AN INTERVIEW WITH GNARMAG-ZOTE

Mogon-Zwair and Lalugnan, having the misfortune to lie on opposite sides

of a line, naturally hate each other; so each country sends its dangerous

political criminals into the other, where they usually enjoy high honors

and are sometimes elevated to important office under the crown. I was

therefore received in Lalugnan with hospitality and given every

encouragement in prosecuting my researches into the history and

intellectual life of the people. They are so extraordinary a people,

inhabiting so marvelous a country, that everything which the traveler

sees, hears or experiences makes a lively and lasting impression upon his

mind, and the labor of a lifetime would be required to relate the

observation of a single year. I shall notice here only one or two points

of national character--those which differ most conspicuously from ours,

and in which, consequently, they are least worthy.

With a fatuity hardly more credible than creditable, the Lalugwumps, as

they call themselves, deny the immortality of the soul. In all my stay in

their country I found only one person who believed in a life "beyond the

grave," as we should say, though as the Lalugwumps are cannibals they

would say "beyond the stomach." In testimony to the consolatory value of

the doctrine of another life, I may say that this one true believer had in

this life a comparatively unsatisfactory lot, for in early youth he had

been struck by a flying stone from a volcano and had lost a considerable

part of his brain.

I cannot better set forth the nature and extent of the Lalugwumpian error

regarding this matter than by relating a conversation that occurred

between me and one of the high officers of the King's household--a man

whose proficiency in all the vices of antiquity, together with his service

to the realm in determining the normal radius of curvature in cats' claws,

had elevated him to the highest plane of political preferment. His name

was Gnarmag-Zote.

"You tell me," said he, "that the soul is immaterial. Now, matter is that

of which we can have knowledge through one or more of our senses. Of what

is immaterial--not matter--we can gain no knowledge in that way. How,

then, can we know anything about it?"

Perceiving that he did not rightly apprehend my position I abandoned it

and shifted the argument to another ground. "Consider," I said, "the

analogous case of a thought. You will hardly call thought material, yet we

know there are thoughts."

"I beg your pardon, but we do not know that. Thought is not a thing,

therefore cannot _be_ in any such sense, for example, as the hand _is_. We

use the word 'thought' to designate the result of an action of the brain,

precisely as we use the word 'speed' to designate the result of an action

of a horse's legs. But can it be said that speed _exists_ in the same way

as the legs which produce it exist, or in any way? Is it a thing?"

I was about to disdain to reply, when I saw an old man approaching, with

bowed head, apparently in deep distress. As he drew near he saluted my

distinguished interlocutor in the manner of the country, by putting out

his tongue to its full extent and moving it slowly from side to side.

Gnarmag-Zote acknowledged the civility by courteously spitting, and the

old man, advancing, seated himself at the great officer's feet, saying:

"Exalted Sir, I have just lost my wife by death, and am in a most

melancholy frame of mind. He who has mastered all the vices of the

ancients and wrested from nature the secret of the normal curvature of

cats' claws can surely spare from his wisdom a few rays of philosophy to

cheer an old man's gloom. Pray tell me what I shall do to assuage my

grief."

The reader can, perhaps, faintly conceive my astonishment when

Gnarmag-Zote gravely replied: "Kill yourself."

"Surely," I cried, "you would not have this honest fellow procure oblivion

(since you think that death is nothing else) by so rash an act!"

"An act that Gnarmag-Zote advises," he said, coldly, "is not rash."

"But death," I said, "death, whatever else it may be, is an end of life.

This old man is now in sorrow almost insupportable. But a few days and it

will be supportable; a few months and it will have become no more than a

tender melancholy. At last it will disappear, and in the society of his

friends, in the skill of his cook, the profits of avarice, the study of

how to be querulous and in the pursuit of loquacity, he will again

experience the joys of age. Why for a present grief should he deprive

himself of all future happiness?"

Gnarmag-Zote looked upon me with something like compassion. "My friend,"

said he, "guest of my sovereign and my country, know that in any

circumstances, even those upon which true happiness is based and

conditioned, death is preferable to life. The sum of miseries in any life

(here in Lalugnan at least) exceeds the sum of pleasures; but suppose that

it did not. Imagine an existence in which happiness, of whatever

intensity, is the rule, and discomfort, of whatever moderation, the

exception. Still there is some discomfort. There is none in death, for (as

it is given to us to know) that is oblivion, annihilation. True, by dying

one loses his happiness as well as his sorrows, but he is not conscious of

the loss. Surely, a loss of which one will never know, and which, if it

operate to make him less happy, at the same time takes from him the desire

and capacity and need of happiness, cannot be an evil. That is so

intelligently understood among us here in Lalugnan that suicide is common,

and our word for sufferer is the same as that for fool. If this good man

had not been an idiot he would have taken his life as soon as he was

bereaved."

"If what you say of the blessing of death is true," I said, smilingly, for

I greatly prided myself on the ingenuity of my thought, "it is unnecessary

to commit suicide through grief for the dead; for the more you love the

more glad you should be that the object of your affection has passed into

so desirable a state as death."

"So we are--those of us who have cultivated philosophy, history and logic;

but this poor fellow is still under the domination of feelings inherited

from a million ignorant and superstitious ancestors--for Lalugnan was once

as barbarous a country as your own. The most grotesque and frightful

conceptions of death, and life after death, were current; and now many of

even those whose understandings are emancipated wear upon their feelings

the heavy chain of heredity."

"But," said I, "granting for the sake of the argument which I am about to

build upon the concession" (I could not bring myself to use the idiotic

and meaningless phrase, "for the sake of argument") "that death,

especially the death of a Lalugwump, is desirable, yet the act of dying,

the transition state between living and being dead, may be accompanied by

the most painful physical, and most terrifying mental phenomena. The

moment of dissolution may seem to the exalted sensibilities of the

moribund a century of horrors."

The great man smiled again, with a more intolerable benignity than before.

"There is no such thing as dying," he said; "the 'transition state' is a

creation of your fancy and an evidence of imperfect reason. One is at any

time either alive or dead. The one condition cannot shade off into the

other. There is no gradation like that between waking and sleeping. By the

way, do you recognize a certain resemblance between death and a dreamless

sleep?"

"Yes--death as you conceive it to be."

"Well, does any one fear sleep? Do we not seek it, court it, wish that it

may be sound--that is to say, dreamless? We desire occasional

annihilation--wish to be dead for eight and ten hours at a time. True, we

expect to awake, but that expectation, while it may account for our

alacrity in embracing sleep, cannot alter the character of the state that

we cheerfully go into. Suppose we did _not_ wake in the morning, never did

wake! Would our mental and spiritual condition be in any respect different

through all eternity from what it was during the first few hours? After how

many hours does oblivion begin to be an evil? The man who loves to sleep

yet hates to die might justly be granted everlasting life with everlasting

insomnia."

Gnarmag-Zote paused and appeared to be lost in the profundity of his

thoughts, but I could easily enough see that he was only taking breath.

The old man whose grief had given this turn to the conversation had fallen

asleep and was roaring in the nose like a beast. The rush of a river near

by, as it poured up a hill from the ocean, and the shrill singing of

several kinds of brilliant quadrupeds were the only other sounds audible.

I waited deferentially for the great antiquarian, scientist and courtier

to resume, amusing myself meantime by turning over the leaves of an

official report by the Minister of War on a new and improved process of

making thunder from snail slime. Presently the oracle spoke.

"You have been born," he said, which was true. "There was, it follows, a

time when you had not been born. As we reckon time, it was probably some

millions of ages. Of this considerable period you are unable to remember

one unhappy moment, and in point of fact there was none. To a Lalugwump

that is entirely conclusive as to the relative values of consciousness and

oblivion, existence and nonexistence, life and death. This old man lying

here at my feet is now, if not dreaming, as if he had never been born.

Would not it be cruel and inhuman to wake him back to grief? Is it, then,

kind to permit him to wake by the natural action of his own physical

energies? I have given him the advice for which he asked. Believing it

good advice, and seeing him too irresolute to act, it seems my clear duty

to assist him."

Before I could interfere, even had I dared take the liberty to do so,

Gnarmag-Zote struck the old man a terrible blow upon the head with his

mace of office. The victim turned upon his back, spread his fingers,

shivered convulsively and was dead.

"You need not be shocked," said the distinguished assassin, coolly: "I

have but performed a sacred duty and religious rite. The religion

(established first in this realm by King Skanghutch, the sixty-second of

that name) consists in the worship of Death. We have sacred books, some

three thousand thick volumes, said to be written by inspiration of Death

himself, whom no mortal has ever seen, but who is described by our priests

as having the figure of a fat young man with a red face and wearing an

affable smile. In art he is commonly represented in the costume of a

husbandman sowing seeds.

"The priests and sacred books teach that death is the supreme and only

good--that the chief duties of man are, therefore, assassination and

suicide. Conviction of these cardinal truths is universal among us, but I

am sorry to say that many do not honestly live up to the faith. Most of us

are commendably zealous in assassination, but slack and lukewarm in

suicide. Some justify themselves in this half-hearted observance of the

Law and imperfect submission to the Spirit by arguing that if they destroy

themselves their usefulness in destroying others will be greatly abridged.

'I find,' says one of our most illustrious writers, not without a certain

force, it must be confessed, 'that I can slay many more of others than I

can of myself.'

"There are still others, more distinguished for faith than works, who

reason that if A kill B, B cannot kill C. So it happens that although many

Lalugwumps die, mostly by the hands of others, though some by their own,

the country is never wholly depopulated."

"In my own country," said I, "is a sect holding somewhat Lalugwumpian

views of the evil of life; and among the members it is considered a sin to

bestow it. The philosopher Schopenhauer taught the same doctrine, and many

of our rulers have shown strong sympathetic leanings toward it by

procuring the destruction of many of their own people and those of other

nations in what is called war."

"They are greatly to be commended," said Gnarmag-Zote, rising to intimate

that the conversation was at an end. I respectfully protruded my tongue

while he withdrew into his palace, spitting politely and with unusual

copiousness in acknowledgment. A few minutes later, but before I had left

the spot, two lackeys in livery emerged from the door by which he had

entered, and while one shouldered the body of the old man and carried it

into the palace kitchen the other informed me that his Highness was

graciously pleased to desire my company at dinner that evening. With many

expressions of regret I declined the invitation, unaware that to do so was

treason. With the circumstances of my escape to the island of Tamtonia the

newspapers have made the world already familiar.

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