"I ricollects dat when de news come dat dem yankees was on de way

towards our plantation, Old Mist'ess tuk her old pacin' mule and all her

money and made Uncle Moses go down on de river wid her to help hide 'em.

I told her I was gwine tell dem yankees she had done stole my uncle and

hid him so he wouldn't hear 'bout freedom. And when dem yankees finally

did git dar, dey was singin' some sort of a song 'bout freedom. I lit

out to runnin', and it was way atter midnight 'fore Old Mist'ess found

me. I was pretty nigh skeered to death. Dey called all de slaves

together and told 'em dey was free as jack rabbits, and 'deed dat was de

truth. Us stayed dar for years. It looked lak us warn't never gwine to

leave.

"Grandma started out to wuk for herself as a granny 'oman, and Old

Mist'ess give her a mule to ride on to make her trips from one farm to

another. It was a long time 'fore Niggers could git 'nough money

together for to buy land of deir own, and it seems lak it was a long

time 'fore schools for Niggers was sot up.

"When me and Oscar Harris got married, us had a big weddin' wid

evvything good to eat what us could git, and plenty of wine to drink. De

dancin' and good time went on most all night. I had a reg'lar weddin'

dress made out of pretty white swiss trimmed wid lots of lace and it had

a long train. I wore long white gloves. Tucks went 'round my petticoat

from de knees to de lace what aidged de bottom, and my draw's was white

cambric, gathered at de knee wid a wide ruffle what was tucked and

trimmed up pretty. I married on Saddy night and dat called for a second

day dress, 'cause I jus' had to go to church next day and show dat man

off. Anyhow, my second day dress was blue cotton wid white lace on it,

and I wore a big white plumed hat draped down over one eye. Wid de

second day dress I wore dem same draw's, petticoat, and gloves what I

was married in. Me and Oscar's five chillun was Mary, Annie Belle,

Daniel, Cleveland, and Austin.

"My old man and all my chillun is daid 'cept Daniel, and I don't know

whar he is. I wants to git married again, but dese hyar jealious Niggers

'round hyar says if I does de giver'ment is gwine to cut off my old age

pension, and I sho' don't want to loose dat money. No Sir!

"I didn't take in nothin' 'bout Lincoln, Davis or dat man Washington.

Dem days chillun had to take a back seat. When old folks wanted to talk,

dey jus' sent chillun on 'bout dey business. One thing I does know: I'd

sho' ruther have times lak dey is now. Yessum, I sho' had.

"I jined Randolph Baptist Church in Greene County 'cause I felt de urge

and knowed it had done got to be my duty to jine up. I'se been a Baptist

ever since, and will be one 'til I die; so was all my folks 'fore me.

Folks when dey jine de church ought to live right so dey kin see de good

Lord and have a restin' place atter dey is done wid dis sinful world.

Yessum, I jined dat Randolph Baptist Church way down in Greene County a

long time ago."

Mary A. Crawford

Re-search Worker

Henderson Harris--Ex-Slave

Henderson Harris was born August 19, 1858, in Talbot County. His parents

were Frederick and Adeline Harris of Jones County, but Henderson

remembers nothing about them because they both were sold on the block

and left him when he was just a few months old.

Mr. Bill Adams, Henderson's owner, lived on a large plantation on the

old stage road between Macon and Columbus. There were about three

hundred acres in this plantation and between thirty and fifty slaves.

Mr. Adams was just a "straight out farmer, and as good a marster as ever

wore shoe leather. 'Marse Bill' was a putty hard man about business, and

meant 'skat' when he said 'skat'".

He had a white preacher and a white doctor on his plantation, and

expected all the Negroes to go to 'preachin' on Sunday afternoon, and if

any of them were sick enough to need a doctor, they had him. The doctor

came around about once a month and every slave was looked after.

The slaves were allowed Saturday afternoons, provided there was no

fodder or other stuff down in the field to be put into the barn loft in

case of rain. From breakfast on, they had all Sunday, even the

cook and other house servants. "Ole Miss had the cook bake up light

bread and make pies on Saturday to do at the big house through Sunday."

The first work that Henderson remembers doing was "totin peaches to the

pigs" and "drapin' peas".

He recalls nothing about the Yankees coming through, but remembers the

others telling how they burned the warehouse and drove off the cattle

and hogs.

After freedom his mammy and daddy returned to 'ole Marster's' plantation

and he and the other seven children lived with them and worked for

'Marse Bill'.

The old fellow is very superstitious and firmly believes that the

"squinch" owl's note is a "sho sign o' death."

Henderson says that he is able to work and that he cleans yards, cuts

wood, and does almost any kind of job [HW: that] he can find.

Henderson Harris

808 E. Slaton Avenue

Griffin, Georgia

September 23, 1936.

Velma Bell

District #2

Augusta, Ga.

EX-SLAVE INTERVIEW

Uncle Shang Harris

Toccoa, Georgia (Stephens County)

"Uncle Shang" Harris, at the age of 97, is more vigorous than many men

twenty years younger. Erect and stocky, holding his white woolly head

high, he retains the full favor of living. When the interviewer entered

his cabin he rose from the supper table wiping from his mouth the crumbs

of a hearty meal, and peered uncertainly through the gathering dark.

"Does I 'member 'bout slav'ey times?" His face relaxed into a broad

smile, "G-lory, hallelujah, I sho does! I was born den and freed den.

What you wanter know? I kin tell you all about it." He led the way to

two chairs near the stove.

"My marster was Mr. Bob Alexander. He lived in Franklin County jes' dis

side o' Carnesville. He treated me good--yes mam, he sho did. My marster

didn't have no beatin' o' his niggers. I didn't do no work back in dem

times--nuttin' but play. Me and my sister belonged to de youngest boy

(dey was seven boys in dat family) and we jes' climbed trees and

frolicked all de time. We had plenty in de eatin' line too.

"But law chile, eve'ybody didn't have dat. Some de marsters tied dey

niggers to posts and whupped 'em till dey nigh killed 'em. Lots of 'em

run away and hid in de woods. De marsters would put de dogs after you

jes' like a coon. Dey'd run you and tree you"--imitating the sound of

baying dogs--"oh, glory, hallelujah--dat's de way dey done 'em! I'se

seed bare feets all cracked up wid de cold. We don't have no cold

weather now. Why, I'se seed big pine trees bust wide open--done froze,

and de niggers would be out in dat kind o' weather. But dey'd ruther do

dat dan stay and git beat to death. Many a night jes' 'bout dark, I'd be

a-settin' in my cabin wid my ole lady (dat was after I got older) and

see somebody prowlin' roun' in de bushes, and I'd know hit was some po'

nigger was hidin' and didn't had nuttin' to eat. My marster nuse to say,

'Harris, when you see somebody hongry, gi' 'im sumpin' to eat'. We

didn't never turn 'em down even when dey look so bad dey was right

scarey.

"No'm, I never was sold. Mr. Bob nuse to say, 'I got hogs, horses, mules

and cows to sell, but no niggers.' He had 'bout twenty slaves. De

biggest portion of 'em stayed on de farm.

"Lots o' folks did sell dey niggers, and sometimes dey'd take yo' chile

and go to Alabama or Virginia, and you wouldn't never see him no mo'.

Dey kept de dark ones together and de bright ones together. Hit didn't

make no diffunce 'bout families. Dey warn't no marryin' 'mongst de

niggers way back in time. De marsters wanted you to increase to give 'em

more niggers, but dey didn't had no marryin'. I had three wives and I

got my fourth one now. Dey all treated me good.

"Dat mixed-up color in niggers come from slav'ey times. Some de marsters

beat de slave women to make 'em give up to 'em.

"Dey talks a heap 'bout de niggers stealin'. Well, you know what was de

fust stealin' done? Hit was in Afriky, when de white folks stole de

niggers jes' like you'd go get a drove o' horses and sell 'em. Dey'd

bring a steamer down dere wid a red flag, 'cause dey knowed dem folks

liked red, and when dey see it dey'd follow it till dey got on de

steamer. Den when it was all full o' niggers dey'd bring 'em over here

and sell 'em.

"No'm I never was hired out to nobody in slav'ey times. Didn't I tole

you we didn't do no work? I never seed no money--not a nickel. De most

money I ever seed was when my boss buried some when de Yankees was.

"We nuse to have frolics and break-downs all de time--quiltin's and

finger-pickin's and dances and all sech as dat. Finger-pickin's was when

we'd pick de cotton off de seeds by hand. We'd spread it down in front

o' de fire place 'cause it was easier to pick when it was hot.

"Does I 'member de old songs? Hallelujah, I sho does!" The old darkey

began to pat his foot and clap his hands while he sang, "Pickin' out de

cotton an' de bolls all rotten", repeating the same line over and over

to a sing-song melody as impossible of transcription as a bird-call.

Suddenly his smiling face fell serious and the song stopped.

"But since de Lawd saved me from a life o' sin, I don't think about dem

things. I don't 'member 'em much now. I been saved forty odd years."

"Was that a sinful song, Uncle Shang?"

"Dat's de devil's song, dat is. A-dancin' an' a stompin' dat-a-way!

"Folks nuse to have fights sometimes at de frolics but dey didn't do no

killin'. Hit ain't like dat now. Dey stob you now, but dey didn't do dat

den. Somebody'd always stop 'em 'fore it got dat fur."

"Yes'm, we sung spirituals. We sung 'De good ole-time religion', an'

sech as dat. I can't 'member all dem good songs now."

His middle-aged wife, washing dishes over the wood stove, struck up, "I

am bound for de promise land," and he joined in with a firm voice. But

neither remembered many songs distinctly.

"We didn't had no schools. Dey wouldn't let de white chillen tell us

about books. One day I axed about sumpin' in a book, and one de chillen

say, 'Mamma tole me not to learn you nuttin' or she'd whup me'."

Asked about holidays, Uncle Shang replied, "Thanksgiving we give thanks

in de church on our knees. Warn't no slave gallery. White and colored

all together and shouted together.

"Christmas we frolic and eat cake. We had serenades, too, on banjoes and

old tin pans and whatever you wanted to make a noise. And a gallon o'

liquor--anything you want!" with a loud laugh.

"Yes, mam, I 'members when de war broke out. Hit was on a Sunday

morning, jes' as clear and bright as could be. And Gen'l Lee prayed till

it thundered. Jes' 'fore de sun riz he was fixin' to go to a battle. He

got down on his knees and he jarred de worl'. Yes, mam, hit thundered

and when de folks heered it, dey all commenced runnin' todes him wid de

butts o' dey guns, and stacked de guns 'round a sweet-apple tree." Uncle

Shang was not quite clear as to who had stacked the guns, but he was

sure it had been done.

"I 'members when de Yankees come too. De Yankees come in--well,

hallelujah!--one Friday mornin' 'bout sun-up. Mamma took a notion to go

out in de syrup-cane patch, and I was settin' on de fence. I could hear

dem cannons a-boomin' and de sun was a-risin' so red jes' like blood.

Den I seed de Yankees a-comin' wid dey blue coats on an' all dem brass

buttons jes' a-shinin'. I holler, 'Mamma--look a-yo-o-onder!' One man

had a flag wid red on it--dat's for blood. One man come in a hurry and

say, 'All come to de house.'

"Den he look at me a-settin' on de fence, and he say, 'Hey, boy, you

mighty fat'. He talk and he talk and by dat time de yard was full o'

Yankees. 'Lemme ask you sumpin', he say, 'Where's de horses?' Wid dat,

he shot off a pistol--BAM!

"My boss had done took 'em off. I say, 'I don' know nuttin' 'bout 'em.'

"All dey got from our house was a big sack o' flour. Dey didn't burn

nuttin' o' ours. Dey say, 'You all feelin' so good, havin' a good

time--we won't take nuttin.'

"De calvary was here 'fore de Yankees was. Dey had on blue coats, too.

Dey make de boss haul corn all day a-Sunday to fed dey horses.

"Dey try to git de niggers to go back North wid 'em, and dey had a big

crowd o' colored goin', but I wouldn't go. A fust cousin to my Dad left

'cause dey beat him so. I think he done well in de North. But I didn't

want to go.

"After freedom was, some de marsters wouldn't tell you. But our marster

tole us. He said, 'You free as I is. If you want to stay wid me, all

right. If not, you know where to go.'

"Mistis warn't like de boss," (mimicking a precise, slightly acid

voice), "She say, 'I don't want to hear of no fightin' now. You'll git

your arms cut off if you fight.'

"But de boss keep her cooled down. He say, 'Arms cut off--huh! You git

yo's broke off if you don't hush.'

"After freedom, we didn't work for no regular wages--jes' knock about

like chillen 'round de house. I don't know how old I was den, but I

warn't no chicken. After while I worked on de railroad, de fust one

here, what used wood burners. I helped build it. Dey's great tall pines

growin' now where dat fill was made.

"White folks nuse to travel in wagons way back in time. When dey tuk de

cotton to New York dey went to Athens in de wagons wid oxen or mules,

and den to New York on de train. De ladies rid 'round town in

carriages--Rockaways--dem low one-hoss things. De driver sat on top. He

wore a big beaver hat and good clothes and heavy gloves.

"White folks had lots o' dances and eve'ything went well. People was

mighty nice in dis country.

"One my young bosses was a doctor. Dey didn't give dem little pills you

have now, what don't do no good. Dey made tea out o' devil's shoestring,

and yerbs out de woods, and blue mass pills. When babies come, dey had

mid-wives. Dey didn't do nuttin' to cut de pains--=you got to have dem=.

"Yes, mam, I knows 'bout cunjurs--plenty o' cunjurs. Dem cunjur-folks

takes weeds and yerbs, and fixes you so you can't sleep and can't eat

and bark like a dog. One man told a girl he'd fix her so green flies 'ud

follow her all de time--and dey did!

"One of 'em gin me some stuff once. Yes, mam, like to killed de old pap.

I had done found some money in Alabama, and another man wanted me to gi'

it to him so he put sumpin' in my coffee. When I tasted dat coffee I

started cussin' (I was wicked den)--I couldn't sleep--couldn't rest. My

nephew said, 'Somebody done hurt you!' My father-in-law tuk it off. He

made some tea out o' rattle-snake master, and I drunk dat and swallowed

a silver dime. Dat tuk de cunjur off. Some says it's good to take nine

silver pieces and boil 'em and drink de water.

"I knows sumpin' 'bout ghoses, too, but my foots got temper in 'em and

when I sees anything, I runs. People say dey ain't no sech thing, but

dey is.

"Dey was a house--people couldn't live dere, but a fellow said he could

go dere, so he went. Fust thing he seed a cat rarin' and pitchin' in de

fireplace. Den dey was a kickin' up in de loft, and here come a big old

dog a-spittin', and fire all spranglin' out. He rared and growled. Den

in come a woman. He say, 'What'll you have, lady?' She say, 'Dey's ten

thousand dollars buried right where I'm a-standin'.

"He stayed dere till he got it too. De devil was trying to scare him

off, but she wanted him to have it.

"People nuse to bury lots o' money 'way back in time, and lots o' folks

is found it.

"Good-luck and bad-luck signs, you say? Well, lemme see," The old man

paused to reflect and scratch his head. "Well, de bes' luck sign is to

git in wid de Lawd. Keep wid Him; He'll keep you sweet in yo' soul.

God's goin' to come down de mid-air. I seen dat one time. Jesus come to

me--you never seen de like of it--de chariots--oh, glory!--and de

purtiest singin' you ever heered, O-oh--g-lory, hallelujah! Dat was jes'

last year.

"I had a good life. I been enjoyin' myself. I enjoys myself now, but I

so old now I jes' staggers over de place. Can't do no work but chop wood

once in a while. I enjoys myself in prayer.

"When de relief folks fus' come here, dey wouldn't give me nuttin' but I

been prayin' and glory to Jesus I been gittin' little sumpin' ever

since dat time.

"De way things is goin' now, it's better dan in slav'ey times, 'cause

dey ain't no knockin' and beatin'. Things is gone too fur for dat now.

If eve'ybody would be o' one mind and serve de Lawd, dey wouldn't be no

troubles.

"I don't know whether I'll get th'ough dis winter or not. Hit was mighty

cold last year, and dey warn't much fuel. But I thanks de Lawd for all

He's done for me, and I'se ready to meet Him when he comes."

PLANTATION LIFE as viewed by Ex-Slave

TOM HAWKINS

163 Bremen Street

Athens, Georgia.

Written by: Sadie B. Hornsby

Athens --

Edited by: Sarah H. Hall

Athens --

Leila Harris

Augusta, Ga.

TOM HAWKINS

Ex-Slave--Age 75.

Tom was nowhere to be seen when the interviewer mounted the steps of his

cabin. Daisy, his wife, was ironing on the back porch and when she

learned the object of the proposed interview, she readily agreed to

induce Tom to talk. She approached a basement door and called: "Tom,

here's one of dem giver'ment ladies what's come to hear you talk 'bout

slavery days." Tom replied: "All right, Miss Daisy, I'se a-comin'." The

old man soon appeared feeling his way with his cane carefully before

each hesitant step. Tom is blind. Established comfortably in his

favorite chair, he talked freely.

"I was borned on Marse Johnny Poore's plantation 'bout four miles f'um

Belton, South Callina. Marse Johnny owned my Ma, Mornin' Poore, and all

three of her chillun. Dey was me and Johnny, and Mollie. My Pa was Tom

Hawkins and he was named for his owner. De Hawkins plantation was 'bout

a mile f'um de Poore place. Atter Ma married Pap, dey each one had to

stay on wid deir own Marster. Dey couldn't stay on de same plantation

together. I don't 'member much 'bout Gran'ma Jennie Poore 'cept dat she

was de cook at de big house. Gran'pa Wade Poore was de blacksmith and

Marse Johnny got a big price when he sold him to Dr. Chandler. Some of

de slaves made demselfs corded beds and others jus' had makeshifts. De

beds and cabins was good 'nough for de Niggers den, 'cause dey never had

knowed no better. Gangs of slaves slept together lak hogs in dem

dirt-floored log cabins.

"Chilluns what was big 'nough to do anything had to wuk. I was a moughty

little chap when dey started me in as houseboy. I slept on a trun'le

(trundle) bed in Miss Annie's room. In de daytime my little trun'le bed

was rolled back out of sight under Miss Annie's big old four poster

teester bed. I kep' a fire burnin' in her room winter and summer. Night

times she would call me. 'Tom! Tom!' Sometimes I was so soun' asleep I

didn't answer. Den pop, she would hit me on de head wid her long stick.

Den I knowed hit was time to fire up her pipe. She smoked dat pipe a

pow'ful lot atter Marse Johnny died.

"Grown slaves made a little money, but I never got none 'til atter de

war. I didn't have no cause to want no money. Miss Annie, she give me

evvything I needed.

"Oh, but us had plenty of good things to eat on de Poore

plantation--meat and bread wid lots of turnips and 'tatoes. 'Bout once a

month dey give us lallyhoe. Dey calls dat 'lasses now. Us et our

breakfast and dinner out of wooden bowls. Under a long shed built next

to de kitchen was a long trough. At night dey crumbled cornbread in it,

and poured it full of buttermilk. Grown folks and chilluns all gathered

'roun' dat old trough and et out of it wid deir wooden spoons. No Ma'am,

dere warn't no fightin' 'roun' dat trough. Dey all knowed better'n dat.

"Us got 'possums and rabbits de best ways us could--cotch 'em in traps,

hit 'em wid rocks, and trailed 'em wid dogs. Us lakked 'possums baked

wid 'tatoes, but most of de rabbits was stewed wid dumplin's. All our

cookin' was done on big open fireplaces. Dey didn't fry nothin' dem

days; leastwise dey never give de slaves no fried victuals. Grown folks

seined for fish in Big Crick and Saluda River at night, 'cause dey

couldn't git away f'um field wuk in de day. Chillun cotch a heap of fish

wid hook and line. De river and crick bofe run thoo' Miss Annie's

plantation so us didn't have to ax for a pass evvy time us went a

fishin'. Us allus had to have a pass if us left de plantation for

anything or de patterollers was apt to git you and look out den, for you

was sho' to git a larrupin' if dey cotch you off f'um home widout no

pass.

"Dere warn't but one gyarden on de Poore plantation, and it was big

enough to feed all de white folks and slaves too. Two whole acres of dat

gyarden was sowed down in turnips.

"Chilluns didn't wear but one piece of clothes in summer; dat was a

shirt. In winter dey doubled up on us wid two shirts. I 'members how dem

shirt tails used to pop in de wind when us runned fast. Us chillun used

to tie up de 'bacco, what us stole f'um Miss Annie, in de under-arm part

of de long loose sleeves of our shirts. Us didn't git no shoes for our

foots, winter or summer, 'til us was ten years old.

"Marse Johnny Poore, he was kilt in de war and den Old Mist'ess, she was

our Miss Annie, looked atter de plantation 'til her only child, young

Miss Ann, married Marse Tom Dean. Den he helped Miss Ann 'tend to her

business. Dey was moughty good to us. Miss Annie done her own

overseein'. She rid over dat plantation onct or twict a day on her hoss.

"Our white folks lived in a big old two-story house what sot off f'um de

road up on a high hill in a big oak grove. Miss Annie's own room was a

shed room on dat house. De upstairs room was kept for comp'ny. Unkle

Wade Norris Poore was Miss Annie's car'iage driver. De car'iage was

called a surrey den.

"Dar was 'bout four or five hunderd acres in our plantation. Miss Annie

kept 'bout a hunderd slaves. She was all time sellin' 'em for big prices

atter she done trained 'em for to be cooks, housegals, houseboys,

carriage drivers, and good wash 'omans. She wukked 75 slaves in her

fields. Her Niggers was waked by four o'clock and had to be in de field

by sunup. Dey come in 'bout dark. Atter supper, de mens made up shoes,

horse collars, and anything else lak dat what was needed; de 'omans spun

thread and wove cloth.

"Miss Annie was her own whuppin' boss. She beat on 'em for most

anything. She had a barrel wid a pole run thoo' it, and she would have a

slave stretched out on dat barrel wid his clothes off and his hands and

foots tied to de pole. Den Miss Annie would fire up her pipe and set

down and whup a Nigger for a hour at a time. Miss Annie would pull my

ears and hair when I didn't do to suit her, but she never whupped me.

Miss Annie didn't need no jail for her slaves. She could manage 'em

widout nothin' lak dat, and I never did hear of no jails in de country

'roun' whar us lived.

"Yes Ma'am, I seed Old Miss sell de slaves what she trained. She made

'em stand up on a block, she kept in de back yard, whilst she was

a-auctionin' 'em off. I seed plenty of traders go by our place in wagons

what dey had deir somepin' t'eat and beddin' in, and deir slaves was

walkin' 'long behind de wagon, gwine on to be sold, but dere warn't none

of 'em in chains.

"Dere warn't no schools whar slaves could git book larnin' in dem days.

Dey warn't even 'lowed to larn to read and write. When Dr. Cannon found

out dat his carriage driver had larned to read and write whilst he was

takin' de doctor's chillun to and f'um school, he had dat Niggers thumbs

cut off and put another boy to doin' de drivin' in his place.

"Washin'ton Church was de name of de meetin' house whar us Niggers on de

Poore plantation went to church wid our white folks. Couldn't none of us

read no Bible and dere warn't none of de Niggers on our plantation ever

converted and so us never had no baptizin's. De preacher preached to de

white folks fust and den when he preached to de Niggers all he ever said

was: 'It's a sin to steal; don't steal Marster's and Mist'ess' chickens

and hogs;' and sech lak. How could anybody be converted on dat kind of

preachin'? And 'sides it never helped none to listen to dat sort of

preachin' 'cause de stealin' kept goin' right on evvy night. I never did

see no fun'rals in dem days.

"Niggers didn't run to no North. Dey run to de South, 'cause dem white

folks up North was so mean to 'em. One Nigger, named Willis Earle, run

off to de woods and made hisself a den in a cave. He lived hid out in

dat cave 'bout 15 years.

"Old Miss give dem dat wanted one a cotton patch and she didn't make her

slaves wuk in her fields atter de dinner bell rung on Saddays. De mens

wukked in dem patches of deir own an Sadday evenin' whilst de 'omans

washed de clothes and cleaned up de cabins for de next week. Sadday

nights dey all got together and frolicked; picked de banjo, and drunk

whiskey. Didn't none of 'em git drunk, 'cause dey was used to it. Dar

was barrels of it whar dey stilled it on de place. On Sundays us went

f'um cabin to cabin holdin' prayer meetin's. Miss Annie 'pointed

diff'unt ones to look atter da stock evvy Sunday.

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