Mr. HUBERT. As close as his?
Mr. SENATOR. Let me tell you. In the living room, of course, he had
one of these extension wires that would probably run, what, 13 feet or
something like that, 12 feet, I don’t know what the extension is, but
where it was at that moment I don’t know. I assumed that it was on the
table. I just don’t remember.
Mr. HUBERT. Would he normally take it in his room?
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t think he could get it all the way in his room. You
see, he had the far bedroom and my bedroom was closer. I could take
it in mine, but I don’t think I could take it in his, or he might be
able to take it just partially a little bit, but I don’t think it would
extend that far.
Mr. HUBERT. If the phone machine was in the living room where it
normally was, you would be closer to it, right, than he would?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. I take it you did not hear a phone call for him that
morning?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever had occasion where the ringing of the phone
wakened you?
Mr. SENATOR. I would have to say “No” on that because I am always up
before he is.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us whether or not if Jack had received a phone call
about 8:30 Saturday morning you would have heard it and it would have
wakened you?
Mr. SENATOR. If he did I just don’t recollect. I wouldn’t say he did or
didn’t have one because I just don’t remember if he did have one.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t remember if he had one?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. That I understand. But what I am asking you is whether
or not the ringing of that phone in the position it was as you have
explained it that is closer to you than to him, would have awakened you.
Mr. SENATOR. Oh sure, sure. I could have heard it.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you willing to go so far as to state that since it did
not awaken you, that there was no phone call?
Mr. SENATOR. I couldn’t quote because I don’t know if there was a phone
call.
Mr. HUBERT. That is not what I asked you. I am asking you whether you
are willing to state that if there had been a phone call, it would have
awakened you?
Mr. SENATOR. I would assume so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me go back a bit here. Up until the time you went to
bed early Saturday morning, had Jack told you what he had done since
the President was shot?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I know of some of them. I know that he went to the
synagogue.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me ask you did he tell you that night? I am not asking
you what you know now, but before you went to bed Saturday morning had
Jack told you what he had done that night, rather what he had done
since the President had been shot?
Mr. SENATOR. I think he went to the—wait, I don’t remember if he
told me that night or it was the next day. This is the thing I don’t
remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is what I am trying to get at is whether you have any
recollection.
Mr. SENATOR. I don’t remember, but I do know that he had told me
that he went to a synagogue and that he brought sandwiches around to
the police station, these are things I knew that he did. But I don’t
remember if he told me that night or the next morning. I don’t remember
which time it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you got up the next morning?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Jack up?
Mr. SENATOR. No; he was sleeping.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you see Jack before you left the house Saturday
morning?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh yes. He was still home when I left.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he awake?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So you talked with him?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That is where I had left off.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is right. That is why I stopped.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said as a matter of fact here that the process
of your waking up and moving around the house and so forth wakened
him. How long did you stay around the house?
Mr. SENATOR. Saturday morning you are referring to?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; after awakening.
Mr. SENATOR. Saturday morning I must have left, as a guess, mind you,
somewhere around, maybe somewheres between 11:30 and 12:30. Of course,
I am only guessing. I could be a half hour off or I might be an hour
off.
Mr. HUBERT. That is to say that you stayed around the house anywhere
from 1 hour to 2 hours after you awakened?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I would probably say that.
Mr. HUBERT. And during most of that time Jack was awake and up, too?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes. He awoke after.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you recall the substance of the conversations between
you during that period of either 1 hour or 2 hours or something in
between?
Mr. SENATOR. Well, we watched TV a bit, and he had mentioned—of course,
he wasn’t feeling good when he woke up—he had mentioned the fact, he
sort of rehashed the President and the kids all the time, how sorry he
felt for them and how a great man like President Kennedy could have
been shot. He thought this was a terrible thing to happen. Many a time
he went through this how sorry he felt for the kids and Mrs. Kennedy, a
poor tragic thing like this to happen to them.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you that he had decided to close the clubs?
Mr. SENATOR. No. I wasn’t with him. That was Friday night.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that, but I mean by Saturday morning, we are
speaking of the conversations of Saturday morning.
Mr. SENATOR. No; this I already knew.
Mr. HUBERT. You already knew?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you find that out?
Mr. SENATOR. Friday night.
Mr. HUBERT. Who told you?
Mr. SENATOR. The ad in the paper.
Mr. HUBERT. That is how you first saw it?