rascal’s” heart is

corrupt and its only chance for salvation was by being baptized according

to the Lutheran formula. “Now,” he continued, “I want this brother to

demonstrate to this audience how a baby must be saved. I want him to

change this baby’s heart from a state of corruption to a state of purity.

I want to see how a baby is saved, for, according to his theology, I have

three babies in hell.”

The brother winced under this outburst of sarcasm. He refused to baptize

the child, which, had he done so under the circumstances, would scarcely

have made his doctrine appear less obnoxious. Other peculiar Lutheran

tenets appeared to the same disadvantage under similar treatment, and

the church’s hope of gaining its lost ground completely vanished. The

debate popularized the United Brethren Church, giving it a strong hold

in the community. Flag Branch, a flourishing rural church, stands as a

monument to Rev. Mr. Newgent’s labors in that section.

Another contest worthy of special note was with a Baptist minister

at Blue Springs, Tennessee, in 1882. The mode of baptism was a live

question throughout that region. The battle line was drawn by the

Baptists and Pedo-Baptists. They finally agreed to have the question

discussed in a public debate, each side to furnish its champion. Three

churches were represented on the immersion side, and seven on the other.

The immersionists secured as their representative, Doctor Ingram, a

prominent Baptist divine of Virginia. Newgent was selected by the

anti-immersionists. The debate was to cover six propositions and to

continue six days, one subject being slated for each day.

The Baptists were very desirous of including infant baptism in the list

of subjects to be discussed. This was a question that Newgent had never

debated, and in which he had very little interest. But to accommodate

the Baptists, he consented to defend the practice of infant baptism. His

opponent proposed the question, stating it as follows: “_Resolved_, That

infants are fit subjects for baptism.” Newgent consented to affirm it.

It was slated for the second day. In his opening remarks, Newgent said:

“Mr. President, this is a peculiar question; but my brother wrote it and

insisted that I affirm it. It is peculiar from the fact that I am not

to prove that the child needs baptism, or that there is any command for

infant baptism, or that there ever was an infant baptized. I am simply

asked to prove that a child is a fit subject for baptism.”

At these remarks a storm of protest arose from the immersionists. They

expected him to defend the vast array of teaching that the various

Pedo-Baptist bodies had put forward on the subject.

“Keep cool,” he said to the immersionist part of the crowd as they

were clamoring for a hearing and creating no little confusion. “Doctor

Ingram and I signed these papers, and we agreed to be governed by the

board of moderators. This question simply deals with the child’s fitness

for baptism. I appeal to the moderators.” The moderators sustained his

position.

He then asked his opponent whether or not the Baptist Church would

baptize a subject until he was converted and became as a little child.

His opponent stated that it would not. This gave him a splendid

foundation for his address, and, at the same time, removed the last

foundation stone from under his opponent, so far as infant baptism was

concerned. He made an earnest and eloquent address, showing that the

child is a type of the heavenly citizen, and as such possesses special

fitness for all the sacraments of God’s house.

While he was talking, his attention was called to Doctor Ingram. The

doctor, grip in hand, was making rapid strides toward the railroad

station. His moderator and some friends were accompanying him, trying to

persuade him to remain. But he could endure it no longer.

The doctor’s retreat caused a great sensation, relished immensely by the

Pedo-Baptists, but a bitter dose to the immersionists. There were yet

four days of the program remaining. Newgent’s side demanded, as they were

paying him for his work, that he remain and carry out his part of the

program. This he did, but as the debate had only one end to it during

those four days, it spoiled the excitement, though it served well the

purpose of those who had employed him.

Among his later debates was one held in 1898 at Mechanicsville, Indiana.

Dr. J. W. Haw, of the Christian Church, was his opponent on this

occasion. Doctor Haw had been holding revival meetings in that part of

Indiana, and being dogmatic in style and controversially inclined, was

unsparing in his denunciations of other denominations. His aggressions

and criticisms were disturbing the equilibrium of some of the brethren

whose churches were being used as a target by this ecclesiastical

Nimrod. They wrote to Newgent, then in Tennessee, urging him to champion

their side against Doctor Haw in debate, offering him fifty dollars

per day and expenses for his time. He consented on condition that the

propositions were fair and that the reverend gentleman in question was a

representative man in his church.

He was referred to a two-column article in a current number of

the _Christian Standard_ relating to Doctor Haw. The article was

extravagant in the use of adjectives describing the doctor’s ability and

achievements, stating that he was the leading debater in the Christian

Church, having had more such battles than any other man in it at that

time. This was quite satisfactory to Newgent, as at that period he did

not care to waste any shot or shell on small game.

In this, as in all other such contests, Newgent abundantly sustained

his position and satisfied the expectations of his supporters. His

experience, self-control, complete mastery of the subjects in hand,

humor, and physical endurance made him an antagonist that even the

greatest debater in a debating church could illy cope with. The general

verdict of even Doctor Haw’s own sympathizers was that it was decidedly a

one-sided affair.

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