Mr. SENATOR. In other words, it relates this way. You start off Fifth
Air Force, Fifth Bomber Command, if you want this whole thing, 22d Bomb
Group when I was with the 33d Bomb Squadron if you want that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Write Fifth Air Force in.
Mr. SENATOR. Do you want that?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Sure.
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know where to put it. Do you want me to put it on
top here?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Sure.
Mr. SENATOR. Fifth Air Force comes first.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So we have edited this to read “He served mainly as an
aerial armorer with the Fifth Air Force, Fifth Bomber Command, 22d Bomb
Group, 33d Squadron in Australia and Pacific Theater during World War
II.” Why don’t you initial and date the changes?
Mr. SENATOR. Is one sufficient for the whole?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Put a set of initials and date by each one and remember it
is April 22.
Mr. SENATOR. I think there is one I put on the 23d come to think of it
somewheres on something.
Mr. GRIFFIN. We will try to find that. I think you did make that
change. You didn’t date the previous change made on Exhibit 5401.
Mr. SENATOR. I am writing 4-23 here. It is 4-22. Can I put in here and
say “He was honorably discharged” or just “discharged satisfactory.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead, if you want to clarify it to say honorably
discharged.
Mr. SENATOR. There is a difference.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; there is and I can understand why you would want that
in there. Now you have made some other changes on here I notice. You
have added on page 2 of Agent Moore’s report in the first sentence the
word “Honorably” so that that sentence reads “He was honorably.”
Mr. SENATOR. I should say honorably discharged.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Honorably discharged as a staff sergeant on September
9, 1945. In the first full paragraph on this page, the last sentence
you have changed the spelling of the name Wexler from W-e-x-l-e-r to
W-e-c-h-s-l-e-r, and that is the name of the man to whom your former
wife is now married.
Mr. SENATOR. I am the one who gave him that other spelling because I
didn’t spell it right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In the second paragraph on that same page, the last
sentence, you have added the words “Texas Postcards and Novelty,
Dallas, Texas” before the words “Dexter Press, West Nyack, New York”
so that that sentence reads: “He is presently a salesman of colored
postcards for Texas Postcard and Novelty, Dallas, Texas, Dexter Press,
West Nyack, New York.” Now let me ask you this. Are the Texas Postcard
and Novelty Company and Dexter Press——
Mr. SENATOR. Excuse me, they make the cards, they print the cards.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So what you really do is you sell these cards for Dexter
Postcard?
Mr. SENATOR. No: I don’t sell them for Dexter.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You sell them for Texas Postcard and Novelty?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. From Dexter Press?
Mr. SENATOR. Dexter are the ones who make prints.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me add the word “from.” I have added the word “from.”
I will hand you back Mr. Moore’s report. Why don’t you continue on
through it and read whatever it is that you think should be changed and
then we will make the changes.
Mr. SENATOR. This “He made business calls and stopped for lunch at a
place called Jacques,” now shall I put in front of lunch——
Mr. GRIFFIN. It is understood you didn’t have anything to eat but had
something to drink. A cocktail or something?
Mr. SENATOR. I think I had two bottles of beer. Do you want that
changed?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don’t you cross out “lunch” and say “two bottles of
beer.”
Mr. SENATOR. Now maybe I said I had lunch. I don’t even remember. I
ain’t going to question this. You know that I just changed that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You changed lunch to what? What did you write, two bottles
of beer?
Mr. SENATOR. “Two beers.” Just a misspelling of a street here. Do you
want that corrected?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; if you would.
Mr. SENATOR. With the same category as the beer place, the name of the
street.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, correct the spelling. What is the name? You
have changed the word Carol Street on page 3 from C-a-r-o-l to
C-a-r-r-o-l-l. That is fine.
Mr. SENATOR. Do you want that initialed?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; if you would please.
Mr. SENATOR. “He returned to the apartment and went to bed
approximately 10:30 p.m. He does not recall seeing Ruby again that
day.” It is not recall seeing him, I didn’t see him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don’t you change recall to didn’t.
Mr. SENATOR. Now I stated here for the point of information before
that “Jack told him” which is me “that he had been at his sister Eva’s
place,” said that he had bought food for her.” In other words, when he
bought all this stuff there he bought her some too.
Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, it was your understanding when you talked
with Agent Moore that Jack had bought the sandwiches and so forth
before he went to Eva Grant’s house on Friday night?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; now let me ask you this. When I am talking to them,
are they taking this word by word or what? Do you know? I don’t even
know myself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. It depends. Of course I wasn’t at this interview.
Mr. SENATOR. I know that. This is why I asked you.
Mr. GRIFFIN. They are obviously not taking it down word for word as our
court stenographer is here.
Mr. SENATOR. I know they do it in longhand which is tough. It is not
easy.
Mr. GRIFFIN. He is taking notes which hopefully are going to be
accurate. After all, these men are highly trained people.
Mr. SENATOR. I am certain they are.
Mr. GRIFFIN. They are trained to take notes.
Mr. SENATOR. I am certain they are.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And to do it as accurately as they can. But there are
mistakes that crop up.
Mr. SENATOR. Who isn’t fallible somewhere or another. I think there is
a misinterpretation of this word that “he had bought food for her.”
Brought food for her.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would it make any difference?
Mr. SENATOR. Not in all reality, I don’t know, because when he bought
all this food, if you asked me how much he bought I don’t know but
apparently, I have been under the impression that he bought quite a
bit of things, because if he took food over to the police station, he
couldn’t go there with six or seven sandwiches I know if he was working
of that nature, to bring food over there. So I assumed there must have
been many, many sandwiches and pastries of some nature that he had
brought over there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am interested, Mr. Senator, in this. That even in this
interview with Mr. Moore on the 3d of December you don’t make any
reference about Jack telling you that he went to the police station.
Mr. SENATOR. Maybe I forgot that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And that is why I ask you again if it is not possible—now
this interview was not under the same kind of pressure?
Mr. SENATOR. No; that is right. You are right on that. All I can say is
maybe it is just a thing that slipped my mind.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Or is it possible that in fact all you remembered was that
Jack had said that he bought food for Eva, and that he hadn’t mentioned
anything about going to the police station?
Mr. SENATOR. No; this is the same time when he bought all this stuff,
when he bought these bags. Mind you, when I mentioned about these bags,
this is the first time that I have even thought about this to anybody
that I spoke to, see.