THE MANAGEMENT OF THE MINT.—MOTION FOR A SELECT COMMITTEE.

“LORD KINNAIRD: I rise to move for a Select

Committee to inquire into the past and present management

of the Mint, and although I very much regret that it is the

intention of the Government not to assent to my Motion, I

feel bound, nevertheless, to call your Lordships’ attention

to the mismanagement of the Department to which my Motion

refers. It will be in your Lordships’ recollection that

when the Coinage Bill was under consideration I moved

for certain returns connected with the gold coinage, my

object being to show that considerable loss occurred in the

process of coining. Some of those returns were granted,

but others were refused on the plea that they were too

voluminous to lay on your Lordships’ table. But I have

made inquiries, and find that refusal was made because

the officials of the Mint did not wish for any searching

inquiry, and because the returns would have exposed certain

malpractices connected with the coinage. I also moved, when

the Bill was in Committee, for certain returns connected

with the coinage of silver and the transactions between

the Bank of England and the Mint. I was informed on that

occasion that no record was kept of those transactions;

I saw at the time that was a subterfuge, and that the

officials knew these returns would disclose certain

malpractices at the Mint which they would prefer were not

made public, for not only is a record of these transactions

kept, but the returns could be granted with ease. I have

found, however, that a return has been presented to the

House of Commons, which gives me the principal part of the

information I desired to obtain by the returns for which

I moved. That return, I have heard said, is not strictly

correct; but it is a return presented to Parliament,

and, as far as the figures to which I wish to refer are

concerned, I have reason to believe they must be correct.

The noble Marquess (the Marquess of Lansdowne) who answered

me on that occasion, admitted that as regards the gold

there was great loss in coinage. He said that although

the Government was not supposed to make money by the gold

coinage, they made a considerable sum by the silver; and

at another time (on the 24th March) he said that although

there was a loss resulting from keeping the silver up to

the proper standard, through wear and tear, yet on the

manufacture there was a profit of something like £20,000

a year. Now, I am not going to hold the noble Marquess to

any statement he made on that occasion, because not being

himself connected with the Mint he must have been dependent

on the officials; but I can assure him that statement is

entirely erroneous. It is quite true that a profit was made

in the Mint in the year 1859 of £27,032 on the coinage of

silver, and this arose from the large quantity coined and

the very small purchase of worn coin. £647,064 worth of

silver was coined in that year as against a yearly average

of £341,018, and the purchase of worn coin amounted to only

£8,096 as against the average of £14,633. But although this

profit of £27,032 was made in this year, there was a loss

of £5,373 during the next nine years. Now, my Lords, as

regards the coinage of silver, there should be an uniform

profit. The price of silver is 5_s._ 1_d._ or

5_s._ 1⅜_d._ per ounce, so that there should be

a profit of 7½ per cent. upon the silver coin. In 1868 the

sum purchased was £312,252, which should have yielded a

profit of £23,368, but the return showed a loss of £10,896;

so that, adding the loss on to what the profit should

have been, we find that the Mint was £34,265 on the wrong

side that year in its silver coinage; but inasmuch as the

loss on the purchase of worn silver was £18,058 in that

year, the net loss to the Mint through mismanagement was

£16,207. Now, what became of that sum of money? How has

it disappeared? The noble Lord admits gold was abstracted

during the process of coining, and I say that the loss now

arises from peculation. The Chancellor of the Exchequer

himself contradicts the noble Lord, and admits that there

is a loss on silver, for in the estimates I find he asked

the House of Commons to vote £1,000 to make good the loss

on silver, in addition to £15,000 for the loss occasioned

by repairing that coinage for the coming year, which has

to be paid out of the pockets of the people instead of the

Exchequer being replenished by the legitimate profit of

£20,000. But the most extraordinary loss is in the coinage

of copper. One ton of copper costs about £100, and when

converted into coin it is worth £358, giving an actual

gross profit of £258; yet I find the Chancellor of the

Exchequer asked for £1,000 last year to make good the loss

on the copper coinage. I have been rather amused to find

the Chancellor of the Exchequer speaking slightingly of the

loss on the gold coinage, saying in all probability it went

up the chimney. I think it is more likely to have gone up

“the spout.” Now, I find another item in the estimates of

£1,800 for the expenses of an inquiry into foreign Mints.

This represents the expenses of three gentlemen who are

going to inquire into the method of coining adopted on the

Continent; but, on inquiry, I find that nearly all the

machinery in use in foreign Mints went from this country,

so that we could ascertain all that we want to know about

the practice in foreign Mints, by making inquiries of

certain engineering firms in this country. I may be told

that the foreign Mints may have improved on the machinery

supplied to them, but even this may be ascertained without

going to this enormous expense. Moreover, most of the

coining on the Continent is done by contract, and it

is not likely that contractors will give a Government

Commissioner, who is competing with them by advertisement,

much information as to the way in which they carry on their

work; so that altogether this £1,800 will be completely

thrown away. And who are the gentlemen commissioned to make

this inquiry? The Deputy Master is one of them—a most

excellent, financial man; but, unfortunately, he knows

nothing of the practical part of the business, and will

gain very little by his trip. Then there is Mr. Roberts,

lately appointed chemist to the Mint; ... and the third

gentleman is Mr. Napier, one qualified in every respect

for the duty. In 1858 a sum of £1,100 was set apart for

the purchase of a filing machine in accordance with an

estimate sent in by Mr. Napier for the purpose; but, before

the order was executed, an officer in the Mint made a

machine answering every purpose, which cost only £60, and

nobody knows what became of this £1,100. I believe this

Commission is going to Spain, but Mr. Napier manufactured

the machinery in use there, so he is going to Spain to see

how his own machines work, and he is to receive £2,000

for doing it. Perhaps, however, as the war has broken out

the trip will be postponed. Now, my Lords, what I say I

am prepared to substantiate before a Committee, and I

challenge contradiction. That an inquiry is needed even at

this late period of the session is patent, for the House

of Commons has only recently voted no less than £18,000

to make up the losses in the Mint. Mr. Fremantle and Mr.

Rivers Wilson have made a Report on the subject of some

of these complaints, and have suggested improvements; but

these improvements would have no effect upon the working of

the establishment, and would not touch the main defects in

the system. One of the alterations made in consequence of

that Report was a revision of the scale of wages. Formerly

the workmen had a retaining fee varying from 6_s._ to

10_s._ per week when unemployed, and a certain wage

beside when at work. But the pay was very small, and it

was thought this might lead to peculation. The scale has

accordingly been revised by the payment of £1 per week as

retaining fee, but the revision is calculated to give the

men a little less on the whole, a result to be expected

when the arrangement was made by so skilful a financier

as the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the country saves

£100 a year out of the workmen’s wages. But the most

extraordinary part of the revision is to come; and this

affords another instance with the sugar duties, hawkers’

licenses, and the gun tax, of the readiness with which the

Chancellor of the Exchequer jumps to conclusions, without

being at the trouble to inform himself upon the subject in

hand. The workmen are by this new scale to receive less

when coining gold than when coining silver, although the

temptation to peculation is greater, so that at the time

when their honesty should be secured by good payment, they

are to be treated with a niggardly hand, and who can be

surprised if they help themselves? The noble Marquess says

there has been only one case of dismissal for peculation;

but, if he inquires further, he will find there have been

twelve. No prosecution has followed these dismissals, nor

even an inquiry. Prosecutions would not be palatable to the

Mint authorities, because they would expose the system.

Now, I can assure your Lordships, that these statements

I have made are true in every respect, and I challenge

contradiction; and I trust the Government will think the

facts really demand a searching inquiry. More than a

year since, I brought the subject before the Chancellor

of the Exchequer, but it was pooh-poohed, and I was told

that a private inquiry would be made: but no inquiry has

been made, and the system remains unamended. I therefore

move for a Select Committee, to inquire into the past and

present management of the Mint.

The MARQUESS OF LANSDOWNE: I regret that it is my

duty to decline to accede to the motion of the noble Lord,

but I feel sure your Lordships will admit, when I have

made a brief statement of the facts of the case, that the

Government is warranted in refusing the Committee. I must

admit that two cases of peculation have occurred at the

Mint; but the persons concerned were dismissed, and there

has been no reason to suspect a recurrence of the practice;

I am sure therefore, the noble Lord is under a

misapprehension[122] when he says there have been twelve

cases of dismissal for peculation during the last few

years. As regards the charge of wasteful management, I must

repeat the statement I made on a previous occasion. The

noble Lord, I fear, confuses two things—namely, the loss

occurring from the necessity of keeping the silver coinage

up to the proper standard, and the gain which accrues from

the coining; and, on the whole, there is a distinct gain,

although I may, on a previous occasion, have overstated the

amount. There is, notwithstanding the information of which

the noble Lord appears to be possessed, a gain of £5,000

a year on the silver coinage. The amount of waste on the

gold coinage has, within the last few years, been extremely

moderate: it is at present, 1_s._ per £100; and an

eminent firm of refiners in the city has given an opinion

that this is very satisfactory. So much for the past. With

regard to the present, I must say that as the department

has recently been reorganised, it would be hardly fair,

before it had got into full working order, to institute

an inquiry. The staff has been reduced, thus effecting

a saving on this year’s estimates of £5,000; the system

of the payment of wages has been altered, resulting in a

small saving and in a marked effect on the staff; and the

melting and coining departments have been united, avoiding

that apparent confusion between the accounts of the two

departments, which has, in some respects, misled the

noble Lord. Lastly, I come to the Commission of Inquiry,

which has been travelling on the Continent. Now, if the

machines in use on the Continent have been mostly made at

Birmingham, much may be learnt, as to their application and

the character of the metals used, by the proposed inquiry.

As regards the members of that Commission, Mr. Roberts is

a very eminent chemist, and has proved his capabilities

by devising a system for depriving gold of the obnoxious

properties on which the noble Lord recently commented.

The noble Lord did not fail to admit that Mr. Napier was

eminently qualified for a post on the Commission; and, as

regards the Deputy Master, he has exhibited great abilities

in discharging the duties of his office, and I do not

think the noble Lord has said a single word to show he has

forfeited our good opinion.

[Footnote 122: I am prepared to give the names of the parties dismissed

and the dates of dismissal.—G. F. A.]

Since I am desirous of drawing attention to the affairs of a Public

Department, and to that only, I have omitted some passages in the

foregoing debates because they did not affect the subject under

discussion; still, I quote the remainder of the debate in so far as it

was personal to myself in the Appendix at pages 197-198. It will have

been seen that in these debates in the House of Lords, Lord Lansdowne,

on the part of the Government, made statements to which Lord Kinnaird,

in his honoured letter to me, alludes, I therefore proceed to offer a

few remarks.

That Lord Kinnaird does not confound _loss on the coinage_ with loss

occasioned by the repair or “keeping of the coinage up to standard,”

is demonstrated by his lordship’s speeches, and by the return No. 157,

1869, presented to the House of Commons by Mr. Ayrton, which shows

that, in 1859, £647,064 of _coined money_ was obtained by _coining_

£620,031 of silver purchased for coining, giving £27,033 as a clear

profit for that especial year.

If, however, the circumstances be examined, it will be found that in

1859 only £8,096 was lost by the purchase of worn silver coin, as

against the yearly average (shown on page 5 in the return, but not

inserted by me) of £14,633. Yet even this exceptional gain is not

creditable, for, at the rate of 7½ per cent., it should have been

£46,502 instead of £27,033.

The remaining nine years on the return—No. 157, 1869—show an average

loss by the silver coinage as exhibited in the next table compiled from

it. The Mint returns as presented to Parliament require explanation. I

have therefore added two columns to demonstrate the profit and loss.

+-------+-----------------+-----------------+----------+-----------+

| Date. | Total Value of | Real Cost or | Profit | Loss |

| | Silver Coined. | Value of Metal. | Realised.|Sustained. |

+-------+-----------------+-----------------+----------+-----------+

| | £ | £ | £ | £ |

| 1860 | 218,403 | 222,981 | | 4,577 |

| 1861 | 209,484 | 215,029 | | 5,545 |

| 1862 | 148,518 | 159,948 | | 11,429 |

| 1863 | 161,172 | 171,855 | | 10,688 |

| 1864 | 535,194 | 521,003 | 14,190 | |

| 1865 | 501,732 | 483,861 | 17,870 | |

| 1866 | 493,416 | 486,113 | 7,302 | |

| 1867 | 193,842 | 195,445 | | 1,603 |

| 1868 | 301,356 | 312,252 | | 10,896 |

| +-----------------+-----------------+----------+-----------+

| | 2,763,117 | 2,768,487 | 39,362 | 44,733 |

| | | +----------+-----------+

| Deducting the Profit, £39,362, the Final Loss becomes £5,371 |

+-------+----------------------------------------------------------+

Such final loss is indefensible. Yet Lord Lansdowne is led to believe

that the seigniorage on silver yields a profit of £5,000 a year

(modified from his first statement of £20,000), whereas this return,

inclusive of the £27,033 before explained, exhibits a profit of £21,659

in ten years, or of an average of £2,165 per annum. This statement

will, however, deceive those who rely on it, for two reasons. The year

1859, as already pointed out, is exceptional; and another return, No.

67, 1870, made to the House of Commons (see page 150) shows that,

inclusive of this anomalous gain, the silver coinage has been a source

of loss to the country to the exact average amount of 17_s._ 6_d._

on each £100 purchased for coinage. In printing this return I have

made it up to 1868, omitting the year 1869, which alone shows a loss

of £120,000, and must therefore be an incomplete return. It is to be

regretted that the Government refused on two occasions a return of the

account of losses on silver manufacture, because such a return would

have included loss by assay as well as loss by coining and melting.

The refusals were undoubtedly based on fear of exposure, because the

return can be given readily—that they can be given, is proved by the

fact that I have read the accounts in the bill books at the Mint, and

have copies of such entries. Lord Lansdowne was instructed to state

that no such accounts are kept. The subterfuge of the Mint Authorities

consists in the fact that Lord Kinnaird has not asked for the return

in the precise words in which the account is kept; it cannot, however,

be again refused if moved for as “transferred from the account of the

Mint expenses, for the satisfaction of the Audit Office to account for

the waste or loss by coining silver.” If the Mint Authorities will

place the bill book of the Royal Mint before me for a few hours, I

will compile the table. Such a return would exhibit the fact that in

the five years last past, the loss by misplacement and mismanagement

exceeds £1,867 3_s._ 10¾_d._ per million coined; it would show that

the average amount of loss reaches 3_s._ 9¾_d._ for each £100 coined,

such sum being in fact about one-third of the total sum charged by the

contractors who conduct the coinage in Paris for France. The contractor

for the Paris Mint, in his charge, includes loss of silver by coining,

melting, and assay, wear and tear of machinery, wages to workmen for

labour, salaries and contingent expenses; and while bearing these

charges, he makes a handsome

AN ACCOUNT OF THE SUMS ADVANCED IN EACH YEAR FROM THE

CONSOLIDATED FUND FOR THE PURCHASE OF BULLION FOR COINAGE;

AND OF THE SUMS PAID IN EACH YEAR TO THE ACCOUNT OF HER

MAJESTY’S EXCHEQUER AT THE BANK OF ENGLAND, IN REPAYMENT

THEREOF.—(PURSUANT TO ACT 7 WILL. 4, C. 9.)

+-----+------------------+-----------------+-----------------------+

| | Amounts Advanced |Amounts Paid into| |

|Date.| from the |the Exchequer, in| Remarks. |

| | Consolidated | Repayment of | |

| | Fund. | Advances. | |

+-----+------------------+-----------------+-----------------------+

| | £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| |

|1837 | 22,000 0 0 | | |

|1838 | 196,029 19 4 | 168,029 19 4 | |

|1839 | 400,000 0 0 | 350,000 0 0 | |

|1840 | 170,000 0 0 | 175,000 0 0 | |

|1841 | 100,000 0 0 | 135,000 0 0 | |

|1842 | 180,000 0 0 | 162,120 4 0 | |

|1843 | 350,000 0 0 | 265,000 0 0 | |

|1844 | 550,000 0 0 | 501,389 17 0 | |

|1845 | 850,000 0 0 | 678,772 2 9 | |

|1846 | 300,000 0 0 | 429,937 1 11 | |

|1847 | 100,000 0 0 | 217,033 10 2 | |

|1848 | | 18,534 3 1 | As given |

|1849 | 150,000 0 0 | 120,000 0 0 | in detail in |

|1850 | 150,000 0 0 | 120,000 0 0 | previous |

|1851 | 100,000 0 0 | 187,213 1 1 | Returns. |

|1852 | 391,970 0 8 | 191,970 0 8 | |

|1853 | 508,029 19 4 | 550,000 0 0 | |

|1854 | 100,000 0 0 | 200,000 0 0 | |

|1855 | 250,000 0 0 | 300,000 0 0 | |

|1856 | 450,000 0 0 | 450,000 0 0 | |

|1857 | 420,000 0 0 | 350,000 0 0 | |

|1858 | 400,000 0 0 | 400,000 0 0 | |

|1859 | 550,000 0 0 | 650,000 0 0 | |

|1860 | 270,000 0 0 | 150,000 0 0 | |

|1861 | 400,000 0 0 | 550,000 0 0 | |

|1862 | 400,000 0 0 | 350,000 0 0 | |

|1863 | 250,000 0 0 | 250,000 0 0 | |

|1864 | 600,000 0 0 | 630,000 0 0 | |

|1865 | 520,000 0 0 | 460,000 0 0 | |

|1866 | 410,000 0 0 | 510,000 0 0 | |

|1867 | 300,000 0 0 | 250,000 0 0 | |

|1868 | 220,000 0 0 | 200,000 0 0 | |

+-----+------------------+-----------------+-----------------------+

| 32 |10,058,029 19 4 |9,970,000 0 0 |_Loss_, |

|Years| | |=£88,029 19s. 4d. 17/6=|

| | | |_on the_ =£100= |

+-----+------------------+-----------------+-----------------------+

C. W. FREMANTLE, DEPUTY MASTER OF THE MINT.

ROYAL MINT, _18th February, 1870_.

profit, his total sum for all being 15_s._ for each £100 coined. Is it

probable that the contractor would tolerate a charge of 3_s._ 9¾_d._

for loss alone out of a total of 15_s._ Since the Government refuses

figures, imagination alone can tell what is the loss in the Royal Mint;

yet in the face of such facts Mr. Lowe accepts contracts as against

the French contractor to whom he sends Commissioners—one of whom

experienced “great difficulty in obtaining accurate information with

regard to the amount of loss that accrues” on gold and silver—that he

may instruct them in the cost of manufacture. Does a banker make known

his secrets? He may permit you to stand at his counter and see cheques

paid, but “thus far and no farther” is the guiding principle. Mr.

Lowe’s contract notions have been already noticed.

To return, then, to facts admitted by the Government, and presented

to the House of Lords in obedience to Lord Kinnaird’s motion; the

return numbered 30, 1870, clearly demonstrates that there is, under

the management of the present officers, and has been for the last five

years (see pages 144-145), an average loss by coining of £401, and

by melting, of £916, or a total of £1,317 on each million of silver

coined. By way of contrast, it should be noticed that this return

exhibits the fact that, when the Mint was under my management—between

April 1857 and March 1860—the total average loss, under circumstances

every way similar, was but £395 4_s._, inclusive of “melting and the

losing operations,” for each million of silver coined. Well may the

Government refuse a return which, at the smallest possible computation,

would EXHIBIT AN UNNECESSARY WASTE TO THE EXTENT OF £922 ON EACH

MILLION OF SILVER COINED, OR EXACTLY £3,144 ON THE SILVER CONCERNED IN

THE RETURN No. 157, 1869, quoted at page 149.

The unnecessary waste here displayed is not the only reason why silver

yields no final profit or seigniorage—and the foregoing statements

clearly demonstrate that Lord Kinnaird has not misunderstood the

accounts. The great reason of the loss occasioned by the silver

coinage, both by manufacture and by seigniorage, is want of knowledge

on the part of the Mint officials, for it can require but little

argument to show that that which costs 61_d._ and sells for 66_d._,

must, if properly manufactured, yield an absolute profit. So, to

demonstrate more clearly the exact case, we will take the real cost of

the silver for 1868 and see what profit this should have afforded, and

then Lord Lansdowne will perhaps explain why the loss arises, for this

return (see page 154) is perfectly free from all manufacturing details,

and does not include wages, officers’ salaries, or contingent expenses;

it simply states the bald fact that so much silver was bought and

converted into coined money, and by deducting one from the other there

is demonstrated an actual loss of £10,896 12_s._ Now the amount bought

was in real intrinsic value £312,252 12_s._, and this produced in

coined silver money £301,356. It has been shown in the return now under

comment that silver fetched at that period (1859-1868) 61⅜_d._ per

ounce, which, expressed in decimals, will be 61·375_d._, and silver,

by the Act of Parliament, is so coined as that each ounce is converted

into money of a nominal value of 66_d._, such extrinsic value being

given to silver because it is a token currency, and as such is a legal

tender to the limited extent of £2. The difference, then, between

66_d._ and 61·375_d._ is 4·625; if, therefore, 61·375 gives a profit

of 4·625, it follows that 100 should give 7·535; but for the sake of

simplicity we will consider this profit as at the rate of 7½ per cent.;

then £312,252 12_s._ at 7½ per cent., should yield £23,418 18_s._

10¾_d._, yet not only was the profit lost, but, in addition, there

is a recorded—admitted—loss of £10,896 12_s._, which, added to the

loss of profit, brings that total to £34,315 10_s._ 10¾_d._; but that

Lord Lansdowne may not be unfairly pressed, Lord Kinnaird expressed

willingness to deduct from this sum the amount of loss entailed that

year by recoinage (see * below) and which was £18,058 9_s._ 6_d._,

leaving thereby an irretrievable loss of exactly £16,257 1_s._ 4¾_d._,

on that year alone.

NO. 262.—RETURN TO AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE THE HOUSE OF COMMONS,

DATED 30TH MAY, 1870. (MR. AYRTON, PAGE 5.)

_Worn Silver Coin Purchased for Re-coinage._

+----+-----------+-----------------+---------------+---------------+

|Date| Weight. | Nominal Value. |Mint Value at | Loss by |

| | | |5/6 per Ounce. | Re-Coinage. |

+----+-----------+-----------------+---------------+---------------+

| | Ounces. | £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._|

|1860| 357902·538| 113,000 0 0 | 98,423 3 9 | 14,576 16 3 |

|1861| 308873·077| 97,600 0 0 | 84,940 1 10 | 12,659 18 2 |

|1862| 425591·682| 135,000 0 0 |117,037 14 3 | 17,962 5 9 |

|1863| 324674·838| 102,800 0 0 | 89,285 11 5 | 13,514 8 7 |

|1864| 388388·152| 123,500 0 0 |106,806 14 10 | 16,693 5 2 |

|1865| 292496·983| 93,000 0 0 | 80,436 13 4 | 12,563 6 8 |

|1866| 361280·187| 115,000 0 0 | 99,352 1 0 | 15,647 19 0 |

|1867| 376142·927| 120,000 0 0 |103,439 6 0 | 16,560 14 0 |

|1868| 388878·297| 125,000 0 0 |106,941 10 6 | 18,058 9 6 |

|1869| 325976·928| 105,000 0 0 | 89,643 13 0 | 15,356 7 0 |

+----+-----------+-----------------+---------------+---------------+

| |3550205·609|1,129,900 0 0 |976,306 9 11 |153,593 10 1 |

+----+-----------+-----------------+---------------+---------------+

_The Yearly Average Price paid per Ounce for Silver Bullion purchased

in the Market for Coinage in the Years 1860 to 1869, both inclusive,

was as follows:—_

+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-------+

|1860.|1861.|1862.|1863.|1864.|1865.|1866.|1867.|1868.| 1869. |

+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-------+

| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._| _d._ |

| 61¾ | 61½ | 61½ | 61½ | 61¼ | 61 | 61⅞ | 60¾ | 60⅞ | 60⁶/₁₆|

+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-------+

_The amount of Seigniorage paid into the Exchequer in the years 1860 to

1869, has been,—_

+--------------+------------+-------------+-----------+------------+

| 1860. | 1861. | 1862. | 1863. | 1864. |

| | | | | |

+--------------+------------+-------------+-----------+------------+

| £ _s. d._ | £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._|

|27,134 1 8 |4,961 7 5 |11,227 6 2 |211 13 4 |6,160 6 8 |

+--------------+------------+-------------+-----------+------------+

+--------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+

| 1865. | 1866. | 1867. | 1868. |

| | | | |

+--------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+

| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._|

|57,645 17 9 |28,630 0 5 |4,331 10 7 |18,622 7 4 |

+--------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+

+--------------+----------------+

| 1869. | Total. |

| | 1860-69. |

+--------------+----------------+

| £ _s. d._ | £ _s. d._|

|12,345 4 10 | 171,269 16 2 |

+--------------+----------------+

C. W. FREMANTLE, DEPUTY MASTER OF THE MINT.

ROYAL MINT, _31st. May, 1870._

Would Lord Lansdowne like to live on a _profit_ of such a description?

Should his lordship still maintain his statement that there is a gain

from seigniorage by coining silver, perhaps he will be so good as

to explain why the Chancellor of the Exchequer asked last year for

£1,000 to “defray the anticipated loss,” as well as £15,000 to pay the

expenses of the recoinage, or “keeping the silver up to the required

standard.” It has been stated that this return is false—it is surely a

grave matter to make a false return to Parliament, in itself a crime

which should be inquired into and punished.

The loss thus exhibited is entailed solely because the Master of the

Mint habitually wishing to keep things quiet, refuses all Parliamentary

enquiry, and contents himself with so-called retrenchment because he

deducts £100 a year from the Mint workmen.

A continuation of the return to which Lord Kinnaird drew attention has

been presented, No. 262, 1869, signed by Mr. Fremantle. Singular to

relate, this is not merely _a continuation_, for it gives information

in regard to seigniorage, and Mr. Fremantle has amended the account

made by Mr. Graham; thus a return presented to Parliament has been

altered by Mr. Fremantle without comment, and now exhibits results

directly opposed to those shown for the same years by Mr. Graham. The

words at the head of the column are, for some reason which does not

appear, also altered, but the “real cost” of metal must mean the same

as the “total amount paid” for it. I have, therefore, compiled from

each a statement of the profit and loss; but I reproduce the figures

presented in the one case by Mr. Thomas Graham, and in the other by Mr.

C. W. Fremantle, BOTH RELATING TO THE SAME ACCOUNT, and both supposed

to be accurate (see page 154).

It is necessary that I should state that Mr. Graham had been dead

more than a year when his accounts were altered, in the manner now

to be explained. If _his_ returns were correct, Mr. Fremantle’s must

be _incorrect_, or, “adjusted,” as Mr. Roberts would style it. If

reference be made to the table on page 154, it will be seen that by

the return No. 157, Mr. Graham showed a loss to the extent of £5,373

4_s._ 6_d._ on nine years’ (1860-1868) silver coinage. Now, Lord

Kinnaird explained that return fully to the House, and, to prove his

accuracy, produced the return No. 30, which will be found on page 150.

Considerable astonishment was caused by such facts, but no reply was

given. However, it now appears by the return No. 262, which I print

under No. 157, and on the same page, that Mr. Fremantle has found the

means to convert Mr. Graham’s _loss_ into an absolute GAIN of so large

an amount as £1,011,668 2_s._ 0_d._, and _that without any word of

explanation_. The returns thus placed together are so contradictory,

that I confess I utterly failed to unravel them, and therefore

submitted them to more than one banker, several merchants, and,

finally, to a professional accountant, not one of whom could suggest a

key to the extraordinary process which has been adopted.

NO. 157.—RETURN TO AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE THE

HOUSE OF COMMONS, DATED 21ST APRIL, 1869, FOR ACCOUNT “OF

ALL GOLD, SILVER, AND COPPER MONEYS OF THE REALM COINED AT

THE MINT, FOR EACH YEAR FROM THE 1ST JANUARY, 1859, TO THE

31ST OF DECEMBER, 1868, &C.,” IN CONTINUATION OF NO. 340,

1867-68. (MR. AYRTON, PAGE 3.)

----+-----------------+-----------------+--------------+--------------

Date| Total Value of | Real Cost or | Profit on | Loss on

| Silver Coined. | Value of Metal.| Coinage. | Coinage.

----+-----------------+-----------------+--------------+--------------

| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._

1860| 218,403 7 0 | 222,981 1 6 | | 4,577 14 6

1861| 209,484 0 0 | 215,029 0 10 | | 5,545 0 10

1862| 148,518 11 10 | 159,948 2 6 | |11,429 10 8

1863| 161,172 0 0 | 171,855 15 0 | |10,683 15 0

1864| 535,194 0 0 | 521,003 5 0 |14,190 15 0 |

1865| 501,732 0 0 | 483,861 13 6 |17,870 6 6 |

1866| 493,416 0 0 | 486,113 15 2 | 7,302 4 10 |

1867| 193,842 0 0 | 195,445 17 10 | | 1,603 17 10

1868| 301,356 0 0 | 312,252 12 0 | |10,896 12 0

----+-----------------+-----------------+--------------+--------------

|2,763,117 18 10 |2,768,491 3 4 |39,363 6 4 |44,736 10 10

----+-----------------+-----------------+--------------+--------------

Deduct Profit, when there remains Absolute Loss 5,373 4 6

----------------------------------------------------------------------

THO. GRAHAM, MASTER OF THE MINT.

ROYAL MINT, _19th April, 1869_.

NO. 262.—RETURN TO AN ORDER, &C., DATED 30TH MAY, 1870, &c., IN

CONTINUATION OF PAPER NO. 157, OF SESSION 1868-9. (MR. STANSFELD, PAGE

3.)

+-------+-------------------+---------------------+

| Date. | Total Value of | Total Amount Paid |

| | Silver Coined. | for Silver Bullion. |

+-------+-------------------+---------------------+

| | £ _s. d._| £ _s. d._ |

| 1860 | 218,403 7 0 | 141,112 7 11 |

| 1861 | 209,484 0 0 | 100,327 11 0 |

| 1862 | 148,518 11 10 | 51,165 19 11 |

| 1863 | 161,172 0 0 | 53,134 12 7 |

| 1864 | 535,194 0 0 | 445,191 11 9 |

| 1865 | 501,732 0 0 | 416,524 6 9 |

| 1866 | 493,416 0 0 | 282,247 12 6 |

| 1867 | 193,842 0 0 | 181,000 17 11 |

| 1868 | 301,356 0 0 | 80,744 16 6 |

| 1869 | 76,428 0 0 | 135,083 0 11 |

+-------+-------------------+---------------------+

| |2,839,545 18 10 | 1,886,532 17 9 |

+-------+-------------------+----------------------

+-------+--------------------+------------------+

| Date. | Profit on | Loss on Coinage. |

| | Coinage. | |

+-------+--------------------+------------------+

| | £ _s. d._ | £ _s. d._ |

| 1860 | 77,290 19 1 | |

| 1861 | 109,156 9 0 | |

| 1862 | 97,352 11 11 | |

| 1863 | 108,037 7 5 | |

| 1864 | 90,002 8 3 | |

| 1865 | 85,207 13 3 | |

| 1866 | 211,168 7 6 | |

| 1867 | 12,841 2 1 | |

| 1868 | 220,611 3 6 | |

| 1869 | | 58,655 0 11 |

+-------+--------------------+------------------+

| | 1,011,668 2 0 (‡‡)| 58,655 0 11 |

+-------+--------------------+------------------+

C. W. FREMANTLE, DEPUTY MASTER OF THE MINT.

ROYAL MINT, _31st May, 1870_.

The return contains another enigma. For, whereas Mr. Fremantle, on page

3 of the return in which he has amended Mr. Graham’s figures, exhibits

profit to the extent of £1,011,668 2_s._ 0_d._ in place of Mr. Graham’s

loss of £5,373 4_s._ 6_d._—but there being a loss of £58,655 0_s._

11_d._ on his own year’s coinage, the substituted profit(‡‡) must be

reduced by that amount, when it will be £953,013 1_s._ 1_d._ Again,

page 5, he gives a tabular statement (see page 152), by which he shows

that £171,269 16_s._ 2_d._ went to the Exchequer as seigniorage, while

the loss by recoinage amounted to £153,593 10_s._ 1_d._, leaving a

total profit of £17,676 6_s._ 1_d._ What has become of the difference

between this profit and that in the amended return?—a small matter

perhaps, but which yet amounts to £917,659 8_s._ 11_d._ in ten years.

If it were made it can be shown to have been legitimately disposed of,

or is it simply an “official statement,” such as those which public

companies have of late so frequently exhibited. If, however, that sum

has been realised, why does Mr. Fremantle show separately the amount of

seigniorage? There lies below a grave matter for inquiry why a Public

Department should place before Parliament an altered account without

one word of explanation. If Mr. Graham has put forward a false return,

one greatly against himself, it is right that the matter should be

investigated. If, on the other hand, Mr. Fremantle has placed figures

on paper which have no representatives in coin, it is indeed a grave

matter. In either case it goes to prove the necessity for a searching

inquiry into the affairs of the Royal Mint.

Lord Kinnaird does not stand alone in his view of the loss by the

silver coinage, for Mr. William Miller, late Chief Cashier in the

Bank of England, had, years since, arrived at the same conclusion,

and produced at that time evidence to prove his statement. By the

courtesy of Mr. George Forbes, at present Chief Cashier in the Bank of

England, I am in possession of Mr. Miller’s statement (see p. 156):

its perusal induces me to wish that Government officials would put

forward statements as lucid. Mr. William Miller, in this table, adopts

a process which I am assured is entirely legitimate, and by it educes

the fact that “_the Government owes the silver coinage a million and a

half, and not as an account_.” It is perfectly true that the profit,

if made, is not supposed to be placed at interest; but it is also the

fact that the profit _has never been realised_, hence the loss of both

capital and interest. His calculations are those of an accountant,

and by them he argues that if the £6,493,000 of silver coinage had

produced its legitimate gain, there would have accrued by it, and

the interest thereon, a sum of =£3,880,000= clear profit: he then

proceeds to show how that profit has been disposed of. Being himself

aware of the amount of loss by worn coins culled from circulation, he

states it at £255,000; and estimating the loss on that which remains

current, to be eliminated in its turn, at £910,000, shows a loss by

wear and tear of £1,165,000. The details for the complete study of this

table will be found in page 65, where every information is given in

precise figures, while in this he adopts whole numbers, and proceeds

to reason out the entire matter. That he may not press the Government,

he assumes an extreme rate for the expense of coinage—varying from 2¼

to 3½ per cent., while the real cost is about O·75 per cent.—and adds

to that amount the interest thereon, then deducting the total of these

sums from the £3,880,000 which should have arisen, he shows a balance

£1,411,000 which the Government owes to the silver coinage. While Mr.

Miller’s table on page 65 shows an average loss by wear on the silver

coinage current since 1816, at the rate of 24·31 per cent. in a hundred

years, and on that of George III.—_the most worn_—of 98·34 per cent.,

the Mint—receiving its culled coin from the Bank of England—states its

loss at the rate of 135·93 per cent. in the same period (see return, p.

152).

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