"We always had a plenty to eat an' if we didn't we'd go out in

somebody's pasture an' kill a hog or sheep an' clean him by a branch an'

den hide de meat in de woods or in de loft of de house. Some of de white

folks would learn you how to steal fum other folks. Sometimes ol'

marster would say to one o' us: 'Blast you--you better go out an' hunt

me a hog tonight an' put it in my smokehouse---dey can search you

niggers' houses but dey can't search mine.'

"Once a week de marster give us three pounds of pork, a half gallon o'

syrup, an' a peck o' meal. You had to have a garden connected wid yo'

house fer yo' vegetables. De marster would let you go out in de woods

an' cut you as large a space as you wanted. If you failed to plant, it

wus jes' yo' bad luck. If you wanted to you could sell de corn or de

tobacco or anything else dat you raised to de marster an' he would pay

you. 'Course he wusn't goin' to pay you too much fer it.

"All de slaves had to work---my mother wus a plow han'. All de aged men

an' women had to tend to de hogs an' de cows an' do de weavin' an' de

sewin'. Sometimes ol' marster would let us have a frolic an' we could

dance all night if we wanted to as long as we wus ready to go to de

fiel' when de overseer blowed de bugle 'fo day nex' mornin'. De fiel'

han's had to git up early enuff to fix dey breakfas' befo' dey went to

de fiel'. We chillun took dinner to 'em at twelve o'clock. We used

baskets to take de dinner in, an' large pails to take de milk in. Dey

had to fix supper fer dey selves when dey lef' de fiel' at dark.

"All de clothes we wore wuz made on de plantation. De women had to card,

spin an' weave de thread an' den when de cloth wuz made it wuz dyed wid

berries. My step-father wuz de shoemaker on de plantation an' we always

had good shoes. He beat ol' marster out o' 'bout fifteen years work.

When he didn't feel like workin' he would play like he wuz sick an' ol'

marster would git de doctor for him. When anybody got sick dey always

had de doctor to tend to him."

Regarding houses, Mr. Green says: "We lived in log houses dat had wood

floors. Dere wuz one window an' a large fireplace where de cookin' wuz

done in de ashes. De chinks in de walls wuz daubed wid mud to keep de

weather out. De beds wuz made by hand an' de mattresses wuz big tickin's

stuffed wid straw."

Continuing he says: "Yo' actual treatment depended on de kind o' marster

you had. A heap o' folks done a heap better in slavery dan dey do now.

Everybody on our plantation wuz glad when de Yankee soldiers tol' us we

wuz free."

EX-SLAVE INTERVIEW:

MARGARET GREEN

1430 Jones Street

Augusta, Georgia.

(Richmond County)

BY: Mrs. Margaret Johnson

Editor

Federal Writers' Project,

Augusta, Georgia.

EX-SLAVE INTERVIEW

Margaret Green,

1430 Jones Street,

Augusta, Georgia

(Richmond County)

Margaret Green, 1430 Jones Street was born in 1855 on the plantation of

Mr. Cooke McKie in Edgefield County, South Carolina.

Margaret's house was spotlessly clean, her furniture of the golden oak

type was polished, and the table cover and sideboard scarfs were

beautifully laundered. Margaret is a small, trim little figure dressed

in a grey print dress with a full gathered skirt and a clean, starched

apron with strings tied in a big bow. She has twinkling eyes, a kindly

smile and a pleasant manner.

"Yes, mam, I remembers slavery times very well. I wuz a little girl but

I could go back home and show you right where I wuz when the sojers come

through our place with their grey clothes and bright brass buttons. They

looked mighty fine on their hosses ridin' round. I could show you right

where those sojers had the camp".

Margaret described "the quarters" and told of the life. "Each fam'ly had

a garden patch, and could raise cotton. Only Marse Cooke raised cotton;

what we raised we et".

"Margaret were the slaves on your master's plantation mistreated?"

"What you say? Mistreat? Oh! you mean whipped! Yes, man, sometime Marse

Cooke whip us when we need it, but he never hurt nobody. He just give

'em a lick or two make 'em mind they business. Marse Cooke was a good

man, and he never let a overseer lay a finger on one of his niggers!"

"Margaret were you ever whipped?"

Margaret laughed; with her eyes twinkling merrily she replied, "Marse

Cooke say he wuz gonna whip me 'cause I was so mischievious. He was on

his horse. I broke and run, and Marse ain't give me that whippin' till

yet!"

"Yes, mam, I hearn stories o' ghos'es and hants, but I never did b'lieve

in none of 'em. I uster love to play and to get out of all the work I

could. The old folk on the plantashun uster tell us younguns if we

didn't hurry back from the spring with the water buckets, the hants and

buggoos would catch us. I ain't never hurry till yet, and I never see a

hant. I wished I could, 'caus' I don't b'lieve I would be scart."

"Margaret, did you learn to read?"

"Oh! no mam, that wus sumpin' we wuzn't 'lowed to do; nobody could have

lessons. But we went to Church to the Publican Baptist Church. Yes, mam,

I'se sho' dat wuz the name--the Publican Baptist Church--ain't I been

there all my life 'till I been grown and married? We uster go mornin'

and evenin', and the white people sat on one side and the slaves on the

other."

Margaret said her mother was a seamstress and also a cook. Three other

seamstresses worked on the plantation. There was a spinning wheel and a

loom, and all the cotton cloth for clothing was woven and then made into

clothes for all the slaves. There were three shoe makers on the place

who made shoes for the slaves, and did all the saddle and harness

repair.

Margaret was asked who attended the slaves when they were sick.

"Marse Cooke's son was a doctor", she replied, and he 'tended anybody

who was bad sick. Granny Phoebe was the midwife at our plantashun and

she birthed all the babies. She was old when I was a little gal, and she

lived to be 105. Marse Cooke never let any of his slaves do heavy work

'till dey wuz 18 years old." Margaret's father went to the war with

"Marse Cooke" as his body servant, and her mother went also, to cook for

him!

"To tell you the truth, man," said the old woman, "I 'member more 'bout

that war back yonder than I member 'bout the war we had a few years

ago."

Minnie Green

Interviewed

Alberta Minor

Re-search Worker

Minnie is not an ex-slave, for she was "jes walkin'" when the war was

over. Her parents were given their freedom in May but stayed on with

Judge Green until fall, after the wheat cutting. The family moved to a

two story house "out Meriwether Road" but didn't get along so well.

Minnie was hungry lots and came to town to get scraps of food. When she

was a "good big girl" she came to town one day with her hair full of

cukle-burrs, dressed in her mother's basque looking for food, when she

saw a man standing in front of a store eating an orange. She wanted that

peeling. No one kept their cows and pigs up and when the man threw the

peeling on the ground a sow grabbed it. Minnie chased the pig right down

Hill Street, was hollering and making plenty of noise, when a lady,

"Mis' Mary Beeks", came out and asked her "what's the matter?" "Right

then and there I hired myself out to Miss Mary, and she raised me."

Minnie played with white children, went to the "white folks" Church, and

did not "associate with niggers" until she was grown. Every summer they

went to the Camp Grounds for two weeks. They took the children, Minnie

for nurse, a stove, a cow and everything they needed for that time.

She was nearly grown before she went to a colored church and "baptisin'"

and it frightened her to see a person immersed, and come up "shoutin'".

Minnie thought they was "fightin' the Preacher" so she didn't go back

anymore.

Minnie firmly believes if a woman comes in your house first on New Years

Day, it will bring you bad luck, and she has walked as far as 10 miles

to get a man in her house first. If she meets a cross eyed person, she

crosses her fingers and spits on them to break the bad spell. "Hooten'

owls" are sure the sign of death and she always burns her hair combins

because if you just throw them away and the birds get them to put in

their nests, you'll have a "wanderin' mind."

Minnie is 72 years old, very active physically and mentally, lives among

the Negroes now but greatly misses her "white folks."

Minnie Green

503 East Chappell Street

Griffin, Georgia

August 31, 1936.

WHEELER GRESHAM of WILKES COUNTY

GEORGIA

by

Minnie Branham Stonestreet

Washington-Wilkes

Georgia

Dec. 14, 1936.

Wheeler Gresham, 82 years old, tall, very erect, has white hair and

beard, a quiet dignified manner, and faded old eyes that seem ever to be

gazing back on those happy days he told about "when we war' in slavery."

He is uneducated, having gone to school only one week in his life--gave

up "tryin' to larn out er books."

Wheeler claims the distinction of having had three masters and loving

them all equally well; he belonged to one and lived with the other two.

It all happened in this wise:

His mother, Barbara Booker, belonged to "Marse Simmie and Marse Jabie

Booker"--("Marse Simmie wuz the one what named me") his father, Franklin

Gresham belonged to "Marse George Gresham." The Bookers and Greshams

lived on adjoining plantations and were the best of friends and

neighbors. They would not sell a slave no matter what happened, so when

Barbara and Franklin wanted to marry they had the consent of their

owners and settled down on the Booker plantation where Barbara continued

her work and Franklin spending all his spare time with her, although he

belonged to the Greshams and kept up his work for them. He had a pass to

go and come as he pleased.

Wheeler tells of his life on the plantations for his time was spent

between the two where he played with the other little slaves and with

the white boys near his age. He enjoyed most playing marbles, hunting

and fishing with the little Gresham boys. He never has had a punishment

of any kind in all his whole long life, and said with much pride--"An' I

ain't never been in no court scrape neither. No'm, my Marsters didn't

'low nobody ter 'buke dey han's. Ef a overseer got rough an' wanted to

beat a nigger, he had to go right den and dar." He added: "Dem overseer

fellows wuz rough anyhow, dey warn't our sort of folks. An' de owners

what wuz mean to dey niggers wuz looked down on by 'spectable white

folks lak dem what I belonged to."

"All us little niggers on the Booker plantation et in de white folks'

kitchen, a big old kitchen out in de yard. De grown slaves cooked and et

in dey cabins, but our Mistess wouldn't trust 'em to feed de little

ones. My Gramma wuz de cook an' we had plenty of good victuals, we'd all

set er round an' eat all we wanted three times er day."

Wheeler said that the Doctor who lived near by was always called in when

the negroes were sick and they had the best of care; their owners saw to

that. Of course there were simple home remedies like mullein tea for

colds, Jerusalem Oak seed crushed up and mixed with syrup, given to them

in the Springtime, and always that terrible "garlic warter" they so

despised to take.

When death came the slave was buried on the plantation in the negro

burial ground, a white preacher conducting the last rites. When a negro

couple wanted to marry the consent of the owners was ceremony enough and

they set up a home as man and wife and lived on "'thout all dis 'vocin'

lak dey has terday."

Christmas was a big time with three or four days holiday on the

plantations. Santa Claus found his way to the Quarters and left the

little negroes stick candy and "reisens", and "dar wuz er plenty of

pound cake fer everybody." Fourth of July was a big holiday and all the

little boys white and black went a-fishing together that day.

Sundays were kept holy--no work was done on the Sabbath. On "meetin'

days" everybody attended the neighborhood Church, white and black

worshiped together, the darkies in the gallery built for them. On all

other Sundays they went to Church, and everybody sat in one big Bible

Class. Wheeler said his Mistess called up all the little negroes on the

plantation on Sunday afternoons and taught them the catechism and told

them Bible stories.

There was plenty of fun for the darkies in the Gresham and Booker

community. They had dances, cornshuckings, picnics and all kinds of old

time affairs. These were attended by slaves for some distance around,

but they had to have passes or "de patter rollers would sho' git 'em. Us

little niggers wuz feared to go 'bout much 'kase we heered so much

erbout de patter rollers." Wheeler enjoyed the cornshuckings more than

anything else, or rather he talked more freely about them. He said that

the corn was piled high in the barn and the men and boys, after a big

supper of "fresh meat and all kinds of good things, and plenty of sho'

nough pound cake"--(that pound cake he can't seem to forget)--would

gather around and to the tune of an old fiddle in the hands of a

plantation musician, they would sing and shuck corn until the whole pile

was finished. Many races were entered into and the winners proclaimed

amid much shouting and laughter. This merriment and work lasted into the

night.

Wheeler was quick to say that the happiest time of his life was those

days of slavery and the first years immediately after. He was happy, had

all that anyone needed, was well taken care of in every way. He spoke of

their family as being a happy one, of how they worked hard all day, and

at night were gathered around their cabin fire where the little folks

played, and his mother spun away on her "task of yarn". His Mistess made

all his clothes, "good warm ones, too." All the little negroes played

together and there "wuz a old colored lady" that looked after them "an'

kept 'em straight."

There was little talk of the war, in fact some of the slaves didn't know

what "de white folks wuz er fightin' 'bout." Wheeler's two Booker

masters, "Marse Simmie and Marse Jabie, went to de war, Marse Jabie wuz

kilt dar." Very little difference was noticed in the plantation life--of

course times were harder and there was a sadness around, but work went

on as usual. When the war was over and the slaves called up and told

they were free: "Sum wuz glad an' sum wuz sorry, dey all wuz at a

wonder--at de row's en', didn't know whar ter go. De most of 'em stayed

on lak we wuz, workin' fer our white folks. Dat's what my Pa an' Ma

done, dey stayed on fer sometime after de war." Wheeler tells about a

few Yankees coming through the country after the war: "Us niggers wuz

all 'feared of 'em an' we run frum 'em, but dey didn't do nothin' to

nobody. I dunno what dey cum er 'round down here fer."

Wheeler said he "nuver paid signs no mind--nuver paid no 'tention to all

dem 'stitions an' sich lak." He didn't have any superstitions to tell

only he did hear "ef a screech owl fly 'cross yo' do' hits er sign of a

death in dat house, an' ef a whippowill calls at de' do' hit's er sign

of death. Dat's what folks say, I don't know nothin' 'bout hit."

"I'm glad I knowed slavery, I had er better livin' in dem days dan I

eber had since. No talk 'bout money in dem days--no mam, an' ef a doctor

wuz needed he wuz right dar. I'se livin' ter day 'kase I got sich a good

start, an' den too, I'se livin' on de days of my Pa and Ma. Dey wuz good

folks an' lived ter be old. An' den too, I'se allus lived on a farm,

ain't nuver knowed no t'other kind of life, an' dat's de healthiest and

freest way ter live."

And, maybe, this gray old son of the soil is right--who knows?

FIRST COPY

OF

ARTICLE ENTITLED:

"AN INTERVIEW WITH HEARD GRIFFIN," EX-SLAVE.

by

Minnie B. Ross

Typed by

A. M. Whitley

1-29-37

HEARD GRIFFIN--EX-SLAVE

In order to catch Mr. Heard Griffin, the writer prepared herself for an

early morning interview. His daughter previously informed her that it

would be the only possible chance of seeing him. Why? because even at

the age of 86 years he is still restless; and is forever in the streets.

He can walk much faster than a young person; but memory and hearing are

a little dimmed by age. By careful and tactful questioning, [HW: and by

giving him] ample time for thinking the writer was able to learn a few

facts of slavery which are as follows:

Mr. Griffin was born May 19, 1850 in Waldon County, Monroe, Georgia. His

mother Sarah Griffin birthed 11 children; but he did not clearly

remember his father as their master sold him when he was a very small

boy. Here he remarked. "They would take small babies from their mothers'

arms and sell them."

Their master and mistress Mike and Lucinda Griffin owned about 200 acres

of land and a large number of slaves. On this plantation was grown corn,

cotton, wheat, etc. Long before day light, the master would come to the

slave quarters and call each person one by one, "Get up. Get up." Very

soon every one was up and fully dressed ready to begin the day's work.

First, however, they drank one or two glasses of milk and a piece of

corn bread, which was considered breakfast. Whether this amount of food

was sufficient for a morning's meal didn't matter to their master. They

simply had to make it last them until dinner. Smiling Mr. Griffin

remarked, "It wouldn't be long before you would hear the "geeing and

hawing" coming from the fields, the squealing of pigs and the barking of

dogs--all sounds mingling together."

Every one had a certain amount of work to complete before the day ended;

and each person worked in feverish haste to get it done and avoid the

whipping which they knew was in store for them, should they fail. During

the day Mr. Griffin's mother worked in the field, hoeing and plowing. At

night she, as well as other women, had to spin thread into cloth until

bed time. Each woman had to complete four cuts or be punished the next

morning. "If it began raining while we worked in the fields, the

overseer would tell everyone to put up their horses and to shelling corn

in the cribs," remarked Mr. Griffin.

"Mike Griffin was the meanest man I've ever known," he continued. "He

would sit down with nothing else to do, think of some man, send for him

and for no reason at all, give him a good beating. He kept a long

cowhide, which was almost an inch thick and with this he would almost

beat folks to death. First you had to remove your clothing so that

whipping would not wear them out. One day he beat a woman named Hannah

so badly that she died the same night. Before daybreak he had carried

the baby off and buried it. We never knew the burial place." Overseers

too, were very mean, particularly those on the Griffin plantation. They

followed the example of the man who hired them and as a result this

plantation was known far and wide for its cruelty, fear and terror. [HW

original text "cruelty, fear and terror" is stricken out.] Many slaves

would have attempted to run away but for fear of the pack of blood

hounds kept for the purpose of tracking run away slaves.

"Patter-rollers" were busy, too, looking up slaves and whipping them for

the flimsiest of excuses. Slaves often outran them to the woods and

managed to return to their plantations unobserved. If a pass had a

certain hour marked in it, for the slave's return, and he failed to

return at the designated houses, this was an offense for which they were

punished by the "patter-rollers." "Yes," remarked Mr. Griffin, "We were

not even allowed to quarrel among ourselves. Our master would quickly

tell us, 'I am the one to fight, not you.'" When a slave visited his

relatives on another plantation the master would send along one or two

of his children to make sure they did not attempt to run away.

Discarded bed clothing was given to slave families on the Griffin

Plantation and often it was necessary to keep a big log fire in the

winter, in order to sleep comfortably. Clothing for individual needs

consisted of one pair of brogan shoes a year and homemade cotton

garments, shirts, pants, dresses, etc. Every person went bare footed in

the summer and saved their one pair of shoes for the winter.

Food consisting of meal, bacon meat, and syrup was given the slave

families once a week. Occasionally "short" a second quality of flour was

given them for their Sunday meals. The Griffins were not liberal in

feeding their slaves, but would not object to their raising a little

corn, and a few vegetables. They had to work their gardens at night,

however, by the light of burning fat wood. Real coffee was on unheard-of

luxury among slaves: so scorched or corn meal served the purpose just as

well. On Christmas the master called each slave and gave him a dram of

whiskey. No other food or fruit was given. [HW: strikes this sentence

out]

Tin pans served as plates for the families. Spoons, knives, and forks

were unheard of: "Many a day I have eaten mashed bread and milk from a

trough and thought it was good," remarked Mr. Griffin.

Occasionally on other plantations slaves were allowed to earn money by

selling vegetables, chickens, etc. On the Griffin Plantation they could

only sell home made "gingercakes" for which a five-cent piece of paper

money was received in return. There were three pieces of paper money

used in those days: the five-cent, ten-cent, and fifteen-cent pieces.

Although the slaves did not have separate churches, they were expected

to attend the white churches and occupy the benches placed in the back,

purposely for them. After the coachman drove the white family to church

he unhitched the horses from the carriage and carried them to the

pasture where they remained until the services were over.

Marriages were very easily performed on the Griffin Plantation: After

securing the consent of both owners the rest of the ceremony consisted

only in having the couple jump the broom. In the event, the bride and

groom lived on separate plantations the groom was given a pass to visit

her on week ends, beginning Saturday afternoon and ending Sunday

evening.

"Our master was too mean to let us have frolics," remarked Mr. Griffin;

"we never knew anything, but work. Of course when we got sick we were

given the best medical care possible. People didn't die, they always got

well." Home remedies made from various roots were used for minor

illnesses.

"When the Civil War broke out our master loaded his horses with his most

valuable possessions and refugeed forty miles from his home," remarked

Mr. Griffin. "On one occasion the Yanks came to our plantation and stole

three of our best horses. I never saw a battle fought but often watched

the Confederate soldiers drilling. We continued to work long after

freedom was declared, not knowing that we were free. One day our

master's son-in-law called us together and told us we were free. Most of

us didn't know what to do but we were glad to get off of that

plantation and away from old man Griffin." With a broad smile he

continued: "Well that is all I can tell you Miss, but come back to see

me again."

With the above remark Mr. Heard Griffin and I closed our interview. He

reminded me, however, that he had been married five times and was the

father of fifteen children, four of whom are still living. His daughter

cares for him and tries to make his old age as happy and comfortable as

she can without the aid of relief.

[HW: David Goodman Gullins]

SUBJECT REMINISCENCES OF SLAVERY DAYS

DISTRICT NO. 1 W.P.A.

EDITOR AND RESEARCH RUTH A. CHITTY

SUPERVISOR J. E. JAFFEE

October 16, 1936.

REMINISCENCES OF SLAVERY DAYS

It was a beautiful brisk morning in October when I turned into main

street to call on one of the most unique and interesting characters that

we have among our colored citizens.

Upon arriving at the house where Uncle Dave lives, I made my way through

a side gate and the first thing that greeted me in his back yard was a

sign, "No Truspassing." I called to a tenant who rents his home to

inquire where I might find Uncle Dave. We looked about the premises, and

called him, but no response. I was just about to leave in despair, when

the colored girl said "maybe he can be found inside," whereupon we

called him forth.

He greeted me with a deep peal of laughter, saying "now you done caught

me sho, Mistiss!" I told him the story of my mission, and, after making

various excuses he finally, with a studied reluctance, consented to talk

to me a while. He called the colored girl and asked her to bring a chair

into the yard, which he placed near his favorite out-door lounging

place, and invited me to sit down. Then, with a hearty laugh he said,

"now Miss, just what is it you want me to tell you?"

"I want you to tell me all about yourself back in slavery days and

since, Uncle Dave."

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