SOCRATES: It is as follows:--

'I am a maiden of bronze and lie on the tomb of Midas; So long as water

flows and tall trees grow, So long here on this spot by his sad tomb

abiding, I shall declare to passers-by that Midas sleeps below.'

Now in this rhyme whether a line comes first or comes last, as you will

perceive, makes no difference.

PHAEDRUS: You are making fun of that oration of ours.

SOCRATES: Well, I will say no more about your friend's speech lest I

should give offence to you; although I think that it might furnish many

other examples of what a man ought rather to avoid. But I will proceed

to the other speech, which, as I think, is also suggestive to students

of rhetoric.

PHAEDRUS: In what way?

SOCRATES: The two speeches, as you may remember, were unlike; the one

argued that the lover and the other that the non-lover ought to be

accepted.

PHAEDRUS: And right manfully.

SOCRATES: You should rather say 'madly;' and madness was the argument of

them, for, as I said, 'love is a madness.'

PHAEDRUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And of madness there were two kinds; one produced by human

infirmity, the other was a divine release of the soul from the yoke of

custom and convention.

PHAEDRUS: True.

SOCRATES: The divine madness was subdivided into four kinds, prophetic,

initiatory, poetic, erotic, having four gods presiding over them; the

first was the inspiration of Apollo, the second that of Dionysus, the

third that of the Muses, the fourth that of Aphrodite and Eros. In the

description of the last kind of madness, which was also said to be

the best, we spoke of the affection of love in a figure, into which we

introduced a tolerably credible and possibly true though partly erring

myth, which was also a hymn in honour of Love, who is your lord and also

mine, Phaedrus, and the guardian of fair children, and to him we sung

the hymn in measured and solemn strain.

PHAEDRUS: I know that I had great pleasure in listening to you.

SOCRATES: Let us take this instance and note how the transition was made

from blame to praise.

PHAEDRUS: What do you mean?

SOCRATES: I mean to say that the composition was mostly playful. Yet in

these chance fancies of the hour were involved two principles of which

we should be too glad to have a clearer description if art could give us

one.

PHAEDRUS: What are they?

SOCRATES: First, the comprehension of scattered particulars in one idea;

as in our definition of love, which whether true or false certainly gave

clearness and consistency to the discourse, the speaker should define

his several notions and so make his meaning clear.

PHAEDRUS: What is the other principle, Socrates?

SOCRATES: The second principle is that of division into species

according to the natural formation, where the joint is, not breaking any

part as a bad carver might. Just as our two discourses, alike assumed,

first of all, a single form of unreason; and then, as the body which

from being one becomes double and may be divided into a left side and

right side, each having parts right and left of the same name--after

this manner the speaker proceeded to divide the parts of the left side

and did not desist until he found in them an evil or left-handed love

which he justly reviled; and the other discourse leading us to the

madness which lay on the right side, found another love, also having the

same name, but divine, which the speaker held up before us and applauded

and affirmed to be the author of the greatest benefits.

PHAEDRUS: Most true.

SOCRATES: I am myself a great lover of these processes of division and

generalization; they help me to speak and to think. And if I find any

man who is able to see 'a One and Many' in nature, him I follow, and

'walk in his footsteps as if he were a god.' And those who have this

art, I have hitherto been in the habit of calling dialecticians; but God

knows whether the name is right or not. And I should like to know what

name you would give to your or to Lysias' disciples, and whether this

may not be that famous art of rhetoric which Thrasymachus and others

teach and practise? Skilful speakers they are, and impart their skill to

any who is willing to make kings of them and to bring gifts to them.

PHAEDRUS: Yes, they are royal men; but their art is not the same

with the art of those whom you call, and rightly, in my opinion,

dialecticians:--Still we are in the dark about rhetoric.

SOCRATES: What do you mean? The remains of it, if there be anything

remaining which can be brought under rules of art, must be a fine thing;

and, at any rate, is not to be despised by you and me. But how much is

left?

PHAEDRUS: There is a great deal surely to be found in books of rhetoric?

SOCRATES: Yes; thank you for reminding me:--There is the exordium,

showing how the speech should begin, if I remember rightly; that is what

you mean--the niceties of the art?

PHAEDRUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then follows the statement of facts, and upon that witnesses;

thirdly, proofs; fourthly, probabilities are to come; the great

Byzantian word-maker also speaks, if I am not mistaken, of confirmation

and further confirmation.

PHAEDRUS: You mean the excellent Theodorus.

SOCRATES: Yes; and he tells how refutation or further refutation is to

be managed, whether in accusation or defence. I ought also to mention

the illustrious Parian, Evenus, who first invented insinuations and

indirect praises; and also indirect censures, which according to some

he put into verse to help the memory. But shall I 'to dumb forgetfulness

consign' Tisias and Gorgias, who are not ignorant that probability is

superior to truth, and who by force of argument make the little appear

great and the great little, disguise the new in old fashions and the old

in new fashions, and have discovered forms for everything, either short

or going on to infinity. I remember Prodicus laughing when I told him of

this; he said that he had himself discovered the true rule of art, which

was to be neither long nor short, but of a convenient length.

PHAEDRUS: Well done, Prodicus!

SOCRATES: Then there is Hippias the Elean stranger, who probably agrees

with him.

PHAEDRUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And there is also Polus, who has treasuries of diplasiology,

and gnomology, and eikonology, and who teaches in them the names of

which Licymnius made him a present; they were to give a polish.

PHAEDRUS: Had not Protagoras something of the same sort?

SOCRATES: Yes, rules of correct diction and many other fine precepts;

for the 'sorrows of a poor old man,' or any other pathetic case, no one

is better than the Chalcedonian giant; he can put a whole company of

people into a passion and out of one again by his mighty magic, and

is first-rate at inventing or disposing of any sort of calumny on any

grounds or none. All of them agree in asserting that a speech should end

in a recapitulation, though they do not all agree to use the same word.

PHAEDRUS: You mean that there should be a summing up of the arguments in

order to remind the hearers of them.

SOCRATES: I have now said all that I have to say of the art of rhetoric:

have you anything to add?

PHAEDRUS: Not much; nothing very important.

SOCRATES: Leave the unimportant and let us bring the really important

question into the light of day, which is: What power has this art of

rhetoric, and when?

PHAEDRUS: A very great power in public meetings.

SOCRATES: It has. But I should like to know whether you have the same

feeling as I have about the rhetoricians? To me there seem to be a great

many holes in their web.

PHAEDRUS: Give an example.

SOCRATES: I will. Suppose a person to come to your friend Eryximachus,

or to his father Acumenus, and to say to him: 'I know how to apply drugs

which shall have either a heating or a cooling effect, and I can give

a vomit and also a purge, and all that sort of thing; and knowing all

this, as I do, I claim to be a physician and to make physicians by

imparting this knowledge to others,'--what do you suppose that they

would say?

PHAEDRUS: They would be sure to ask him whether he knew 'to whom' he

would give his medicines, and 'when,' and 'how much.'

SOCRATES: And suppose that he were to reply: 'No; I know nothing of all

that; I expect the patient who consults me to be able to do these things

for himself'?

PHAEDRUS: They would say in reply that he is a madman or a pedant who

fancies that he is a physician because he has read something in a

book, or has stumbled on a prescription or two, although he has no real

understanding of the art of medicine.

SOCRATES: And suppose a person were to come to Sophocles or Euripides

and say that he knows how to make a very long speech about a small

matter, and a short speech about a great matter, and also a sorrowful

speech, or a terrible, or threatening speech, or any other kind of

speech, and in teaching this fancies that he is teaching the art of

tragedy--?

PHAEDRUS: They too would surely laugh at him if he fancies that tragedy

is anything but the arranging of these elements in a manner which will

be suitable to one another and to the whole.

SOCRATES: But I do not suppose that they would be rude or abusive to

him: Would they not treat him as a musician a man who thinks that he is

a harmonist because he knows how to pitch the highest and lowest note;

happening to meet such an one he would not say to him savagely, 'Fool,

you are mad!' But like a musician, in a gentle and harmonious tone of

voice, he would answer: 'My good friend, he who would be a harmonist

must certainly know this, and yet he may understand nothing of harmony

if he has not got beyond your stage of knowledge, for you only know the

preliminaries of harmony and not harmony itself.'

PHAEDRUS: Very true.

SOCRATES: And will not Sophocles say to the display of the would-be

tragedian, that this is not tragedy but the preliminaries of tragedy?

and will not Acumenus say the same of medicine to the would-be

physician?

PHAEDRUS: Quite true.

SOCRATES: And if Adrastus the mellifluous or Pericles heard of these

wonderful arts, brachylogies and eikonologies and all the hard names

which we have been endeavouring to draw into the light of day, what

would they say? Instead of losing temper and applying uncomplimentary

epithets, as you and I have been doing, to the authors of such an

imaginary art, their superior wisdom would rather censure us, as well

as them. 'Have a little patience, Phaedrus and Socrates, they would say;

you should not be in such a passion with those who from some want of

dialectical skill are unable to define the nature of rhetoric, and

consequently suppose that they have found the art in the preliminary

conditions of it, and when these have been taught by them to others,

fancy that the whole art of rhetoric has been taught by them; but as

to using the several instruments of the art effectively, or making the

composition a whole,--an application of it such as this is they regard

as an easy thing which their disciples may make for themselves.'

PHAEDRUS: I quite admit, Socrates, that the art of rhetoric which these

men teach and of which they write is such as you describe--there I

agree with you. But I still want to know where and how the true art of

rhetoric and persuasion is to be acquired.

SOCRATES: The perfection which is required of the finished orator is,

or rather must be, like the perfection of anything else; partly given by

nature, but may also be assisted by art. If you have the natural power

and add to it knowledge and practice, you will be a distinguished

speaker; if you fall short in either of these, you will be to that

extent defective. But the art, as far as there is an art, of rhetoric

does not lie in the direction of Lysias or Thrasymachus.

PHAEDRUS: In what direction then?

SOCRATES: I conceive Pericles to have been the most accomplished of

rhetoricians.

PHAEDRUS: What of that?

SOCRATES: All the great arts require discussion and high speculation

about the truths of nature; hence come loftiness of thought and

completeness of execution. And this, as I conceive, was the quality

which, in addition to his natural gifts, Pericles acquired from his

intercourse with Anaxagoras whom he happened to know. He was thus imbued

with the higher philosophy, and attained the knowledge of Mind and the

negative of Mind, which were favourite themes of Anaxagoras, and applied

what suited his purpose to the art of speaking.

PHAEDRUS: Explain.

SOCRATES: Rhetoric is like medicine.

PHAEDRUS: How so?

SOCRATES: Why, because medicine has to define the nature of the body

and rhetoric of the soul--if we would proceed, not empirically but

scientifically, in the one case to impart health and strength by giving

medicine and food, in the other to implant the conviction or virtue

which you desire, by the right application of words and training.

PHAEDRUS: There, Socrates, I suspect that you are right.

SOCRATES: And do you think that you can know the nature of the soul

intelligently without knowing the nature of the whole?

PHAEDRUS: Hippocrates the Asclepiad says that the nature even of the

body can only be understood as a whole. (Compare Charmides.)

SOCRATES: Yes, friend, and he was right:--still, we ought not to be

content with the name of Hippocrates, but to examine and see whether his

argument agrees with his conception of nature.

PHAEDRUS: I agree.

SOCRATES: Then consider what truth as well as Hippocrates says about

this or about any other nature. Ought we not to consider first whether

that which we wish to learn and to teach is a simple or multiform thing,

and if simple, then to enquire what power it has of acting or being

acted upon in relation to other things, and if multiform, then to number

the forms; and see first in the case of one of them, and then in the

case of all of them, what is that power of acting or being acted upon

which makes each and all of them to be what they are?

PHAEDRUS: You may very likely be right, Socrates.

SOCRATES: The method which proceeds without analysis is like the groping

of a blind man. Yet, surely, he who is an artist ought not to admit of

a comparison with the blind, or deaf. The rhetorician, who teaches his

pupil to speak scientifically, will particularly set forth the nature of

that being to which he addresses his speeches; and this, I conceive, to

be the soul.

PHAEDRUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: His whole effort is directed to the soul; for in that he seeks

to produce conviction.

PHAEDRUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then clearly, Thrasymachus or any one else who teaches

rhetoric in earnest will give an exact description of the nature of the

soul; which will enable us to see whether she be single and same, or,

like the body, multiform. That is what we should call showing the nature

of the soul.

PHAEDRUS: Exactly.

SOCRATES: He will explain, secondly, the mode in which she acts or is

acted upon.

PHAEDRUS: True.

SOCRATES: Thirdly, having classified men and speeches, and their kinds

and affections, and adapted them to one another, he will tell the

reasons of his arrangement, and show why one soul is persuaded by a

particular form of argument, and another not.

PHAEDRUS: You have hit upon a very good way.

SOCRATES: Yes, that is the true and only way in which any subject can

be set forth or treated by rules of art, whether in speaking or writing.

But the writers of the present day, at whose feet you have sat, craftily

conceal the nature of the soul which they know quite well. Nor, until

they adopt our method of reading and writing, can we admit that they

write by rules of art?

PHAEDRUS: What is our method?

SOCRATES: I cannot give you the exact details; but I should like to

tell you generally, as far as is in my power, how a man ought to proceed

according to rules of art.

PHAEDRUS: Let me hear.

SOCRATES: Oratory is the art of enchanting the soul, and therefore he

who would be an orator has to learn the differences of human souls--they

are so many and of such a nature, and from them come the differences

between man and man. Having proceeded thus far in his analysis, he

will next divide speeches into their different classes:--'Such and such

persons,' he will say, are affected by this or that kind of speech in

this or that way,' and he will tell you why. The pupil must have a good

theoretical notion of them first, and then he must have experience of

them in actual life, and be able to follow them with all his senses

about him, or he will never get beyond the precepts of his masters. But

when he understands what persons are persuaded by what arguments, and

sees the person about whom he was speaking in the abstract actually

before him, and knows that it is he, and can say to himself, 'This is

the man or this is the character who ought to have a certain argument

applied to him in order to convince him of a certain opinion;'--he who

knows all this, and knows also when he should speak and when he should

refrain, and when he should use pithy sayings, pathetic appeals,

sensational effects, and all the other modes of speech which he has

learned;--when, I say, he knows the times and seasons of all these

things, then, and not till then, he is a perfect master of his art; but

if he fail in any of these points, whether in speaking or teaching or

writing them, and yet declares that he speaks by rules of art, he who

says 'I don't believe you' has the better of him. Well, the teacher will

say, is this, Phaedrus and Socrates, your account of the so-called art

of rhetoric, or am I to look for another?

PHAEDRUS: He must take this, Socrates, for there is no possibility of

another, and yet the creation of such an art is not easy.

SOCRATES: Very true; and therefore let us consider this matter in every

light, and see whether we cannot find a shorter and easier road; there

is no use in taking a long rough roundabout way if there be a shorter

and easier one. And I wish that you would try and remember whether

you have heard from Lysias or any one else anything which might be of

service to us.

PHAEDRUS: If trying would avail, then I might; but at the moment I can

think of nothing.

SOCRATES: Suppose I tell you something which somebody who knows told me.

PHAEDRUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: May not 'the wolf,' as the proverb says, 'claim a hearing'?

PHAEDRUS: Do you say what can be said for him.

SOCRATES: He will argue that there is no use in putting a solemn face

on these matters, or in going round and round, until you arrive at first

principles; for, as I said at first, when the question is of justice and

good, or is a question in which men are concerned who are just and good,

either by nature or habit, he who would be a skilful rhetorician has

no need of truth--for that in courts of law men literally care

nothing about truth, but only about conviction: and this is based on

probability, to which he who would be a skilful orator should therefore

give his whole attention. And they say also that there are cases in

which the actual facts, if they are improbable, ought to be withheld,

and only the probabilities should be told either in accusation or

defence, and that always in speaking, the orator should keep probability

in view, and say good-bye to the truth. And the observance of this

principle throughout a speech furnishes the whole art.

PHAEDRUS: That is what the professors of rhetoric do actually say,

Socrates. I have not forgotten that we have quite briefly touched upon

this matter already; with them the point is all-important.

SOCRATES: I dare say that you are familiar with Tisias. Does he not

define probability to be that which the many think?

PHAEDRUS: Certainly, he does.

SOCRATES: I believe that he has a clever and ingenious case of this

sort:--He supposes a feeble and valiant man to have assaulted a strong

and cowardly one, and to have robbed him of his coat or of something or

other; he is brought into court, and then Tisias says that both parties

should tell lies: the coward should say that he was assaulted by more

men than one; the other should prove that they were alone, and should

argue thus: 'How could a weak man like me have assaulted a strong man

like him?' The complainant will not like to confess his own cowardice,

and will therefore invent some other lie which his adversary will thus

gain an opportunity of refuting. And there are other devices of the same

kind which have a place in the system. Am I not right, Phaedrus?

PHAEDRUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: Bless me, what a wonderfully mysterious art is this which

Tisias or some other gentleman, in whatever name or country he rejoices,

has discovered. Shall we say a word to him or not?

PHAEDRUS: What shall we say to him?

SOCRATES: Let us tell him that, before he appeared, you and I were

saying that the probability of which he speaks was engendered in the

minds of the many by the likeness of the truth, and we had just been

affirming that he who knew the truth would always know best how to

discover the resemblances of the truth. If he has anything else to say

about the art of speaking we should like to hear him; but if not, we

are satisfied with our own view, that unless a man estimates the various

characters of his hearers and is able to divide all things into classes

and to comprehend them under single ideas, he will never be a skilful

rhetorician even within the limits of human power. And this skill he

will not attain without a great deal of trouble, which a good man ought

to undergo, not for the sake of speaking and acting before men, but in

order that he may be able to say what is acceptable to God and always

to act acceptably to Him as far as in him lies; for there is a saying of

wiser men than ourselves, that a man of sense should not try to please

his fellow-servants (at least this should not be his first object)

but his good and noble masters; and therefore if the way is long and

circuitous, marvel not at this, for, where the end is great, there we

may take the longer road, but not for lesser ends such as yours. Truly,

the argument may say, Tisias, that if you do not mind going so far,

rhetoric has a fair beginning here.

PHAEDRUS: I think, Socrates, that this is admirable, if only

practicable.

SOCRATES: But even to fail in an honourable object is honourable.

PHAEDRUS: True.

SOCRATES: Enough appears to have been said by us of a true and false art

of speaking.

PHAEDRUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: But there is something yet to be said of propriety and

impropriety of writing.

PHAEDRUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Do you know how you can speak or act about rhetoric in a

manner which will be acceptable to God?

PHAEDRUS: No, indeed. Do you?

SOCRATES: I have heard a tradition of the ancients, whether true or not

they only know; although if we had found the truth ourselves, do you

think that we should care much about the opinions of men?

PHAEDRUS: Your question needs no answer; but I wish that you would tell

me what you say that you have heard.

SOCRATES: At the Egyptian city of Naucratis, there was a famous old god,

whose name was Theuth; the bird which is called the Ibis is sacred

to him, and he was the inventor of many arts, such as arithmetic and

calculation and geometry and astronomy and draughts and dice, but his

great discovery was the use of letters. Now in those days the god Thamus

was the king of the whole country of Egypt; and he dwelt in that great

city of Upper Egypt which the Hellenes call Egyptian Thebes, and the

god himself is called by them Ammon. To him came Theuth and showed his

inventions, desiring that the other Egyptians might be allowed to have

the benefit of them; he enumerated them, and Thamus enquired about

their several uses, and praised some of them and censured others, as he

approved or disapproved of them. It would take a long time to repeat all

that Thamus said to Theuth in praise or blame of the various arts. But

when they came to letters, This, said Theuth, will make the Egyptians

wiser and give them better memories; it is a specific both for the

memory and for the wit. Thamus replied: O most ingenious Theuth, the

parent or inventor of an art is not always the best judge of the utility

or inutility of his own inventions to the users of them. And in this

instance, you who are the father of letters, from a paternal love of

your own children have been led to attribute to them a quality which

they cannot have; for this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness

in the learners' souls, because they will not use their memories;

they will trust to the external written characters and not remember

of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to

memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but

only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and

will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will

generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show

of wisdom without the reality.

PHAEDRUS: Yes, Socrates, you can easily invent tales of Egypt, or of any

other country.

SOCRATES: There was a tradition in the temple of Dodona that oaks first

gave prophetic utterances. The men of old, unlike in their simplicity to

young philosophy, deemed that if they heard the truth even from 'oak or

rock,' it was enough for them; whereas you seem to consider not whether

a thing is or is not true, but who the speaker is and from what country

the tale comes.

PHAEDRUS: I acknowledge the justice of your rebuke; and I think that the

Theban is right in his view about letters.

SOCRATES: He would be a very simple person, and quite a stranger to the

oracles of Thamus or Ammon, who should leave in writing or receive

in writing any art under the idea that the written word would be

intelligible or certain; or who deemed that writing was at all better

than knowledge and recollection of the same matters?

PHAEDRUS: That is most true.

SOCRATES: I cannot help feeling, Phaedrus, that writing is unfortunately

like painting; for the creations of the painter have the attitude of

life, and yet if you ask them a question they preserve a solemn silence.

And the same may be said of speeches. You would imagine that they had

intelligence, but if you want to know anything and put a question to one

of them, the speaker always gives one unvarying answer. And when they

have been once written down they are tumbled about anywhere among those

who may or may not understand them, and know not to whom they should

reply, to whom not: and, if they are maltreated or abused, they have no

parent to protect them; and they cannot protect or defend themselves.

PHAEDRUS: That again is most true.

SOCRATES: Is there not another kind of word or speech far better than

this, and having far greater power--a son of the same family, but

lawfully begotten?

PHAEDRUS: Whom do you mean, and what is his origin?

SOCRATES: I mean an intelligent word graven in the soul of the learner,

which can defend itself, and knows when to speak and when to be silent.

PHAEDRUS: You mean the living word of knowledge which has a soul, and of

which the written word is properly no more than an image?

SOCRATES: Yes, of course that is what I mean. And now may I be allowed

to ask you a question: Would a husbandman, who is a man of sense, take

the seeds, which he values and which he wishes to bear fruit, and in

sober seriousness plant them during the heat of summer, in some garden

of Adonis, that he may rejoice when he sees them in eight days appearing

in beauty? at least he would do so, if at all, only for the sake of

amusement and pastime. But when he is in earnest he sows in fitting

soil, and practises husbandry, and is satisfied if in eight months the

seeds which he has sown arrive at perfection?

PHAEDRUS: Yes, Socrates, that will be his way when he is in earnest; he

will do the other, as you say, only in play.

SOCRATES: And can we suppose that he who knows the just and good and

honourable has less understanding, than the husbandman, about his own

seeds?

PHAEDRUS: Certainly not.

SOCRATES: Then he will not seriously incline to 'write' his thoughts

'in water' with pen and ink, sowing words which can neither speak for

themselves nor teach the truth adequately to others?

PHAEDRUS: No, that is not likely.

SOCRATES: No, that is not likely--in the garden of letters he will sow

and plant, but only for the sake of recreation and amusement; he will

write them down as memorials to be treasured against the forgetfulness

of old age, by himself, or by any other old man who is treading the same

path. He will rejoice in beholding their tender growth; and while others

are refreshing their souls with banqueting and the like, this will be

the pastime in which his days are spent.

PHAEDRUS: A pastime, Socrates, as noble as the other is ignoble, the

pastime of a man who can be amused by serious talk, and can discourse

merrily about justice and the like.

SOCRATES: True, Phaedrus. But nobler far is the serious pursuit of the

dialectician, who, finding a congenial soul, by the help of science sows

and plants therein words which are able to help themselves and him who

planted them, and are not unfruitful, but have in them a seed which

others brought up in different soils render immortal, making the

possessors of it happy to the utmost extent of human happiness.

PHAEDRUS: Far nobler, certainly.

SOCRATES: And now, Phaedrus, having agreed upon the premises we may

decide about the conclusion.

PHAEDRUS: About what conclusion?

SOCRATES: About Lysias, whom we censured, and his art of writing, and

his discourses, and the rhetorical skill or want of skill which was

shown in them--these are the questions which we sought to determine, and

they brought us to this point. And I think that we are now pretty well

informed about the nature of art and its opposite.

PHAEDRUS: Yes, I think with you; but I wish that you would repeat what

was said.

SOCRATES: Until a man knows the truth of the several particulars of

which he is writing or speaking, and is able to define them as they are,

and having defined them again to divide them until they can be no longer

divided, and until in like manner he is able to discern the nature

of the soul, and discover the different modes of discourse which are

adapted to different natures, and to arrange and dispose them in such

a way that the simple form of speech may be addressed to the simpler

nature, and the complex and composite to the more complex nature--until

he has accomplished all this, he will be unable to handle arguments

according to rules of art, as far as their nature allows them to

be subjected to art, either for the purpose of teaching or

persuading;--such is the view which is implied in the whole preceding

argument.

PHAEDRUS: Yes, that was our view, certainly.

SOCRATES: Secondly, as to the censure which was passed on the speaking

or writing of discourses, and how they might be rightly or wrongly

censured--did not our previous argument show--?

PHAEDRUS: Show what?

SOCRATES: That whether Lysias or any other writer that ever was or will

be, whether private man or statesman, proposes laws and so becomes

the author of a political treatise, fancying that there is any great

certainty and clearness in his performance, the fact of his so writing

is only a disgrace to him, whatever men may say. For not to know the

nature of justice and injustice, and good and evil, and not to be able

to distinguish the dream from the reality, cannot in truth be otherwise

than disgraceful to him, even though he have the applause of the whole

world.

PHAEDRUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: But he who thinks that in the written word there is

necessarily much which is not serious, and that neither poetry

nor prose, spoken or written, is of any great value, if, like the

compositions of the rhapsodes, they are only recited in order to be

believed, and not with any view to criticism or instruction; and who

thinks that even the best of writings are but a reminiscence of what we

know, and that only in principles of justice and goodness and nobility

taught and communicated orally for the sake of instruction and graven

in the soul, which is the true way of writing, is there clearness and

perfection and seriousness, and that such principles are a man's own and

his legitimate offspring;--being, in the first place, the word which

he finds in his own bosom; secondly, the brethren and descendants and

relations of his idea which have been duly implanted by him in the souls

of others;--and who cares for them and no others--this is the right sort

of man; and you and I, Phaedrus, would pray that we may become like him.

PHAEDRUS: That is most assuredly my desire and prayer.

SOCRATES: And now the play is played out; and of rhetoric enough. Go and

tell Lysias that to the fountain and school of the Nymphs we went

down, and were bidden by them to convey a message to him and to other

composers of speeches--to Homer and other writers of poems, whether set

to music or not; and to Solon and others who have composed writings in

the form of political discourses which they would term laws--to all of

them we are to say that if their compositions are based on knowledge of

the truth, and they can defend or prove them, when they are put to the

test, by spoken arguments, which leave their writings poor in

comparison of them, then they are to be called, not only poets, orators,

legislators, but are worthy of a higher name, befitting the serious

pursuit of their life.

PHAEDRUS: What name would you assign to them?

SOCRATES: Wise, I may not call them; for that is a great name which

belongs to God alone,--lovers of wisdom or philosophers is their modest

and befitting title.

PHAEDRUS: Very suitable.

SOCRATES: And he who cannot rise above his own compilations and

compositions, which he has been long patching and piecing, adding some

and taking away some, may be justly called poet or speech-maker or

law-maker.

PHAEDRUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: Now go and tell this to your companion.

PHAEDRUS: But there is also a friend of yours who ought not to be

forgotten.

SOCRATES: Who is he?

PHAEDRUS: Isocrates the fair:--What message will you send to him, and

how shall we describe him?

SOCRATES: Isocrates is still young, Phaedrus; but I am willing to hazard

a prophecy concerning him.

PHAEDRUS: What would you prophesy?

SOCRATES: I think that he has a genius which soars above the orations of

Lysias, and that his character is cast in a finer mould. My impression

of him is that he will marvellously improve as he grows older, and that

all former rhetoricians will be as children in comparison of him. And I

believe that he will not be satisfied with rhetoric, but that there is

in him a divine inspiration which will lead him to things higher still.

For he has an element of philosophy in his nature. This is the message

of the gods dwelling in this place, and which I will myself deliver to

Isocrates, who is my delight; and do you give the other to Lysias, who

is yours.

PHAEDRUS: I will; and now as the heat is abated let us depart.

SOCRATES: Should we not offer up a prayer first of all to the local

deities?

PHAEDRUS: By all means.

SOCRATES: Beloved Pan, and all ye other gods who haunt this place, give

me beauty in the inward soul; and may the outward and inward man be

at one. May I reckon the wise to be the wealthy, and may I have such

a quantity of gold as a temperate man and he only can bear and

carry.--Anything more? The prayer, I think, is enough for me.

PHAEDRUS: Ask the same for me, for friends should have all things in

common.

SOCRATES: Let us go.

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