Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack——

Mr. RUBY. He repeated it several times on different occasions. He

said, “I never made that—any of those statements and I know how Wade

operates. He is going to send me to the chair. Now I know what he has

got in mind.”

Mr. GRIFFIN. Let the record reflect that I am going to give you a copy

which we have made of your three-page statement which you have entered

into the record and which is marked as Exhibit No. 2, and also a copy

of Exhibit No. 1 which we have marked.

Mr. RUBY. You are giving that back to me because I have a copy of

Exhibit No. 1.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You can have that copy back.

Mr. RUBY. OK.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Are there any other matters that you think ought to be

covered that we haven’t covered?

Mr. RUBY. No; I can’t think of any. I think we have covered them all.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me ask you one last question which I started to ask

some hours ago.

That is this: Between the time you first saw Jack in Dallas, and the

last time you saw him in Dallas, what changes did you see in him, if

any?

Mr. RUBY. I think as I stated, he lost probably 25 or 30 pounds, and

he couldn’t seem to grasp or understand conversations or questions. I

have talked to him many times on the phone since then, and he still

thinks—in fact as of now, he don’t even think I am alive. He thinks

they killed me and my family, my children.

Mr. GRIFFIN. When you first saw him in Dallas did he have these—did

you have any trouble communicating with him, did he show any lack of

understanding when you first saw him?

Mr. RUBY. No, no; it wasn’t—yes; I must change that. There was a slight

hesitancy on his part to understand questions that I put to him. He

would shake his head when I would ask him questions sometimes and as

though he didn’t understand, and these were just ordinary questions of

routine matters, just about the trial or Belli. We discussed Belli, and

he said, even at the beginning there he said, “They don’t talk to me.

Why don’t they talk to me longer,” and yet Belli was there for hours.

Mr. GRIFFIN. This wasn’t the very first time you saw him. This was on

an occasion later?

Mr. RUBY. That is right. It had to be later.

Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. I have nothing more. And if you have nothing

more I want to thank you very much for taking this time for us.

Mr. RUBY. I hope I can help you and I hope you can help us.

Mr. GRIFFIN. We want to assemble all the facts that we possibly can and

prepare a report that will be as fair and as impartial as can be.

Mr. RUBY. You want me to check on that professor at Northwestern

University, correct?

Mr. GRIFFIN. And if you would give us the names of those employees.

Mr. RUBY. The list I have on that. I can possibly get the information

as to where my brother received the psychiatric treatment when he was

about 10 years old. Do you want me to send that to you?

Mr. GRIFFIN. If you would get us that we would appreciate it, yes.

Mr. RUBY. Shall I mail it just here the same address?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.

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