Mr. HUBERT. By referring specifically to Exhibit 5319, you see, is
there anything in Exhibit 5319 that is not the truth as far as you
know, in this document here?
Mr. PAUL. I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, that’s why I asked you to read it, so you could tell
me whether there is anything you want to change in there and you may
take your time with it—I don’t want to rush you at all.
Mr. PAUL. This page alone, or the whole thing?
Mr. HUBERT. The whole thing.
Mr. PAUL. I don’t know what I could change.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you read it?
Mr. PAUL. I think I did—in what respect are you asking me that?
Mr. HUBERT. I just want to know if everything in there is correct, and
to give you the opportunity of changing anything in there that is not
correct.
Mr. PAUL. Well, I told you the same thing that you asked me—that’s all
here—I can’t change it in any way.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, you can if it is not the truth, because all we want
is the truth.
Mr. PAUL. That’s what I told you—the truth.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, are you willing to state, then, that the facts
related, the statements made in the documents, consisting of nine pages
which I have now identified as Exhibit 5319, are correct?
Mr. PAUL. As far as I can recall they are correct.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have anything to add that document that you think of
right now?
Mr. PAUL. As far as I could tell, when they asked me those questions, I
told them that was that.
Mr. HUBERT. And this seems to be a true and fair report of the
interview with you?
Mr. PAUL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Is there anything you want to delete from that because it
is wrong?
Mr. PAUL. How is it wrong?
Mr. HUBERT. Well, if it is not wrong, I would take it you would not
want to delete it. That’s what I’m trying to do—is to ask you if there
is anything in there that’s incorrect, because what we are seeking to
get is the truth.
Mr. PAUL. You think this is wrong?
Mr. HUBERT. No, sir; I didn’t suggest it was wrong. I want to ask
you—since you have had an opportunity to read it——
Mr. PAUL. Everything I told them at the time was the right thing—I told
them.
Mr. HUBERT. And that seems to be a fair and honest report of the
interview you had with them?
Mr. PAUL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, that’s all I wanted to know about that.
Now, there is another document which purports to be an interview with
you by FBI Agent Clements.
Mr. PAUL. On the telephone.
Mr. HUBERT. On November 28, 1963?
Mr. PAUL. Yes, over the telephone.
Mr. HUBERT. Which I am marking for purposes of identification as
follows: “Dallas, Texas, April 15, 1964, Exhibit 5320, Deposition of
Ralph Paul,” and I am signing my name on that document. That document
contains only one page and it refers——
Mr. PAUL. To the stock deal.
Mr. HUBERT. To some stock deal.
Mr. PAUL. Let me see it just a minute.
Mr. HUBERT. This document relates to some conversation with Special
Agent Clements, which was had with you, and it is a report of it. Now,
will you tell me—I think that that conversation was over the phone?
Mr. PAUL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. I don’t believe the document so indicates, but if that
is one thing we have learned from this is that that was over the
phone—does it fairly state the content of the conversation you had with
the agent?
Mr. PAUL. Yes; he asked me what was my interest in the club and I told
him I got a certificate of 50 shares, which I received from Jack Ruby
because he wanted to protect the money I loaned him, that if anything
goes wrong—well, he didn’t put it in so many words—he put it in a
different—collateral—you know what that means—and he said, “Is that
what you mean?” And I said, “I guess that’s what it is supposed to be.”
I told him that Jack Ruby and Slayton formed the Sovereign Club and it
was called the S. and R., Incorporated. I never knew anything about the
Sovereign Club, Incorporated, that it was then terminated and became
the Carousel Club, which he gave it a name.
Now, I don’t know whether the Carousel Club was incorporated, and I
said, “I think it is Earl, Ruby’s brother, that had the 500 other
shares,” but I didn’t know for sure, that’s what I told him. He said
he believes Earl, Ruby’s brother. I was confused with the question of
whether I owned stock or not, which I was. I thought it was merely—he
gives me the stock because, like I told you, when he wanted to sell the
place he asked me for the stock so he could sell the place.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, at the time you spoke to him, in fact you were
confused as to what the situation was?
Mr. PAUL. I sure was.
Mr. HUBERT. What I’m asking you, is—is this a fair statement of what
you told him?
Mr. PAUL. I think I gave him a fair statement right up to the
minute—not that statement—that statement isn’t up to the minute, but up
to the time.
Mr. HUBERT. But at the time—it was accurate?
Mr. PAUL. At the time.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever been interviewed by any member of the
President’s Commission before?
Mr. PAUL. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, Mr. Paul, one final thing—we have the two statements
that you have given to the FBI, and you have what you have told us
tonight—do you think that putting those two things together we have
just about all you know about Jack Ruby and about what he had to do
with the slaying of Oswald and so forth?
Mr. PAUL. I don’t know nothing about the slaying of Oswald—that’s for
sure.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that, but we know all you know about it when
we have what you told us tonight and this statement—there’s nothing
else?
Mr. PAUL. I just told you all I know about Jack Ruby for 15 years.
Mr. HUBERT. There’s nothing we don’t know that you know?
Mr. PAUL. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that a fair statement?
Mr. PAUL. If I knew any more I would be willing to tell you, because
you didn’t pull the words out of my mouth either.
Mr. HUBERT. No; that’s correct.
Mr. PAUL. I spoke to you as I knew it.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you anything else to add?
Mr. PAUL. No—really, no.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate your coming in and I am
sorry it took so long.
Mr. PAUL. Well, that’s perfectly all right.
Mr. HUBERT. Thank you very much for coming in.
Mr. PAUL. All right, thank you.