Mr. SPECTER. Not Alice Nichol?
Mrs. OLSEN. Alexander.
Mr. SPECTER. Was it Alice Nichol?
Mrs. OLSEN. No; Alice Alexander, I think it was. She was a waitress.
Mr. SPECTER. Where does she live?
Mrs. OLSEN. Grand Prairie.
Mr. SPECTER. And when was it that you and she were there together?
Mrs. OLSEN. I can’t remember. It was some evening.
Mr. SPECTER. Whom did you see when you were there?
Mrs. OLSEN. It seems like that was the night the attorney was up
there. I went up to get my paycheck; that’s right; I went up to get my
paycheck. That’s the night I was up there.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Mr. Ruby pay you by check or by cash?
Mrs. OLSEN. Check, and then we would sign the check and he would give
us the cash, you know, like that.
Mr. SPECTER. And who was there on that occasion?
Mrs. OLSEN. What occasion?
Mr. SPECTER. When you went to get your paycheck.
Mrs. OLSEN. That was when Alice came with me. I’m pretty sure that this
was the night that Tom Howard was up there, and that was the night that
I was crying, I think.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there anybody there besides you and Alice and Tom
Howard?
Mrs. OLSEN. No; I think Andrew was even out of the office quite a bit.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any occasion to leave Dallas soon after
November 24th, the Sunday when Oswald was shot?
Mrs. OLSEN. How soon? What do you mean?
Mr. SPECTER. Within a few days?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you go to work in Oklahoma City?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes; that was about—I think it was about 2 weeks after. I
wanted to make some money for Christmas.
Mr. SPECTER. For whom did you work in Oklahoma City?
Mrs. OLSEN. It was the Kings Club. I can’t remember.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have an arrangement to go up there to work?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes; an agent got me a booking.
Mr. SPECTER. When did you make that arrangement to go there to work?
Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, within that 2 weeks afterward.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see Tammi True in Oklahoma City?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes; I stayed with her; we shared a room.
Mr. SPECTER. What, if anything, did you tell her?
Mrs. OLSEN. Oh, we discussed a lot of things about it.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you talk about with respect to Jack Ruby?
Mrs. OLSEN. What a crazy thing he did. And that I would never go back
to work there. That was about it.
Mr. SPECTER. How long did you stay with Tammi True?
Mrs. OLSEN. Three weeks.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did she live?
Mrs. OLSEN. We had a motel. It was the club owner’s motel where he
rented to the entertainers. I can’t remember the name of it.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there any other reason why you left Dallas to go to
Oklahoma City?
Mrs. OLSEN. No; just to make some money for Christmas.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Mr. Olsen have an accident at about that time?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes; while I was up there.
Mr. SPECTER. What happened to him exactly?
Mrs. OLSEN. He totaled his car; hit a telephone pole.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say “totaled,” you mean a total wreck?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. What injuries, if any, did he sustain?
Mrs. OLSEN. I think he broke two bones in his leg and he separated his
shoulder and he had multiple chest injuries, black eye.
Mr. SPECTER. Was he hospitalized?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Where?
Mrs. OLSEN. Methodist Hospital.
Mr. SPECTER. Why did you later go to California?
Mrs. OLSEN. Why did we come out here?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes.
Mrs. OLSEN. Well, we had no desire to stay in Dallas. He used up all
his sick time on the police department, and, well, we wanted to come
out here a year—well, last August we were going to come out here and
we didn’t have enough money, and then he got his settlement from the
car and I saved a little money and so we just came out here. We always
wanted to come out to California.
Mr. SPECTER. Going back to the Friday of the assassination and the
following Saturday and the following Sunday when Oswald was shot,
during that time did you see or talk to Little Lynn?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. During that time did you see or talk to Tammi True?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. During that time did you see or talk to Bruce Carlin?
Mrs. OLSEN. Who?
Mr. SPECTER. Bruce Carlin.
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know who that is.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know a Bruce Carlin?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. During that time did you see or talk to Tom O’Grady?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know him.
Mr. SPECTER. During that time did you see or talk to Blackie Harrison?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know him either.
Mr. SPECTER. During that same time did you see or talk to Ralph Paul?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes; I called him on the—oh, now, wait. You are saying from
the Friday to the Sunday?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes.
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. When did you talk to Ralph Paul?
Mrs. OLSEN. I guess it was Monday when they reopened the club. I think
that was the day they reopened it, I’m not sure.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you see Ralph Paul in person or did you talk to him on
the telephone?
Mrs. OLSEN. I talked to him on the telephone and I told him I wasn’t
coming back to work, and he said, “Well, it’s up to you.” He was very
cool.
Mr. SPECTER. What connection, if any, did he have with the Carousel
Club?
Mrs. OLSEN. I think he is the owner.
Mr. SPECTER. The coowner with Ruby?
Mrs. OLSEN. I thought Jack Ruby was just like managing it, you know, a
front; that Ralph had all the money in the place.
Mr. SPECTER. What else was in that conversation between you and Ralph
Paul, if anything?
Mrs. OLSEN. That was it.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Ralph Paul tell you that Ruby told him Saturday night
he was going to shoot Oswald?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you sure?
Mrs. OLSEN. I’m sure.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Paul tell you anything about what Ruby told him?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. During the time from that Friday, November 22, until the
following Sunday on November 24, did you see or talk to George Senator?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. During that time did you see or talk to Eva Grant?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Or Breck Wall?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Or Mickey Ryan?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know him—oh, yes; I do; but I didn’t see him.
Mr. SPECTER. During that same time did you see or talk to Tom Howard?
Mrs. OLSEN. No. Now, this is the Friday to the Sunday, right?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes.
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Lieutenant Butler, did you see or talk to Lieutenant
Butler during that time?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know him.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Detective L. D. Miller?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you make any other telephone calls during that time
from November 22 to November 24?
Mrs. OLSEN. Other than girl friends?
Mr. SPECTER. Other than the ones you have already told me about.
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you receive any telephone calls from the day of the
assassination until the following Sunday, other than those you have
already told me about?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever see or hear of Oswald before November 22?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Bertha Cheek?
Mrs. OLSEN. Is this who they call Aunt Bertha, the one that works at
the Colony Club?
Mr. SPECTER. I am not able to say.
Mrs. OLSEN. Well, that’s the only Bertha I know. I have worked with her.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever know of any Bertha Cheek who operated an
apartment house?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know Eugene Smith?
Mrs. OLSEN. No.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether Jack Ruby was ever a member of any
subversive organization which advocated the forceful overthrow of the
U.S. Government?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know whether any of his family of friends was ever
a member of such an organization?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know that either.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about Ruby’s trip to Cuba?
Mrs. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about Mr. Ruby’s attitude towards the
John Birch Society?
Mrs. OLSEN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know anything about Mr. Ruby’s attitude towards the
Minutemen?
Mrs. OLSEN. I don’t know what that means.
Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add which you think might be
helpful in any way to the President’s Commission?
Mrs. OLSEN. No. I wish I could help you, but that’s about all I can
remember, just as an employee and that’s about it.
Mr. SPECTER. Before the oath was administered to you, that is, before
I swore you in, did you and I have a very brief conversation about the
subject matter that I would ask you about during this deposition?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. And did you answer the questions for me at that time in
the same way that you have on the record here this afternoon?
Mrs. OLSEN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Mrs. Olsen, we permit the witnesses to read the
depositions and to sign them if they wish to do so, and during the
course of the deposition with Mr. Olsen, it was concluded that he would
read and sign his deposition, so this transcript, which is the typing
up of the questions and answers, will be made available to you to read
and sign.
Mrs. OLSEN. Okay.
Mr. SPECTER. And that concludes the deposition and we thank you very
much for coming here today.
Mrs. OLSEN. All right.