Mrs. RICH. I will answer to this extent. For one thing, I dealt black
jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mrs. Rich, you mentioned the name of a man by the name of
Brawner. Now, did Mr. Brawner ever attend any of these meetings with
the colonel?
Mrs. RICH. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So his only knowledge of this would be what your husband
might have told him.
Mrs. RICH. That is correct.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What does Mr. Brawner do for a living?
Mrs. RICH. I don’t know what Eddie does—odd jobs.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How old a man is he?
Mrs. RICH. Middle age—40, maybe. Does a lot of work with kids in these
go carts—soap box derbies and stuff. I guess they used to be in the
carnival together. As I say, everything I say, I don’t know how much
truth there is in it from what my husband told me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where does Mr. Brawner live?
Mrs. RICH. Grand Prairie.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know where in Grand Prairie?
Mrs. RICH. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is he married?
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does he have a family?
Mrs. RICH. Yes; he does. I believe his wife’s name is Mary.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many children does he have?
Mrs. RICH. I don’t remember—quite a few—three or four.
I would like one thing known. Until the time I met my husband and since
he died I have done nothing that I would be ashamed of, nothing I would
not do in public. Now that I am married to Mr. Rich I do not want any
recriminations due to the fact of the period of time I was married to
my husband. My husband—the first year and a half of our marriage was
beautiful. Then my husband turned me out. Don’t ask me why I didn’t
leave him. Everyone else asked me that. It is not easy being something
that is against everything that you believe in or stand for 2 years.
There were periods—I told the FBI this, and I might as well state it
right here. I was a prostitute—call it what you may—call girl, madam.
It still boils down to the same damn thing. When I worked, he worked.
When I quit, he quit.
Mr. HUBERT. You are talking about Robert Perrin?
Mrs. RICH. I am talking about Robert Perrin.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you marry Mr. Perrin?
Mrs. RICH. July of—August of 1960, I believe—1961. I have forgotten.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Prior to that time you had never been in any trouble with
the police?
Mrs. RICH. No; except when I was 16, I was driving a car with no
license and had been taking some medicine and I hit a pole with it, and
lied to my uncle, who was the judge, and he made me pay a fine. He made
me spend overnight in our own little jail in our own little town to
teach me a lesson, and it did. He said if I had not lied, it would have
been all right.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the significance of your remark that when you
worked he worked, and when you did not work——
Mrs. RICH. As long as I was hustling he would work, and as long as I
wasn’t hustling he would not work.