Mr. PAUL. Well, you asked me the same thing——

Mr. HUBERT. By referring specifically to Exhibit 5319, you see, is

there anything in Exhibit 5319 that is not the truth as far as you

know, in this document here?

Mr. PAUL. I don’t know.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, that’s why I asked you to read it, so you could tell

me whether there is anything you want to change in there and you may

take your time with it—I don’t want to rush you at all.

Mr. PAUL. This page alone, or the whole thing?

Mr. HUBERT. The whole thing.

Mr. PAUL. I don’t know what I could change.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you read it?

Mr. PAUL. I think I did—in what respect are you asking me that?

Mr. HUBERT. I just want to know if everything in there is correct, and

to give you the opportunity of changing anything in there that is not

correct.

Mr. PAUL. Well, I told you the same thing that you asked me—that’s all

here—I can’t change it in any way.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, you can if it is not the truth, because all we want

is the truth.

Mr. PAUL. That’s what I told you—the truth.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, are you willing to state, then, that the facts

related, the statements made in the documents, consisting of nine pages

which I have now identified as Exhibit 5319, are correct?

Mr. PAUL. As far as I can recall they are correct.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have anything to add that document that you think of

right now?

Mr. PAUL. As far as I could tell, when they asked me those questions, I

told them that was that.

Mr. HUBERT. And this seems to be a true and fair report of the

interview with you?

Mr. PAUL. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Is there anything you want to delete from that because it

is wrong?

Mr. PAUL. How is it wrong?

Mr. HUBERT. Well, if it is not wrong, I would take it you would not

want to delete it. That’s what I’m trying to do—is to ask you if there

is anything in there that’s incorrect, because what we are seeking to

get is the truth.

Mr. PAUL. You think this is wrong?

Mr. HUBERT. No, sir; I didn’t suggest it was wrong. I want to ask

you—since you have had an opportunity to read it——

Mr. PAUL. Everything I told them at the time was the right thing—I told

them.

Mr. HUBERT. And that seems to be a fair and honest report of the

interview you had with them?

Mr. PAUL. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, that’s all I wanted to know about that.

Now, there is another document which purports to be an interview with

you by FBI Agent Clements.

Mr. PAUL. On the telephone.

Mr. HUBERT. On November 28, 1963?

Mr. PAUL. Yes, over the telephone.

Mr. HUBERT. Which I am marking for purposes of identification as

follows: “Dallas, Texas, April 15, 1964, Exhibit 5320, Deposition of

Ralph Paul,” and I am signing my name on that document. That document

contains only one page and it refers——

Mr. PAUL. To the stock deal.

Mr. HUBERT. To some stock deal.

Mr. PAUL. Let me see it just a minute.

Mr. HUBERT. This document relates to some conversation with Special

Agent Clements, which was had with you, and it is a report of it. Now,

will you tell me—I think that that conversation was over the phone?

Mr. PAUL. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. I don’t believe the document so indicates, but if that

is one thing we have learned from this is that that was over the

phone—does it fairly state the content of the conversation you had with

the agent?

Mr. PAUL. Yes; he asked me what was my interest in the club and I told

him I got a certificate of 50 shares, which I received from Jack Ruby

because he wanted to protect the money I loaned him, that if anything

goes wrong—well, he didn’t put it in so many words—he put it in a

different—collateral—you know what that means—and he said, “Is that

what you mean?” And I said, “I guess that’s what it is supposed to be.”

I told him that Jack Ruby and Slayton formed the Sovereign Club and it

was called the S. and R., Incorporated. I never knew anything about the

Sovereign Club, Incorporated, that it was then terminated and became

the Carousel Club, which he gave it a name.

Now, I don’t know whether the Carousel Club was incorporated, and I

said, “I think it is Earl, Ruby’s brother, that had the 500 other

shares,” but I didn’t know for sure, that’s what I told him. He said

he believes Earl, Ruby’s brother. I was confused with the question of

whether I owned stock or not, which I was. I thought it was merely—he

gives me the stock because, like I told you, when he wanted to sell the

place he asked me for the stock so he could sell the place.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, at the time you spoke to him, in fact you were

confused as to what the situation was?

Mr. PAUL. I sure was.

Mr. HUBERT. What I’m asking you, is—is this a fair statement of what

you told him?

Mr. PAUL. I think I gave him a fair statement right up to the

minute—not that statement—that statement isn’t up to the minute, but up

to the time.

Mr. HUBERT. But at the time—it was accurate?

Mr. PAUL. At the time.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever been interviewed by any member of the

President’s Commission before?

Mr. PAUL. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, Mr. Paul, one final thing—we have the two statements

that you have given to the FBI, and you have what you have told us

tonight—do you think that putting those two things together we have

just about all you know about Jack Ruby and about what he had to do

with the slaying of Oswald and so forth?

Mr. PAUL. I don’t know nothing about the slaying of Oswald—that’s for

sure.

Mr. HUBERT. I understand that, but we know all you know about it when

we have what you told us tonight and this statement—there’s nothing

else?

Mr. PAUL. I just told you all I know about Jack Ruby for 15 years.

Mr. HUBERT. There’s nothing we don’t know that you know?

Mr. PAUL. That’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. Is that a fair statement?

Mr. PAUL. If I knew any more I would be willing to tell you, because

you didn’t pull the words out of my mouth either.

Mr. HUBERT. No; that’s correct.

Mr. PAUL. I spoke to you as I knew it.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you anything else to add?

Mr. PAUL. No—really, no.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate your coming in and I am

sorry it took so long.

Mr. PAUL. Well, that’s perfectly all right.

Mr. HUBERT. Thank you very much for coming in.

Mr. PAUL. All right, thank you.

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