SIR RICHARD AND MR. BRISBANE DISCUSS, AND DI LISTENS.

"My dear sir," said Sir Richard Brandon, over a glass of sherry one

evening after dinner, to George Brisbane, Esquire of Lively Hall, "the

management of the poor is a difficult, a very difficult subject to deal

with."

"It is, unquestionably," assented Brisbane, "so difficult, that I am

afraid some of our legislators are unwilling to face it; but it ought to

be faced, for there is much to be done in the way of improving the

poor-laws, which at present tend to foster pauperism in the young, and

bear heavily on the aged. Meanwhile, philanthropists find it necessary

to take up the case of the poor as a private enterprise."

"Pardon me, Brisbane, there I think you are in error. Everything

requisite to afford relief to the poor is provided by the state. If the

poor will not take advantage of the provision, or the machinery is not

well oiled and worked by the officials, the remedy lies in greater

wisdom on the part of the poor, and supervision of officials--not in

further legislation. But what do you mean by our poor-laws bearing

heavily on the aged?"

"I mean that the old people should be better cared for, simply because

of their age. Great age is a sufficient argument of itself, I think,

for throwing a veil of oblivion over the past, and extending charity

with a liberal, pitying hand, because of present distress, and

irremediable infirmities. Whatever may be the truth with regard to

paupers and workhouses in general, there ought to be a distinct refuge

for the aged, which should be attractive--not repulsive, as at present--

and age, without reference to character or antecedents, should

constitute the title to enter it. `God pity the aged poor,' is often my

prayer, `and enable us to feel more for them in the dreary, pitiful

termination of their career.'"

"But, my dear sir," returned Sir Richard, "you would have old paupers

crowding into such workhouses, or refuges as you call them, by the

thousand."

"Well, better that they should do so than that they should die miserably

by thousands in filthy and empty rooms--sometimes without fire, or food,

or physic, or a single word of kindness to ease their sad descent into

the grave."

"But, then, Brisbane, as I said, it is their own fault--they have the

workhouse to go to."

"But, then, as _I_ said, Sir Richard, the workhouse is rendered so

repulsive to them that they keep out of it as long as they can, and too

often keep out so long that it is too late, and their end is as I have

described. However, until things are better arranged, we must do what

we can for them in a private way. Indeed Scripture teaches distinctly

the necessity for private charity, by such words as--`the poor ye have

always with you,' and, `blessed are they who consider the poor.' Don't

you agree with me, Mr Welland?"

Stephen Welland--who, since the day of his accident, had become intimate

with Mr Brisbane and Sir Richard--replied that although deeply

interested in the discussion going on, his knowledge of the subject was

too slight to justify his holding any decided opinion.

"Take another glass of sherry," said Sir Richard, pushing the decanter

towards the young man; "it will stir your brain and enable you to see

your way more clearly through this knotty point."

"No more, thank you, Sir Richard."

"Come, come--fill your glass," said the knight; "you and I must set an

example of moderate drinking to Brisbane, as a counter-blast to his

Blue-Ribbonism."

Welland smiled and re-filled his glass.

"Nay, I never thrust my opinions on that point on people," said

Brisbane, with a laugh, "but if you _will_ draw the sword and challenge

me, I won't refuse the combat!"

"No, no, Brisbane. Please spare us! I re-sheath the sword, and need

not that you should go all over it again. I quite understand that you

are no bigot, that you think the Bible clearly permits and encourages

total abstinence in certain circumstances, though it does not teach it;

that, although a total abstainer yourself, you do not refuse to give

drink to your friends if they desire it--and all that sort of thing; but

pray let it pass, and I won't offend again."

"Ah, Sir Richard, you are an unfair foe. You draw your sword to give me

a wound through our young friend, and then sheath it before I can return

on you. However, you have stated my position so well that I forgive you

and shake hands. But, to return to the matter of private charity, are

you aware how little suffices to support the poor--how very far the mere

crumbs that fall from a rich man's table will go to sustain them I Now,

just take the glass of wine which Welland has swallowed--against his

expressed wish, observe, and merely to oblige you, Sir Richard. Its

value is, say, sixpence. Excuse me, I do not of course refer to its

real value, but to its recognised restaurant-value! Well, I happened

the other day to be at a meeting of old women at the `Beehive' in

Spitalfields; there were some eighty or a hundred of them. With dim

eyes and trembling fingers they were sewing garments for the boys who

are to be sent out to Canada. Such feeble workers could not find

employment elsewhere, but by liberal hearts a plan has been devised

whereby many an aged one, past work, can earn a few pence. Twopence an

hour is the pay. They are in the habit of meeting once a week for three

hours, and thus earn sixpence. Many of these women, I may remark, are

true Christians. I wondered how far such a sum would go, and how the

poor old things spent it. One woman sixty-three years of age

enlightened me. She was a feeble old creature, suffering from chronic

rheumatism and a dislocated hip. When I questioned her she said--`I

have difficulties indeed, but I tell my Father all. Sometimes, when I'm

very hungry and have nothing to eat, I tell Him, and I know He hears me,

for He takes the feeling away, and it only leaves me a little faint.'

"`But how do you spend the sixpence that you earn here?' I asked.

"`Well, sir,' she said, `sometimes, when very hard-up, I spend part of

it this way:--I buy a hap'orth o' tea, a hap'orth o' sugar, a hap'orth

o' drippin', a hap'orth o' wood and a penn'orth o' bread. Sometimes

when better off than usual I get a heap of coals at a time, perhaps

quarter of a hundredweight, because I save a farthing by getting the

whole quarter, an' that lasts me a long time, and wi' the farthing I

mayhap treat myself to a drop o' milk. Sometimes, too, I buy my

penn'orth o' wood from the coopers and chop it myself, for I can make it

go further that way.'

"So, you see, Welland," continued Brisbane, "your glass of sherry would

have gone a long way in the domestic calculations of a poor old woman,

who very likely once had sons who were as fond of her and as proud of

her, as you now are of your own mother."

"It is very sad that any class of human beings should be reduced to so

low an ebb," returned the young man seriously.

"Yes, and it is very difficult," said Sir Richard, "to reduce one's

mental action so as to fully understand the exact bearing of such minute

monetary arrangements, especially for one who is accustomed to regard

the subject of finance from a different standpoint."

"But the saddest thing of all to me, and the most difficult to

understand," resumed Brisbane, "is the state of mind and feeling of

those professing Christians, who, with ample means, give exceedingly

little towards the alleviation of such distress, take little or no

interest in the condition of the poor, and allow as much waste in their

establishments as would, if turned to account, become streamlets of

absolute wealth to many of the destitute."

This latter remark was a thrust which told pretty severely on the host--

all the more so, perhaps, that he knew Brisbane did not intend it as a

thrust at all, for he was utterly ignorant of the fact that his friend

seldom gave anything away in charity, and even found it difficult to pay

his way and make the two ends meet with his poor little five thousand a

year--for, you see, if a man has to keep up a fairly large

establishment, with a town and country house, and have his yacht, and a

good stable, and indulge in betting, and give frequent dinners, and take

shootings in Scotland, and amuse himself with jewellery, etcetera, why,

he must pay for it, you know!

"The greatest trouble of these poor women, I found," continued Brisbane,

"is their rent, which varies from 2 shillings to 3 shillings a week for

their little rooms, and it is a constant struggle with them to keep out

of `the House,' so greatly dreaded by the respectable poor. One of them

told me she had lately saved up a shilling with which she bought a pair

of `specs,' and was greatly comforted thereby, for they helped her

fading eyesight. I thought at the time what a deal of good might be

done and comfort given if people whose sight is changing would send

their disused spectacles to the home of Industry in Commercial Street,

Spitalfields, for the poor. By the way, your sight must have changed

more than once, Sir Richard! Have you not a pair or two of disused

spectacles to spare?"

"Well, yes, I have a pair or two, but they have gold rims, which would

be rather incongruous on the noses of poor people, don't you think?"

"Oh! by no means. We could manage to convert the rims into blue steel,

and leave something over for sugar and tea."

"Well, I'll send them," said Sir Richard with a laugh. "By the way, you

mentioned a plan whereby those poor women were enabled to do useful

work, although too old for much. What plan might that be?"

"It is a very simple plan," answered Brisbane, "and consists chiefly in

the work being apportioned according to ability. Worn garments and odds

and ends of stuff are sent to the Beehive from all parts of the country

by sympathising friends. These are heaped together in one corner of the

room where the poor old things work. Down before this mass of stuff are

set certain of the company who have large constructive powers. These

skilfully contrive, cut out, alter, and piece together all kinds of

clothing, including the house slippers and Glengarry caps worn by the

little rescued boys. Even handkerchiefs and babies' long frocks are

conjured out of a petticoat or muslin lining! The work, thus selected

and arranged, is put into the hands of those who, though not skilful in

originating, have the plodding patience to carry out the designs of the

more ingenious, and so garments are produced to cover the shivering

limbs of any destitute child that may enter the Refuge as well as to

complete the outfits of the little emigrants."

"Well, Brisbane, I freely confess," said Sir Richard, "that you have

roused a degree of interest in poor old women which I never felt before,

and it does seem to me that we might do a good deal more for them with

our mere superfluities and cast-off clothing. Do the old women receive

any food on these working nights besides the pence they earn?"

"No, I am sorry to say they do not--at least not usually. You see it

takes a hundred or more sixpences every Monday merely to keep that

sewing-class going, and more than once there has been a talk of closing

it for want of funds, but the poor creatures have pleaded so pitifully

that they might still be allowed to attend, even though they should work

at _half-price_, that it has been hitherto continued. You see it is a

matter of no small moment for those women merely to spend three hours in

a room with a good fire, besides which they delight in the hymns and

prayers and the loving counsel and comfort they receive. It enables

them to go out into the cold, even though hungry, with more heart and

trust in God as they limp slowly back again to their fireless grates and

bare cupboards.

"The day on which I visited the place I could not bear the thought of

this, so I gave a sovereign to let them have a good meal. This

sufficed. Large kettles are always kept in readiness for such

occasions. These were put on immediately by the matron. The elder

girls in training on the floor above set to work to cut thick slices of

bread and butter, the tea urns were soon brought down, and in twenty

minutes I had the satisfaction of seeing the whole hundred eating

heartily and enjoying a hot meal. My own soul was fed, too--for the

words came to me, `I was an hungered and ye gave me meat,' and one old

woman, sitting near me, said, `I have a long walk home, and have been

casting over in my mind all the afternoon whether I could spare a penny

for a cup of tea on the way. How good the Lord is to send this!'"

With large, round, glittering eyes and parted lips, and heightened

colour and varying expression, sat little Di Brandon at her father's

elbow, almost motionless, her little hands clasped tight, and uttering

never a word, but gazing intently at the speakers and drinking it all

in, while sorrow, surprise, sympathy, indignation, and intense pity

stirred her little heart to its very centre.

In the nursery she retailed it all over, with an eager face and rapid

commentary, to the sympathetic Mrs Screwbury, and finally, in bed,

presided over millions of old women who made up mountains of old

garments, devoured fields of buttered bread, and drank oceans of

steaming tea!

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