Mr. CRAFARD. I had at one time worked for Porter Building Corp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that in Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When had you worked for them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I had worked for them the year before, the previous year.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you going to contact them?
Mr. CRAFARD. I was thinking about, maybe seeing if they needed any men
down there, or something.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you make that entry?
Mr. CRAFARD. This was about a month before President Kennedy was
assassinated.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever contact them about a job?
Mr. CRAFARD. I called them one time, I believe, and the gentleman
wasn’t there that I had talked to, and I never called back. The Litot
Trailer Park, that is where we was staying, where my wife and I lived
when we was living in Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is the next entry on there?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the telephone number?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is the number of the Litot Trailer Park.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes page 17, the front half. On the back half
of page 17 there is a notation. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Call Buddy Heard, El Paso, dial direct, tell them that you
are in town, that you are a friend and would like to get in touch with
him. This is something for Andy. He was to call Buddy Heard in El Paso.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Andy go to El Paso?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; he was to make a call; dial direct to El Paso as if he
was in El Paso. I don’t remember exactly what it had something to do
with. It seemed like this Buddy here was a comedian or something that
Jack was trying to hire or something of that sort.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Andy going to try to hire him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I think it was just he was doing that for Jack, trying to
find out how to get in touch with him. I am not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there are two lines with no writing on them, and then
there is another entry. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. The name Mary.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know anybody named Mary, in Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. It has no meaning to me except the fact that my
sister-in-law’s name is Mary.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the telephone number under that?
Mr. CRAFARD. It has no meaning to me whatsoever.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then the next telephone number?
Mr. CRAFARD. It has no meaning, either.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That last telephone number on the page is RI 1-1456, and
the other telephone number on that page is DA 4-4378. That concludes
the back of page 17. Turning over to page 18, there are some entries on
there. What is the first entry on the page?
Mr. CRAFARD. It is D 2 with a dash and then the figure 175, $1.75.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure unless it is maybe some draws I took that
day or something.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you sure that is $2 and not $200?
Mr. CRAFARD. It might possibly be $200.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have any dealings with anybody about spending $200?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I can recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the notation after that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Jack took $20 from the bar till.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall when that was?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I don’t recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is another entry after that, “Pete White Atty.”
Mr. CRAFARD. Pete White, attorney, Fidelity Union Life Building, with a
number, RI 1-1295.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you make that entry?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall anything about Pete White?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what is the next entry on there?
Mr. CRAFARD. The next entry has to do with the twist boards. It is,
“Call beauty salon; tell them that I have a twist-a-waist exerciser,”
and let them have it for $2; in quantities for $1.75 each.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is it fair to suggest that the $2-175 that is written at
the top of the page and this same entry about $2 and $1.75 both relate
to twist boards?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That concludes the front part of page 18. Turning over to
page 18——
Mr. CRAFARD. The first thing on the page is “Jimmy Rhodes can tell
where to get blowups at.” Some blowups of some pictures that Jack
wanted and this fellow Jimmy Rhodes could tell him where to get them at.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know Jimmy Rhodes?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever hear of him?
Mr. CRAFARD. I heard Jack mention the name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is a line with nothing written on it, and the
name?
Mr. CRAFARD. Mr. Wooldridge.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is he?
Mr. CRAFARD. I am not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have some idea?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is another line with nothing written on it. Then
there is a telephone number.
Mr. CRAFARD. The number WH 6-6220.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does that number mean anything to you?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And there is another line with nothing written on it; and
the notation “8-5 tomorrow.” What did that have to do with?
Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. There is another line with nothing written on it. And the
name Bob Litchfield.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember him?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And a telephone number after that.
Mr. CRAFARD. It is TA 7-9301.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And then a name after that.
Mr. CRAFARD. Mrs. Moddy.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who is she?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was his bookkeeper. I’m not sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there are some numbers. That concludes page 18, does
it not?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. With the exception of a telephone number, RI 7-5311, which
is right under the name Mrs. Moddy.
Mr. CRAFARD. I imagine it is her number.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is some writing on the inside of the back
cover. There are three telephone numbers, RI 7-7436, CH 2-3442, CH
2-4114. What do those numbers relate to, if you know?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is another number Newton. There is a name
Newton. Does that mean anything to you?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’m not positive of that. It doesn’t appear to be my
writing.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is the number written under the name Newton?
Mr. CRAFARD. 2550.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That is not your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. No. I don’t ever recall of having wrote any of those
written in ink.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That would be everything on that page except the RI 7-7436?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, on the outside portion of the back cover there are
some other things written on there. See if you can tell us what those
are.
Mr. CRAFARD. The name J. L. Coxsey.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know this person?
Mr. CRAFARD. No. The name Coxsey is the name of one of the gentlemen I
went to church with when my wife and I were living in Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How would that be spelled?
Mr. CRAFARD. His name was Lee Coxsey.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that the same gentleman?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t believe so. And there is the number under that
that I can’t make out. Then there is a number EV 1-6979, and there is,
it looks like LV or something. I can’t understand that a bit. There is
the number FL 2-8995.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are those things in your handwriting?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall where you left that book when you departed
from Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. It was either in Jack’s office or in the room right in
front of his office where I slept days. I’m not positive whether I left
it on his desk or on a stand in my room.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But in any event did you leave it in the open, or did you
leave it in a drawer?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was lying right out on top of a table or a
desk, whichever it was. I’m not positive.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Hubert do you have any questions you want to ask?
Mr. HUBERT. Did I understand you to say earlier this morning that
normally you kept that book on your person?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t leave it hanging around?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. On occasion, Jack would be there and I
would be giving him a number and he would want me to go down maybe get
a paper or something like that and I’d leave the book lay on one of the
tables near the phone and go down and come back up.
Mr. HUBERT. Then you would get your book back?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. I guess it is fair to say, then, that except for those
occasions, and then when you left the book, when you departed from
Dallas, the book was always in your possession?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever notice that some of the entries were made by
someone else in that book prior to the time you left for Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you willing to say that they were not made prior to the
time you left for Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, specifically, some of the entries that you have said
are not in your handwriting——
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Were not in that book when you left for Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. What makes you sure of that?
Mr. CRAFARD. Nobody else had wrote in the book.
Mr. HUBERT. No one had a chance to?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Jack would have had a chance to on a few occasions?
Mr. CRAFARD. On a couple of occasions he had a notebook just like it
that he carried himself.
Mr. HUBERT. But you never saw these entries even after Jack had
occasion to write them in?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. I never noticed them.
Mr. HUBERT. And no one else had a chance to write them in?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Would it have been possible that those entries were written
prior to the time you left Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. I doubt it very much. It was possible, but I doubt very
much if they were.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you testified this morning earlier, too, that the book
seemed to be somewhat different from when you last saw it in Dallas.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. In what ways did it seem different?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe there were more pages in it than was there.
Mr. HUBERT. Pages with writing, or blank pages?
Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t recall whether they was all blank pages or whether
they had writing on them, or what.
Mr. HUBERT. Let’s put it this way: Do you recall any particular pages
that are not in that book at the present time?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You are not in a position to say, then, really, that any
pages with information on them have been taken out?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. Your impression that the book is different than it was
before you left Dallas is based then upon the size of the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Does it seem to have fewer blank pages now than it did
before?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. I thought there was half a dozen or so blank pages in
the middle of the book last time I used it.
Mr. HUBERT. What was your purpose in leaving the book in Dallas when
you determined to go away?
Mr. CRAFARD. There was numbers that, to me, that had to do with this
business and they didn’t mean anything to me, so I just left it there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you do that deliberately?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. I figured they was numbers that he wanted. It didn’t
mean anything to me. I had no use for it.
Mr. HUBERT. You wanted to see that he got them?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. But you don’t know where you left the book?
Mr. CRAFARD. I either left it—I am not positive exactly where I left
it. It was either in his office on the desk or in my room on a stand
where he would have saw it.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us why you didn’t write a note saying why you
were leaving, where you would be?
Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t say why other than what I have said the other day.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you aware that Jack would argue you into staying?
Mr. CRAFARD. I thought he probably would; if I called him or anything
he would probably do his best to get me to stay, and I had made up my
mind to leave and I didn’t want to have to argue with him.
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, that wouldn’t have prevented your writing a note.
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Or of calling Armstrong.
Mr. CRAFARD. I didn’t even think about it a bit.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you think at all about calling anybody?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This wasn’t even a matter that you pondered as to whether
you should or should not call?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; nothing I had thought of. I never had any idea. I
didn’t feel that there was any real reason for me to call anyone.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you told me that you felt grateful to Jack for what
he had done for you.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And that the motivation for your leaving was not any anger.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. On your part against him, but, rather, that you wanted to
see your sister?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t think you owed it to him just to leave him a note?
Mr. CRAFARD. It just never entered my mind.
Mr. HUBERT. Did it occur to you that there might be a question of how
much cash you had in fact taken?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the salary that was owed to you? Weren’t you
interested in that?
Mr. CRAFARD. I didn’t even think about it.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t say goodbye to anybody when you left Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t advise anyone that you were leaving Dallas?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; other than the fact that I give the key to the boy at
the parking lot and told him to tell Jack goodbye for me.
Mr. HUBERT. You did send a message of goodbye to Jack through this man?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave word where you would be?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you leave any message to the effect that you had taken
$5 out of the till?
Mr. CRAFARD. I left a draw slip in the till just like I always have.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you in any kind of trouble there with a girl or
something of that sort?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. That required you to leave as hastily as you did?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Is it your custom to move around like that without leaving
any contact points?
Mr. CRAFARD. Quite frequently; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Who knew you were working at the Carousel among your family
or friends?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I had wrote my cousin and informed her. I
believe I wrote my mother and informed her.
Mr. HUBERT. This girl Gail knew it?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is my cousin.
Mr. HUBERT. That is your cousin?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; the cousin I was referring to at this time.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you expect to have happen to the mail that you got
at the Carousel?
Mr. CRAFARD. I didn’t even realize I had left any mail. I had wrote to
the people. I hadn’t been getting any answers. My mother doesn’t write
an awful lot, and I hadn’t got any letters from my cousin for a little
while. My sister hadn’t answered the letter I wrote to her, so I just——
Mr. HUBERT. Weren’t you going out with a girl that you had gotten
fairly close to by that time?
Mr. CRAFARD. She had left Texas at this time. She had left Texas and,
as far as I know, went out to California.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there anybody else that you were interested in there?
Mr. CRAFARD. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you say to us now that in your opinion, and by this I
mean your departure from Dallas under the circumstances you did depart
was normal in your life?
Mr. CRAFARD. Somewhat, yes; most of the time I go to leave, I just take
off and go.
Mr. HUBERT. You have done that before?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Many times?
Mr. CRAFARD. I’ve done it two or three times I can recall. I usually
leave from around my people, if I’m around my sister I’ll say something
to her that I’m going to take off and where I plan on going. If I
leave home I usually say something to the folks on where I plan on
going.
Mr. HUBERT. After you found out that Jack had killed Oswald, did it
ever occur to you that the way in which you had left Dallas might seem
odd?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; it did occur to me that it might seem very odd.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you communicate that view to anyone?
Mr. CRAFARD. I think I said something to my sister to the effect that
I thought it might be kind of suspicious the way I had left Dallas, so
suddenly, without saying anything to anybody.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you say that to your cousin, too?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know for sure if I said anything to Gail about
that or not.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you told us that you spoke to your cousin, I am
talking about Roberts now, about the fact that you had left Dallas on
Saturday evening and the manner in which you left.
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall saying anything to him about the fact that
I thought it might be suspicious.
Mr. HUBERT. No; I am not suggesting that. But what I want to ask you
is whether he thought that the way in which you left might throw some
suspicion.
Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall him saying anything about it, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did it occur to you that perhaps one easy way to clarify
your position would be to contact the FBI or some police agency and
tell them where you were?
Mr. CRAFARD. I didn’t think about that. I figured that if they were
looking for me, if I had heard anything about the fact that they were
looking for me I figured I’d go to the nearest police station and tell
them who I was and that they was looking for me. But that is the only
thing I thought about on that.
Mr. HUBERT. Didn’t you rather know that they were looking for you?
Mr. CRAFARD. I wasn’t positive that they were. I thought they might be;
yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You had a pretty good idea that they might be?
Mr. CRAFARD. Like I say, I thought they might be looking for me but I
wasn’t positive.
Mr. HUBERT. Wouldn’t you want to find out positive evidence they were
looking for you?
Mr. CRAFARD. If there had been any definite evidence they were looking
for me, I would have went into the nearest police station and told them
who I was.
Mr. HUBERT. What do you mean by definite evidence?
Mr. CRAFARD. The fact I knew for sure they were. I said I just thought
that they might be.
Mr. HUBERT. You just told us that you thought that they might be?
Mr. CRAFARD. That is right; I said that I thought they might be.