"Me and Zack is gwine to tell you how it is. We is old and ain't no need

fer old folks to try and fool. I is too shame to beg. I wants de

pension. Is you gwine to tell me 'bout it? Dis de truth, I is took a

chip fer food. If I could got to school and write fast as I can shake my

fist, I'd be a-giving out dat pension right fast. I likes character and

principle. I got a boy turned into 64 years. He got character and

principle, and he still do what I say. I never put my mouth amongst old

folks when I was young. Me and Zack often talks over old times."

Source: Elias Dawkins (84), Rt. 1, Gaffney, S. C.

Interviewer: Caldwell Sims, Union, S. C. 8/20/37.

Project 1885-1

FOLKLORE

Spartanburg Dist. 4

June 3, 1937

Edited by:

Elmer Turnage

STORIES OF EX-SLAVES

Upon learning where an ex-slave lived, the writer walked up to a house

on Pickenpack street where two old colored men were sitting on the front

porch. Asked if one of them was named 'Will Dill', the blacker of the

two motioned to himself and said,

"Come here, come in and have a seat," at the same time touching the

porch swing beside him.

He acknowledged that he lived in slavery days, "but was a small boy,

walking and playing around at that time". His master was Zeek Long, who

lived in Anderson County not far from "Three and Twenty Mile Creek' and

used to ask him:--what the rooster said, what the cow said, what the pig

said; and used to get a great deal of amusement out of his kiddish

replies and imitation of each animal and fowl. From his own calculation,

he figured he was born in 1862 in the home of his mother who was owned

by Zeek Long. His father, also, was owned by the same master, but lived

in another house. He remembers when the Yankees came by and asked for

something to eat. When they had gotten this, they went to the corn crib,

which was chock full of corn, and took the corn out, shucked it, and

gave it to their horses. All the good horses had been hidden in the

woods and only two or three old poor ones were left in the stables, but

the Yankees did not take these for they only wanted good horses. He

remembers seeing the patrollers coming around and checking up on the

'niggers'. He had an uncle who used to slip off every night and go to

see some colored girl. He had a path that he followed in going to her

house.

"One night Uncle Bob, he started to go see his gal, and it was pretty

late, but he followed his path. There were some paterollers out looking

for him, and t'rectly they saw him. Uncle Bob lit out running and the

paterollers started running, too. Here they had it up and down the path.

Uncle Bob, he knew there was a big ditch crossing the path, but the

paterollers didn't know it; so when Uncle Bob got to the gully, he

jumped right over it and run on, but one of the patrollers fell into the

gully and broke his neck. After dat, Uncle Bob, he stayed in and kept

quiet, for he knew the paterollers had it in for him."

He asked the writer if he had ever heard a chicken talk. He said that he

had, and described a scene at the house one day when a preacher was

there. The chickens and guineas came around the house as usual to get

their feed, but didn't get it. He "quoted" the rooster as saying; "Has

the preacher gone yet?" A guinea hen answered, "not yet--not yet".

He said that he often heard turkeys talk. They would ask each other

questions, and another fowl would answer. He once heard a mule that was

in the barn, say: "Lord! Lord! All I want is corn and fodder."

Being told by the negro who was sitting beside him, that he did not

believe animals and fowls could talk, he at once said:

"Sure--roosters and gobblers can talk, one day there was a turkey hen

and a lots of little turkeys scratching around a certain place on a

hill, the little turkeys were heard to say, 'Please mam, please mam'. An

old gobbler standing and strutting near, cried out, 'Get the hell out of

here'. The turkey hen then moved to another place to feed."

He said that he gets out in his porch early in the mornings and whistles

to the birds, and that soon a large flock of birds are all around him.

Offering to demonstrate his ability, he began to whistle in a peculiar

way. Soon thereafter, two or three English sparrows flew into the yard

from nearby trees.

"See thar! See thar!" he said, pointing to them.

"When the war was over," he continued, "we stayed on at Marster's

plantation for some time. I grew up, and was always a fellow who liked

hard work. I have railroaded, was a tree doctor, helped dig wells and

did a lot of hard work. The white people was always pleased with my work

and told me so. I went down a well once to help clean it out. It looked

like to me that well was caving in above me; so I hollered for them to

pull me out. When I got out, I told them I wasn't going down no wells

any more unless somebody threw me in."

He said that he had seen lots of wild turkeys when he was a boy. One day

when he was going to get some "bacco" for his aunt, he saw a hen and a

lot of little turkeys--

"I run after the little wild turkeys but I never kotched a one. That old

mother hen would fly from one limb in a tree to another limb in another

tree and call them. They was the runningest things I ever saw. I nearly

run myself to death but I never did get one."

Every now and them, he said, one of the men on the plantation would

shoot a wild hog and we would have plenty of meat to eat. The hogs ran

wild in those days, he said.

"I never saw a ghost," he said, "unless it was one night when we boys

was out with our dogs 'possum hunting. The dogs treed a possum in a

little scrubby tree. I was always a good climber; so I went up the tree

to shake the 'possum out. I shook and shook but the 'possum would not

fall out of the tree. I shook so hard that my hat fell off and I told

the niggers not to let the dogs tear my hat. That was no skunk in the

tree, 'cause we couldn't smell anything, but when I looked again at the

'possum, or whatever it was, it got bigger and bigger. I scrambled down

the tree right away, nearly falling out of it, but I wanted to get away.

The dogs acted kinda scared; yet they would run up to the tree and bark.

One old dog I had did not bark, he just hollered. We left the thing in

the tree. I don't know what it was, but it warn't no 'possum, for I'd

shook it out of the tree if it had been."

In further discussing the subject of fowls in talking among themselves,

he said that he had often noticed a rooster and some hens standing

around in the shade talking.

"The rooster will say something and the hens will listen; then answer

him back, 'yes'. One day I heard a turkey hen say, 'we are poor, we are

poor'. The old turkey gobbler said, 'well, who in the hell can help it.'

Yes sir, they talk just like we do, but 'taint everybody can understand

'em."

He said that he had fifteen children by his first wife. He remained

single for thirteen years after his wife's death, and never had any

children by his second wife.

"Do you reckon we'll ever get a pension in our old age?" he asked. "It

seems to me they would give us old fellows something to live on, for we

can't work. How can we live now-a-days? When a man has done good work

when he was able, the country ought to take care of him in his old age.

"I was a hand for hard work all my life. I was raised that way; but now,

that I can't do nothing, it looks like the state ought to take care of

me.

"My father told me when I was sitting up to a gal and I told him I was

gwinter marry her, 'Son don't you never cut that woman across the back,

for as sure as you do, that cut will be against you on Judgement Day."

"When I was laid up with the misery in my side, my feet swelled up and

busted, and I had a awful hurting in my side and back. People wanted me

to believe I had been conjured, but I did not believe it, and I told

them I would eat all the stuff that a conjure man could bring. Anybody

that believes in conjuring is just a liar. God is the only a person who

can bring suffering on people. He don't want to do it, but it's because

we do something He don't want us to when He makes people suffer. It is

the bugger man that does it."

"Uncle" Will said that his father and mother were married by a

"jack-leg" preacher who, when told that they wanted to get married, had

them both to jump backwards and forwards over a broom. He then told them

that they were man and wife.

Source: Will Dill, 555 Pickenpack St., Spartanburg, S. C.

Interviewer: F. S. DuPre, Spartanburg, Dist. 4 5/19/37

W. W. Dixon

Winnsboro, S. C.

THOMAS DIXON

EX-SLAVE 75 YEARS OLD.

Tom Dixon, a mulatto, is a superannuated minister of the Gospel. He

lives in Winnsboro, S. C., at the corner of Moultrie and Crawford

Streets. He is duly certified and registered as an old age pensioner and

draws a pension of $8.00 per month from the Welfare Board of South

Carolina. He is incapable of laborious exercise.

"I was born in 1862, thirteen miles northeast of Columbia, S. C., on the

border line of Kershaw and Fairfield Counties. My mother was a slave of

Captain Moultrie Gibbes. My father was white, as you can see. My mother

was the cook for my white folks; her name was Malinda. She was born a

slave of Mr. Tillman Lee Dixon of Liberty Hill. After she learned to

cook, my marster bought her from her master and paid $1,200.00 for her.

After freedom, us took the name of Dixon.

"My mistress in slavery time was Miss Mary. She was a Clark before she

married Marse Moultrie. I was nothing but a baby when the war ended and

freedom come to our race. I lived on my marster's Wateree River

plantation, with mother, until he sold it and went into the hotel

business at Union, S. C.

"My mother then went to Columbia, S. C., and I attended Benedict

College. I became a preacher in 1886, the year of the earthquake. That

earthquake drove many sinners to their knees, me amongst them; and, when

I got up, I resolved to be a soldier of the cross, and every since I

have carried the shield of faith in my left hand and the sword of the

Word in my right hand.

"The night I was converted, the moon was shining brightly. We was all at

a revival meeting out from Blythewood, then called Dako, S. C. First, we

heard a low murmur or rolling sound like distant thunder, immediately

followed by the swaying of the church and a cracking sound from the

joists and rafters of the building. The women folks set up a screaming.

The men folks set up a hollering: 'Oh Lordy! Jesus save me! We believe!

Come Almighty King!' The preacher tried to quiet us, but we run out the

church in the moonlight, men and women crying and praying. The preacher,

Rev. Charlie Moore, continued the services outside and opened the doors

of the church, and every blessed soul come forward and joined the

church.

"I married Fannie Irwin, and God blessed us all the days of her life. My

daughter, Maggie, married a Collins and lives in the Harlem section of

New York City. My daughter, Sallie, lives also in Harlem, Greenville

Village. Malinda, named for my mother, lives and works in Columbia, S.

C.

"On the death of my wife, Fannie, I courted and married the widow Lizzie

Williams. The house we live in is her own property. She had two children

when we married, a boy and a girl. The boy got killed at the schoolhouse

two years ago. The girl is working in Columbia, S. C. I am a

superannuated minister of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, and

receive a small sum of money from the denomination, yearly. The amount

varies in different years. At no time is it sufficient to keep me in

food and clothing and support.

"I have taken nothing to do with politics all my life, but my race has

been completely transformed, in that regard, since Mr. Roosevelt has

been President. Left to a popular vote of the race, Mr. Roosevelt would

get the solid South, against any other man on any ticket he might run

on. He is God Almighty's gentleman. By that, I mean he is brave in the

presence of the blue-bloods, kind in the presence of the common people,

and gentle to the lowly and despised Negro."

Project 1885-1

Folklore

Spartanburg, Dist. 4

Dec. 1, 1937

Edited by: Elmer Turnage

[~HW: (Dorroh~]

STORIES FROM EX-SLAVES

"I live wid my daughter in a four-room house which we rents from Doc

Hunter. He got it in charge. My husband died several years ago.

"My daddy was Harvey Pratt, and he belonged to Marse Bob Pratt in

Newberry. My mammy was Mary Fair, and she belonged in slavery to marse

Simeon Fair. When dey married dey had a big wedding. Marse didn't make

slave women marry men if dey didn't want to. Befo' my mammy and daddy

married, somebody give a note to take to Mrs. Fair, her mistress.

Mistress wouldn't tell what was in it, but daddy run every step of de

way, he was so glad dey would let 'em marry.

"Col. Simeon Fair had a big fish pond on his place down on de branch

behind his house, and he had a milkhouse, too. (This is where the

Margaret Hunter Park is).

"My great-grandmother come from Virginia. She was bought by Marse Fair

from a speculator's drove. Slaves had good places to live in and

everything to eat. Old Marse sho cared for his slaves. He give 'em

plenty of clothes and good things to eat. On Sundays dey had to go to de

white folks' church and he made dem put on new clean clothes dat he give

'em.

"I was born about two years befo' freedom, and I lost my mammy right

atter de war. I remember about de Ku Klux and Red Shirts.

"Everything we had was made at home, or on marster's big plantation in

de country. Marse told his son, Billy, befo' he died to take care of his

niggers and see dat dey didn't want for nothing.

"Marse made de slaves work all day and sometimes on Saturdays, but he

never let 'em work at night. Sometimes on de plantation dey had

corn-shuckings and log-rollings; den dey give de hands good dinners and

some whiskey to drink.

"One old nigger had a weak back and couldn't work much, so he use to

play marbles in de yard wid de kids most every day.

"Slaves couldn't go away from de place unless dey had a pass from de

marse to show de patrollers when dey caught dem out.

"My daddy use to cook at de old Newberry Hotel. He was one of de finest

cooks in dis part of de country. De hotel was a small wooden frame

building wid a long front piazza. In de back was a small wooden two-room

house dat servants lived in. Atter de war, de 'little guard house' stood

jes' behind where de opera house now is.

"Some of de slaves learned to read and write. Marse didn't keep dem from

learning if dey wanted to. Niggers used to sing, 'I am born to die'. Dey

learn't it from Marse Ramage's son, 'Jock' Ramage. He learn't 'em to

sing it.

"Atter de war, Marse told de niggers dey was free. Most of dem stayed on

wid him and took his name. Slaves most always took de name of deir

marsters.

"My mother married at Thomas Pope's place, and he had old man Ned

Pearson, a nigger who could read and write, to marry 'em. He married

lots of niggers den. Atter de war many niggers married over agin, 'cause

dey didn't know if de first marriage was good or not.

"Marse Fair let his niggers have dances and frolics on his plantation,

and on Saturdays dey danced till 12 o'clock midnight. Sometimes dey

danced jigs, too, in a circle, jumping up and down. In dese times de

young folks dance way into Sunday mornings, and nobody to stop 'em, but

Marse wouldn't let his slaves dance atter 12 o'clock.

"Everybody believed in ghosts. Nobody would pass by a graveyard on a

dark night, and dese days dey go to cemeteries to do deir mischief, at

night and not afraid. Doctors used to have home-made medicines. Old Dr.

Brown made medicine from a root herb to cure rheumatism. He called it

'rhue'. He lived in what is now called Graveltown. His old house has

been torn down. He made hot teas from barks for fevers. He made a liquid

salve to rub on for rheumatism.

"When freedom come most of de slaves stayed on. Some man come here to

make a speech to de slaves. He spoke in Marse Fair's yard to a big crowd

of niggers and told dem to stay on and work for wages. When de Yankees

come through here, dey stole everything dey could git deir hands on. Dey

went in de house and took food and articles. Marse put guards around his

house to keep dem out so dey wouldn't steal all de potatoes and flour he

had for his slaves. Ku Klux went around de country and caught niggers

and carpetbaggers. De carpetbaggers would hunt up chillun's lands, whose

daddys was killed and try to take dem. Dat was when Judge Leheigh was

here, and Capt. Bone was postmaster. Dey was Republicans, but when de

Democrats got in power dey stopped all dat.

"When I married John Dorroh I had a big wedding. We married at de Harp

place in Newberry, jes' behind de big house, in a nigger cottage. White

folks and niggers come. I was known amongst de best white families

'cause I served as cook for dem. I was married by Rev. J. K. Walls, a

nigger preacher from Charleston.

"I think slavery ended through de work of Almighty God. My mother always

said dat was it. My daddy left here and went to Memphis when I was five

years old. He sent home $40. He was in de army wid Major James Baxter.

He took care of de guns and things of de Major."

Source: Isabella Dorroh (N, 75), Newberry, S. C.

Interviewer: G. L. Summer, Newberry, S. C. 11/22/27.

Project 1885-1

Spartanburg, S. C.

May 31, 1937

Edited by: Martha Ritter

FOLKLORE: EX-SLAVES

"I was born in Newberry County, S. C. below Prosperity on Capt. George

De Walt's place. My daddy and mammy was Giles and Lizzie De Walt

Downing. My daddy belonged to de Outz family, but changed his name to

Downing--his master was Downing Outz. I was born about 1857. My mother

had 16 children, some died young.

I was a little chap when the war was here, but I remember de soldiers

coming home from de war. De Yankees went through here and stole all the

cattle and all the eats. De Ku Klux marched down de road dressed in

white sheets. Freedom come and most of the slaves went away, but I

stayed on wid Marse De Walt. Daddy worked wid Downing Outz for wages.

When I was 15 years old I worked in de fields like grown folks. I never

learned to read and write. We had no schools then for colored people. De

only church we had after freedom come was a small "brush arbor" church.

"We hunted rabbits, 'possums, squirrels, wild turkeys, doves and

partridges there.

"I joined de church when I was 20 years old, 'cause I thought times

would be better for me then. Of course, I kind of back-slided little

afterwards, but always tried to do right.

Source: Laurence Downing (80), Newberry, S. C.

Interviewer: G. Leland Sumer, Newberry, S. C.

Project 1885-(1)

Prepared by Annie Ruth Davis

Place, Marion, S. C.

Date, Jane 23, 1937

WASHINGTON DOZIER

Ex-Slave, 90 years

"Dis heah sho' Washington Dozier. Dat is wha' de hard time left uv him.

I born en raise dere in Florence County de 18th uv December, 1847. Don'

know 'xactly wha' my father name, but my mudder tell me he wuz name

Dozier. My mudder wuz Becky en she b'long to ole man Wiles Gregg dere on

de Charleston road. I hab two sisters en one brother, but not uv one

father. I s'ppose brother Henry wuz me whole brother en Fannie en

Ca'oline wuz jes me half sister."

"Well, dey ne'er hab so mucha sumptin, but I recollect dey make dey own

produce den. Oh, dey lib very well. We call it good libin' at dat time.

Coase de bedding de colored peoples hab wasn't much cause dey jes hab

some kind uv home-made stuff den. We raise in a t'ree room house wha'

hab floor on two uv de room. Hab house right dere on de Gregg

plantation. Family went from age to age in dat day en time wid dey own

Massa name. I 'member my gra'mudder was name Fannie Gregg. Now, I tell

yuh how I 'count fa me hab de name Dozier, I jes s'ppose dat come from

me father."

"Hadder do some sorta work in dem days lak hoe corn en replant en so on

lak dat, but ne'er didn't do no man work. Wuz jes uh half hand, dat is

'bout so. Dey gi'e us plenty sumptin to eat den, but ne'er pay us no

money. Coase dey didn't 'low us no choice uv wha' we eat at dat time.

Hab plenty meat en corn bread en molasses mos' aw de time. Den dey le'

us hab uh garden uv we own en we hunt possum many uh time en ketch fish

too. Meat was de t'ing dat I lak mostly."

"Dey gi'e us good clothes to put on us back wha' dey hab make on de

plantation en in de winter, dey gi'e us good warm clothes. Jes wear

wha'e'er de white folks gi'e us. Didn't take no 'ffect tall 'bout Sunday

clothes."

"Fust time I marry I hab uh very good wedding. Marry ole man Gurley

daughter o'er in Florence County. Don' know 'xactly how ole I was den,

but I c'n tell yah dis much, I wasn't in no herry to marry. Aw colored

peoples hadder do to marry den wuz to go to dey Massa en ge' uh permit

en consider demselves man en wife. I recollect dat we hab a very good

wedding supper dere. I marry Georgeanna de second time en I hab four

head uv chillun by me fust wife en four head uv chillun by me second

wife. Ne'er couldn't tell how many gran'chillun I got."

My Massa en Missus wuz mighty pious good people. Dey go to preachin'

dere to Hopewell Presbyterian Chu'ch aw de time. De man wha' wuz de

preacher dere den wuz name Frierson. De colored peoples go dere to dat

same chu'ch en sot en de gallery. Yuh know dere spirituals hymns en dere

reels. I c'n sing one uv dem dat I use'er sing in my slumberin' hours.

It go lak dis:

Chillun, wha' yuh gwinna do in de jedgment mornin'?

Chillun, wha' yuh gwinna do in de jedgment mornin'?

Oh Chillun, wha' yuh gwinna do in de jedgment mornin'

When ole Gable go down on de seashore?

He gwinna place one foot in de sea

En de udder on de land,

En declare tha' time would be no more,

Chillun, wha' yuh gwinna do?

Chillun, wha' yah gwinna do in de jedgment mornin'?

Chillun, wha' yah gwinna do in de jedgment mornin'?

Then chillun, wha' yuh gwinna do

When ole Gable go down on de seashore?

He gwinna place one foot in de sea

En de udder on de land,

En declare tha' time would be no more,

Then chillun, wha' yuh gwinna do in de jedgment mornin'?

"Now de angels sing dat to me in my slumberin' hour en dey sing it dat I

might gi'e it to de libin' heah on dis earth. Well, I know right smart

uv dem song cause accordin' to my 'sperience, de hymn book wha' to fence

de human family in. I got ah good set uv lungs en I wuz de one wha' lead

de flock den. Dere jes one grand reason why I can' sing right well dis

a'ternoon, yuh is take me on de surprise lak."

"I was jes uh chap in slavery time en I hadder stay dere home aw de time

whey dere didn't no harm come 'bout me. Dey le' we chillun play marbles

en ball aw we wanna den. Jes chunk de ball to one annuder o'er de house.

Dat how we play ball in dem times. My white folks didn't do nuthin but

stay home en go to chu'ch meetin's. Dey ne'er didn't punish none uv dey

colored peoples en didn' 'low no udder people to do it neither. I

couldn't tell yah how many slave dey own but dey hab more slave by de

increase uv dey families. Dey hab so many dat some uv de time dey'ud

hire some uv dem out to annuder plantation. Ne'er didn't see em sell

none uv dey colored peoples. I know dis much, dat wuz uh right good

place to lib."

"I heared tell uv trouble 'tween de whites en de colored peoples, but

dere wuzn't none uv dat 'round whey I stay. Dey say some uv de slave run

'way fa bad treatment en stay in de woods. Didn't hab no jails den en

when dey'd ketch em, dey'ud buff em en gag em en hoss whip em. Now, I

ne'er see none uv dat but I heared tell uv it."

"My Massa ne'er didn't work us hard lak. Coase uz de day' ud come, de

hands hadder go up to de big house en go 'bout dey business, but dey

al'ays knock offen early on uh Saturday evenin' en le' everbody do jes

wha' dey wanna dere on de plantation. Ne'er didn't use no horn to wake

dey colored peoples up en didn't wake em work en de big Christmus day en

New Years' neither. Ne'er hab no udder holidays but dem two. My Massa

gi'e aw his colored peoples uh big Christmus dinner to de white folks

house. Jes hab plenty uv fresh meat en rice en biscuit en cake fa

eve'ybody dat day."

"Dey hab funeral fa de colored peoples den jes lak dey hab dese days

'cept dey ne'er hab no preacher 'bout. Aw de slaves stop workin' fa de

funeral en dey'ud jes carry de body en permit it to de ground uz wuz de

usual t'ing dey do. Coase dey hab plenty singin' dere."

"Dem t'ing wha' people call ghostes, dey is evil walks. I know dis much,

de sperit uv de body travels en dat de truth sho' uz I libin' heah.

Coase I ain' ne'er see none uv dem t'ing en I ain' scared uv nuthin

neither. Don' ne'er pay no 'ttention to no black cat en t'ing lak dat.

Ain' bother wid none uv dem charm neither. De peoples use'er hab dey own

doc'or book en dey search dat en use wha' it say do. Dey ne'er use no

me'icine tall den but calomel en castor oil en turpentine."

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