REPLY TO "BYSTANDER."

I approach this part of my prescribed duty with some hesitation, and not

a little reluctance. _Bystander_ is brilliant, learned, independent,

and honest; and for these qualities, though differing from him on

some important subjects, I entertain a respect and esteem amounting to

affection. I hope, therefore, that I may not write a word here having

even the semblance of discourtesy; for of that sort of treatment the

gentleman in question has had a full share since he honored Canadians by

casting his lot amongst us.

For the benefit of some readers who, possibly, may not have seen it, I

may say that _The Bystander_ is a "Monthly Review of Current Events,"

published in Toronto by Messrs. Hunter, Rose & Co., and written by a

certain distinguished literary gentleman, as referred to above, whose

name I would like to give here only that I feel in courtesy bound to

respect the "impersonality of journalism," the protection of which the

gentleman in question has the right, and with good reason, to claim.

The last three issues of _The Bystander_ (for April, May and June) have

each a paper on Col. Ingersoll, his lectures, and cognate subjects; the

general tone of which is very liberal, but, at the same time, containing

strictures upon Mr. Ingersoll and his teachings which I consider unfair

and unjust (unintentionally no doubt), and to which I here propose

briefly to reply.

Having heard Mr. Ingersoll lecture but once I am not in a position from

personal knowledge to speak fully as to the alleged "blasphemy," and

his general "tone" on the platform; but this much I can say, that

_Bystander's_ assertion that "he" (Ingersoll) "repels all decent men,

whatever their convictions; for no decent man likes blasphemy any more

than he likes obscenity," is certainly not true of the one lecture I

heard, or of the score of others of his I have read. I humbly claim

to be myself a "decent man," and I did not find myself "repelled" on

listening to Ingersoll's lecture, but rather attracted. I also saw many

decent people at the lecture (some from a distance), and they did not

seem repelled; but, like myself, well-pleased. In Toronto, according

to the reports in the _Evening Telegram_, there were large audiences of

decent, intelligent people: and instead of being repelled, they greeted

the lecturer with the most enthusiastic approbation and applause,

repeated over and over again. The same reception was accorded him in

Montreal, Belleville and Napanee.

Bystander contrasts Ingersoll's "offensive tone" on the platform with

the "gentleness and sympathy of the Christian preacher on Mars' Hill,"

who, he tells us, "delivered the truths he bore at once with the dignity

of simple earnestness, and with perfect tenderness towards the beliefs

which he came to supersede." Let us, for a moment, examine this claim

of "simple earnestness," and "perfect tenderness" in behalf of Paul the

great preacher of the New Testament. Paul says, (Roman iii. 7) "For if

the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory, why

yet am I also judged as a sinner?" He also tells us (2nd Cor. 12: 16)

that "being _crafty_, I caught you with guile," and likewise assures us

that he was "all things to all men;" to the Jews he "became as a Jew,"

etc. What "simple earnestness" this is truly! And the Church of Christ

has nearly always acted in accordance with this Scriptural doctrine that

in _lying_ for God's sake the "end justifies the means." Mosheim,

the ecclesiastical historian, tells us that in the early ages of the

Christian Church, "It was an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by

that means the interest of the church might be promoted."

As to Paul's "perfect tenderness toward the beliefs which he came to

supersede," let us look a little into that. In writing to the Galatians

he says [tenderly] "As we said before, so say I now again, if any man

preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him

be _accursed_." (Gal. 1:9.) That is tender toleration for you! Again,

"A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition, reject"

(Titus 4:9.) "I would they were even cut off which trouble you" (Gal.

5: 12.) We, Freethinkers, would stand a poor chance to-day if Paul's

precepts were carried out! Again, "If any man love not the Lord Jesus

Christ, let him be _Anathema Maranatha_" (1 Cor. 16: 22.)-What "perfect

tenderness" this is! With a vengeance are these curses and maledictions

tender! _Bystander_ may search in vain in Ingersoll's lectures, or any

Freethinkers' writings, for such consummate bigotry, intolerance, and

even cruelty as this "Christian preacher" pours out upon all who venture

to differ from him in belief. And what "perfect tenderness" in Paul

to denounce and stigmatize even those of his own church--his

co-religionists--as "_false apostles, deceitful workers, dogs, and

liars!_" Did _Bystander_ or anybody else ever hear such language from

Ingersoll or any other Freethinker? Is it not "offensive to any sensible

and right-minded man?" Does it not "repel all decent men?"

_Bystander_ admits that when Ingersoll "attacks dogmatic orthodoxy he

is in the right." What more does he attack? This is exactly what he does

attack, and _Bystander_ admits that in so doing he is doing right, thus

showing that he himself does not believe in dogmatic orthodoxy. Now, if

the Christian's God, as described in the Bible, is included in "dogmatic

orthodoxy" (and He surely must be) is Ingersoll blasphemous in attacking

Him? Surely not, according to _Bystander_ himself. _Bystander_ may say,

however, that he does not mean to include the Christian's God in

the "irrational and obsolete orthodoxy," against which he admits

"Ingersoll's arguments are really telling." But does _Bystander_ himself

believe in the God of the Bible? From the tenor of his language he

surely cannot. Does he believe in the God of whom the Bible itself gives

the following description? (For want of time to refer to, and space to

insert chapter and verse, they are not given, but every Bible reader

will recognize the passages given as substantially correct):--

"He burns with anger; his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue

as a devouring fire." "His fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks

are thrown down by him." "The Lord awaketh as one out of sleep, and like

a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine." "Smoke came out of his

nostrils, and fire out of his mouth, so that coals were kindled by it."

"He had horns coming out of his hand." "Out of his mouth went a sharp

two-edged sword." "The Lord shall roar from on high. He roareth from

his habitation. He shall shout as they that tread the grapes." "He is

a jealous God." "He stirred up jealousy." "He was jealous to fury."

"He rides upon horses." "The Lord is a man of war." "His anger will

be accomplished, and his fury rest upon them, and then he will be

_comforted!_" "His arrows shall be drunken with blood." "He is angry

with the wicked every day." "A fire is kindled in mine anger and shall

burn unto the lowest hell. I will heap mischief upon them; I will spend

my arrows upon them I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, and

the poison of the serpents... both the young man and the virgin, the

suckling also, and the man of gray hairs." [What did the "suckling" do

to merit this?] "He reserveth wrath for his enemies." "He became angry

and swore." "He cried and roared."

Does _Bystander_ believe in a God like that? whom it is "blasphemy," it

seems, for Ingersol to attack! It is true there are good qualities and

attributes ascribed to God by the Bible as well as bad; but that

does not affect the fact that these are ascribed to him; while the

co-existence of two diametrically opposite sets of attributes in the

same Being is simply absurd. Why is it blasphemy to attack such a

conception of God, any more than to attack any of the other Pagan gods

of antiquity? As he is represented in the Bible, He is certainly no

better than they; and _Bystander_ himself would have little hesitancy

in making an onslaught on the Pagan gods. When primitive Judaism and

Christianity set up a God for _our_ worship and adoration, and at

the same time tells us, "by the book," that He commanded the cruel,

fiendish, and indiscriminate murder of men, women, and innocent children,

we beg to decline to worship, or adore, or believe in any such Being;

and we do not think it "blasphemy" to attack the false belief and the

false God. When we read in the "word of God" that the Lord commanded

one of his prophets to diet on excrement; that the Lord met Moses at a

tavern and tried to kill him (see Exodus, 4, 24); that the sun and moon

stood still; that it rained forty days and nights, and that nearly the

whole world was drowned; that the first man--Adam--was made of clay, and

Eve of a rib, about 6000 years ago; that the world was made in six days,

and that vegetation flourished before there was any sun,--when we read

of all these wonderful things, we beg to be excused from believing them,

and claim the right to ridicule them to our heart's content. If this is

"disrespect," or "insult," or an "ignoble spirit of irreverence," then

we plead guilty to the charge, and are willing to abide by it.

We do not deny that there may be a God; we only deny the existence

of such a one as the Bible sets forth. We attack only the gods whom

barbarous peoples have fashioned in their own imaginations and set up

for our worship, and not any high or noble conception of a Deity. We

fully admit the existence of a great and mysterious power or force in

the universe which we cannot understand or comprehend. We believe with

Spencer in the great _Unknown_ and _Unknowable_, and have no "attack"

to make upon this power, no word of ridicule, no blasphemy; but, like

Tyndall, stand in its presence with reverence and awe, acknowledging our

ignorance.

While, however, acknowledging this unseen Power, we decline to

anthropomorphise it--to call it a _person_ or _being_, and invest it

with mental and moral functions similar to our own, differing only in

degree not in kind. It is only the anthropomorphism we attack--only

the superstitions, assumptions and dogmas. We only attack that which

is incredible and absurd--that which "shocks reason." We believe in

religion--the Religion of Humanity--to do right--a religion of _works_

instead of faith and creeds, and _Bystander_ himself admits that

"religion is carrying a weight which it cannot bear," and that, "unless

the credible can be separated from the incredible, the reasonable from

that which shocks reason, there will be a total eclipse of faith."

"The Cosmogony of Moses," says _Bystander_, "will, of course not bear

the scrutiny of modern science; few probably are now so bigoted as

to maintain that it will." If it will not bear such scrutiny, is it

blasphemy to attack it, or its author? for the God of the Bible is the

alleged author of that Cosmogony, inspiring Moses or whoever wrote it.

But _Bystander_ further remarks that the Mosaic Cosmogony "need not fear

comparison with the Cosmogony of any other race." We thank him for that

favor. It is exactly what we claim, to wit, that the Cosmogony of Moses,

like all the others, is simply a human production, for it would be

absurd to talk of "comparing" an _inspired_ Cosmogony of _divine origin_

with _human_ Cosmogonies. Hence, according to _Bystander_ himself, the

Mosaic Cosmogony is simply, like the rest, human: only he thinks it a

little better than the others. It will not, however, "bear the scrutiny

of modern science." Very likely not! What then, becomes of the "fall

of man," the "redemption" the "Ideal Man," and the whole Christian

Superstructure which rests upon the Mosaic Cosmogony? If the pillars are

taken away the building _must_ come down.

It is also admitted by _Bystander_ that "The moral code of Moses is

tribal and primeval; it is alien to us who live under the ethical

conditions of high civilization and the Religion of Humanity." Precisely

so! And for this magnificent favor also, we again thank _Bystander_. No

materialist or utilitarian could have possibly put it better; albeit a

Christian would experience some moral obfuscation in trying to make out

why, if the "moral code of Moses" is from heaven, it should be "alien

to us" and to these times? He would be hardly able to understand why he

should be comparing his _Divine_ code with _Pagan_ codes to see whether

it is "worse or better than other codes framed in the same stage of

human progress?" Let the Freethinkers take courage. _Bystander_, to

all appearances, will soon be squarely on our side; and then we can

truthfully say, that though the Christians have the greatest scientist,

probably, in Canada (Prof. Dawson, of Montreal,) on their side, we will

have the greatest scholar, historian and _literateur_ in Canada on _our_

side. Three cheers in the Liberal camp for _Bystander!_ Indeed, we have

some hopes, too, even of Prof. Dawson, whose Mosaic orthodoxy seems to

be relaxing a little of late; and he evidently feels his isolation, his

scientific brethren all being on our side.

While writing this, the Montreal _Daily Witness_ of June 15th, 1880,

comes to hand from a Freethought octogenarian friend in Port Hope (Wm.

Sisson, Esq.) with the familiar pencil mark, drawing my attention to a

report of the proceedings of "The Congregational Union," at present in

session in Montreal. From it I learn that Rev. Hugh Pedley, B. A., made

an address before the _Union_ on "The Freethought of the Age," from

which I cull the following, as reported in the _Witness_:--

"One of the principal difficulties," he said (of the clergy), "was the

prevalence of freethought among the people. There was a time when the

New Testament was received by almost everybody * * * But things had

changed * * * Some time ago the weapons of skilled historians were

turned first against the Old and then against the New Testament * * *

Dr. Norman McLeod, writing from Germany, said, 'I am informed on

credible testimony that ninety-nine out of every hundred persons here

are sceptics.' * * * Germany was to-day more Pagan than Christian * * *

The press passed up and down the land, scattering into every home things

which set men thinking." [Ah! there is the secret; when men begin to

think and reason on theological subjects as they do on secular, good-bye

creeds! goodbye confessions!] "Goldwin Smith, a man who had so studied

the past as to be able to interpret the present, had told us that a

religious collapse of the most complete and tremendous character was

apparent on every hand." It was only very recently that a sceptical work

on 'Supernatural Religion' passed through a number of editions in a few

months. Col. Ingersoll had recently visited the country. He came, he

saw, and in some sense he conquered. (Cries of No! No!) The second night

he had a much larger attendance than on the first. No matter who, ran

Ingersoll down, he was a man of great power of oratory and strong in

those qualities which control audiences.

The Rev. gentleman then referred deprecatingly to the inadequate-college

training of theological students in "apologetics," as they were not

allowed to read the works of sceptics for themselves, but had to take

their tutors' version of the sceptics' arguments. This "putting up a

little argument and then knocking it down," he said was neither "the

fair nor the true way." He recommended putting "the very sceptical works

into the hands of the students, and he would even say to go and hear

Ingersoll if he came."

That "man's idea of God rises with his progress in civilization,"

_Bystander_ admits; but he attempts to explain the fact away on theistic

grounds, and dilute its strength as an argument that God is simply a

projection of the human mind. He asks:--

"If this conception" (a conception of God) "flows from no reality, from

what does it flow? It is a phenomenon of which, as of other phenomena,

there must be some explanation; and we have not yet chanced to see

in the writings of any Agnostic an explanation which seemed at all

satisfactory."

I would respectfully suggest to _Bystander_ that there _is_ a

satisfactory explanation, though to him it may not be so. In answering

his question I will ask another. If the conception of, or belief in, a

devil or devils, flows from no reality, from what does it flow? The same

of witches, fairies, sprites, hob-goblins, _et hoc genus omne_. Belief

in these is quite as general as belief in God, though _Bystander's_

question seems to assume that belief in the latter is universal.

This, however, is not the case, as has been conclusively shown in the

foregoing reply to Wend-ling. Therefore, this "conception" argument,

like the famous "design" argument, proves too much, and consequently

proves nothing. As to the _origin_ of the belief in spiritual agencies,

and conceptions of God, Darwin tells us it is not difficult to

comprehend how they arose. He says, "Descent of Man," vol. i, p. 63-5:--

"As soon as the important faculties of imagination, wonder, and

curiosity, together with some power of reasoning, had become partially

developed, man would naturally have craved to understand what was

passing around him, and have vaguely speculated on his own existence * *

* The belief in spiritual agencies would easily pass into the belief of

one or more Gods."

_Bystander_, while freely admitting that the Theistic theory is

compassed with difficulties; and requires "re-statement," reminds us

that the-"materialistic hypothesis is not free from difficulty." The

difficulty he discovers in materialism relates to the order of priority

of matter and force. He asks:--

"Which of the two is the First Principle? Force cannot have been

produced by matter, for without force, matter cannot move, change, or

generate at all. Matter cannot have been produced by force, because

force is nothing but the impulsion of matter. Apparently there must have

been something before both, which produced them and determined their

relations; and it must be something beyond the range of sense."

_Bystander_. I think, has not correctly apprehended the materialistic

position here, and hence the argument for a "something before both

matter and force which produced them," being built upon a postulated

premiss which we cannot accept, has no weight in establishing the

existence of a God behind matter and force. His error lies in the

assumption of the possibility of matter and force existing separately

and independently. He asks, "Which of the two is the First Principle?"

Our answer is, there can be no _first_ as between matter and force,

for there can be no matter without force, and _vice versa_. The two are

inseparable, even in conception, and the existence of one is absolutely

essential to the existence of the other. Hence the argument proceeding

from the assumption of their divisibility and possible independence

fails. The Theist has no right whatever, logically speaking, to assume

that there "must have been something before matter and force which

produced them." So long as matter and force are amply adequate (as far

as we can discern) to the production of all cognizable phenomena, we

are not warranted in assuming the existence of any being or thing behind

them. As soon as the Theist does this, we have the logical right to

carry his reasoning further, and at once assume something else behind

it again, and thus not only one but a thousand gods could be postulated

without the shadow of real proof of one of them.

There is an ultimate ground, however, upon which the Theist and

Materialist may meet in common, and, so far as I can see, the only

ultimate position they can occupy in perfect corelation. The universe

exists; man as a part of the universe--a mode of existence--is here;

in this we agree. Man, then, being himself the highest intelligence

he knows of, continually seeks an explanation of the universe and of

himself as a part of it. This is the common ground upon which we

all stand--Rationalist, Theist, Agnostic, Atheist--barbarous and

civilized--the weakest and the mightiest intellect.

All seek to explain the great mystery of the universe--some one way,

some another--from the rude thaumaturgic fancies of the primitive

barbarian up to the abstruse speculations and subtle reasonings of the

cultured Pantheist, intellectual Agnostic, and logical Materialist.

It is true one may be more reasonable and logical than the rest (as I

undoubtedly think is the case), yet they all occupy the common ground of

uncertainty. Not one can _demonstrate_ his position, and in this we are

all alike. (One, however, among all the rest thinks he _knows_ he is

_right_ and can prove it, viz., the dogmatic Christian Theist.) We may

all, therefore, stand together in the presence of Nature and acknowledge

our ignorance. Though each school has its theory, its hypothesis, its

solution, yet the mystery of the mighty universe is still an unsolved

problem.

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