Mr. SENATOR. Just in my young teens.
Mr. HUBERT. Until you were how old?
Mr. SENATOR. Possibly about 18, to the best of my knowledge.
Mr. HUBERT. You were living with your sister as you said?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, at age 18, did your life take a change by way of
occupation and residence?
Mr. SENATOR. Well, I got sick a couple of times so every time I got
sick I went home to mother. I went back home. Of course, the distance,
was about 190 miles from my home town to New York City. At one time
I had pleurisy, went back home and stayed a year. Another time I had
peritonitis. I went back home again.
Mr. HUBERT. This was after age 18 or before?
Mr. SENATOR. No; this is now after 18.
Mr. HUBERT. Then I take it that after age 18 and for a period of 1 or
2 years you were not working because of illness and you were staying
mostly with your mother at home?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; well, my brother had a restaurant, or rather, still
does. He has a restaurant. I used to help him up there.
Mr. HUBERT. Where? What place was that?
Mr. SENATOR. Gloversville, N.Y. He had a restaurant by his name, by his
last name.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you work with him?
Mr. SENATOR. On and off, this is a rough guess, it has been so many
years. I would probably say maybe a couple of years, something like
that.
Mr. HUBERT. At which time you lived with your mother?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes, I lived home.
Mr. HUBERT. Would that take us then in your life to about age 22?
Mr. SENATOR. I would say around there, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Then what happened after those days of your life?
Mr. SENATOR. Then I went back. I can’t quote you the exact years, but I
went back to New York.
Mr. HUBERT. City, you mean?
Mr. SENATOR. New York City, and I went to work for a—I was jerking
sodas in the early thirties. That is when I was in my twenties yet then.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live during that period?
Mr. SENATOR. I was still home with my sister. I went back. I shuttled
either from my sister to my mother.
Mr. HUBERT. You did not have any residence of your own?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did she live during that period?
Mr. SENATOR. My sister? She lived in the Bronx, still does.
Mr. HUBERT. I mean the same address?
Mr. SENATOR. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the address, or were there several? I am
talking now about this other period, you see, that is to say when you——
Mr. SENATOR. I can think of the streets but I probably could not think
of the numbers.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, that is all right. Give us the streets.
Mr. SENATOR. All right. When I originally came to New York it was on
Davidson Avenue in the Bronx.
Mr. HUBERT. That would have been when you were about 12 years old?
Mr. SENATOR. No, no. I first came to New York when I was 15.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did she live then?
Mr. SENATOR. On Davidson Avenue in the Bronx. Then from Davidson I
think I moved to Walton Avenue. These are all close by, these streets,
you know. I would probably say a distance of maybe 4, 5, or 6 blocks,
something of that nature. Then I lived there—I am trying to think now.
I have to jump back a lot of years and can’t think of these outright.
Mr. HUBERT. We understand that and we understand therefore that your
answers must be approximations.
Mr. SENATOR. Yes, they are approximations. When I got this job jerking
sodas there, now I’m in my twenties already. Of course, this is in the
1930 years. I was approximately around 25 when I was working in the
Bronx jerking sodas and still living with my sister.
Mr. HUBERT. That was around 1938, I take it?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes, and 1939; 1938 and 1939.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the place at which you worked?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes, sure, J. S. Krums, chocolatiers. That is on the Grand
Concourse.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?
Mr. SENATOR. I would probably say I may have been there around 2 years.
Now this is roughly guessing. Then the place went out on strike and I
went out of a job. Then from there, two other fellows who were employed
with us, we all went down to Florida. We went down to Florida for the
winter and got a job there for $14 a week and stayed all winter, then
we come back again.
Mr. HUBERT. What kind of work were you doing and who was your employer?
Mr. SENATOR. I couldn’t remember.
Mr. HUBERT. Or employers?
Mr. SENATOR. I couldn’t remember. It was a cafeteria with a soda
fountain and I worked at the soda fountain. It has been so many, many
years.
Mr. HUBERT. Who were the other two people that you went with?
Mr. SENATOR. One fellow, his name was Ike Heilberun, and the other is—I
can’t remember his name.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen either of those two people in the last 10 or
20 years?
Mr. SENATOR. I would say—no, one I haven’t seen in many, many years. As
a matter of fact, I think even before the war.
Mr. HUBERT. Which one, the one whose name you don’t remember?
Mr. SENATOR. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And the other one?
Mr. SENATOR. The other I think the last time I saw him must have been
maybe around 6 years or 7 years ago. He is down in Florida.
Mr. HUBERT. What kind of work is he doing?
Mr. SENATOR. He is in the stationery business, if he still is, I mean.
He was.
Mr. HUBERT. And you met him in connection with work or socially or how,
that is 6 years ago?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh, no; it happened to be I went down there. I went down
there for a vacation there.
Mr. HUBERT. And you looked him up?
Mr. SENATOR. And I looked him up and I found him and when I found him
he was in the stationery end.
Mr. HUBERT. How extended was your visit with him then?
Mr. SENATOR. Oh, just casual. I would probably say maybe I saw him two
or three times.
Mr. HUBERT. No business relations?
Mr. SENATOR. No, no; no business relations whatsoever.
Mr. HUBERT. Let’s go back now and pick up the time when you came back
from Florida. I say “came back.” I assume you went back to New York.
Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I went back to New York.