CHAPTER XVI

MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS INTERVENE ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC SERVANTS

WHO HAVE BEEN DISCIPLINED

Evidence presented before: The Royal Commission appointed

to inquire into the Civil Establishments, 1888; and the

Tweedmouth Committee, 1897. Instances of intervention by

Members of Parliament. Mr. Austen Chamberlain, Financial

Secretary to the Treasury, in April, 1902, states that at a

low estimate one-third of the time of the highest officials in

the Post Office is occupied with petty questions of discipline

and administrative detail, because of the intervention

of Members of Parliament. He adds that it is "absolutely

deplorable" that time and energy that should be given to the

consideration of large questions must be given to matters that

"in any private business would be dealt with by the officer

on the spot." Sir John Eldon Gorst's testimony before the

Committee on National Expenditure, 1902.

[Sidenote: _M. P.'s and the Rank and File_]

In 1888, Mr. Harvey, a Member of the Royal Commission appointed to

inquire into the Civil Establishments, asked Sir S. A. Blackwood,

Secretary to the Post Office since 1880: "Now I should like to ask

you ... whether you consider there is a distinct tendency among the

clerical establishments [_i. e._, the clerks above the rank and file],

especially the lower division clerks, to develop what for want of a

better term I will call trades union spirit?" "Yes, I believe there

is a good deal of evidence of that." "Have you, yourself, found it

difficult to deal with that; is it a factor in your administration

[of the Post Office]?" "Not with regard to the lower division clerks

[above the rank and file]; it is with regard to the subordinate ranks

of the service, the rank and file; amongst them there is a very

strong tendency in that direction." "A growing tendency?" "It is

certainly growing." "A growing tendency then we may say to introduce

the coöperation of Members of Parliament to deal with individual

grievances?" "A very strongly growing tendency." At this point

Mr. Lawson interrupted: "Individual or class grievances?" "Class

grievances, but there are a great many instances in which individual

grievances are brought forward [by Members of Parliament]." "The

point of the question was whether this spirit of trades unionism was

evoked for the sake of bringing forward individual grievances, and

you said yes; and then I asked whether it was class grievances or

individual grievances?" "I mean class grievances, but it is made use

of in respect of individual grievances." Mr. Harvey resumed: "And you

think it is growing?" "I think it is strongly growing." "So we may

say, to repeat the question I put just now, that it makes a factor

in your administration of the Post Office, and you have always to be

prepared to meet this growing tendency?" "It is continuously raising

difficulties, and very serious ones."

Mr. Lawson queried: "You said something about trades unionism; do you

think it is possible by any regulation to stop trades unionism of a

great class such as the senior division, or the classes which are the

subordinate part of your establishment?" "I think it would be very

difficult." "You would have to reckon with that as a permanent factor?"

"Yes."[329]

This intervention on behalf of individual employees is managed as

follows. Members of Parliament first interview the Postmaster General;

if they fail to obtain satisfaction, they bring the grievance of

their constituent before the House of Commons, by means of a question

addressed in the House to the Postmaster General. It will be remembered

that Mr. Hanbury, Financial Secretary to the Treasury, in 1900 stated

that he had agreed to represent the Postmaster General in the House

of Commons only on condition that he should be given full freedom to

answer such questions in any way he saw fit, and that he should not be

bound by any answers furnished him either by the permanent officers

of the Post Office or by the Postmaster General. And that Sir H. H.

Fowler protested against the Postmaster General sitting in the House of

Lords, on the ground that the questions asked by Members of the House

of Commons often demanded to be answered by a man who had his finger

on the pulse of the House, and was able to cut through the red tape of

officialism on public grounds, which meant, to set aside the rules of

the Department in response to the exigencies of political expediency.

If the answer given by the Postmaster General is unsatisfactory,

the Member of Parliament gives notice that he will bring the matter

up again on the discussion of the Estimates of Expenditure. In the

meantime he brings to bear, behind the scenes, what pressure he can

command. And he often learns to appreciate the grim humor of the reply

once given by a former Minister of Railways in Victoria, Australia,

to a Victorian Royal Commission, to the query whether political

influence was exercised in the administration of the State railways of

Victoria. The reply had been: "I should like to know how you can have a

politician without political influence?"

Of course not all cases of intervention by Members of Parliament are as

successful as was the intervention of Mr. Bradlaugh, which resulted in

the promotion of eleven men out of fourteen who had been passed over

as "not qualified for promotion," or, as was the intervention of the

Member of Parliament whose name was not revealed, which brought about

the revocation of the promotion of the ablest man in the Post Office

at Sheffield. Indeed, the principal effect of these interventions is

not to force the Post Office to retrace steps already taken, it is to

prevent the Post Office from taking certain steps. These interventions

modify the entire administration of the British Post Office. They

compel the Postmaster General and his leading officers to consider the

political aspect of every proposal coming from the local postmasters,

and other intermediate officers, be it a proposal to promote, to

pass over, to discipline, or to dismiss. It was this possibility of

intervention by Members of Parliament, acting under pressure from

civil servants' unions, that gave the late Mr. Fawcett "a perfect

horror of passing over," that caused Mr. Arnold Morley "the greatest

distress" whenever he had to pass anyone over, and that led Mr. Raikes

to state in the House of Commons, that, "in the interests of the Public

Service, and especially in the interests of the Post Office itself,"

he had declined to follow the advice of his officers that he promote

a certain clerk in the Secretary's Office; as well as that he made it

his practice to try to mitigate the rules of the Department governing

punishment and dismissal. It was with the thought of Parliamentary

intervention in mind, that Mr. Austen Chamberlain,[330] Postmaster

General, said, in February, 1903: "The selection of officers for

promotion is always an invidious task."

* * * * *

[Sidenote: _Typical Grievances_]

The testimony given before the Tweedmouth Committee, 1897, contains a

number of incidents which show how leniently the Post Office Department

is obliged to deal with men who violate the rules. These incidents were

brought before the Committee by the representatives of the employees

of the Post Office, for the purpose of proving by individual cases,

that the Department's rulings were unduly severe, and afforded just

cause for grievance.

One Webster, a letter carrier at Liverpool, in July, 1883, failed to

cover his whole walk, and brought back to the office, letters which

he should have delivered. These letters he surreptitiously inserted

among the letters of other carriers. Mr. Herbert Joyce, Third Secretary

to General Post Office, said dismissal would not have been harsh

punishment for the offence; but Webster was merely deprived of one

good conduct stripe, worth 25 cents a week. In 1884 and 1885 Webster's

increment of salary was arrested for unsatisfactory conduct. In July,

1886, Webster was removed from his walk, and reduced to the "junior

men" on the "relief force," for having been under the influence of

drink while on duty. In 1890, Webster complained to headquarters of

harsh treatment, stating that though he had served 15 years, he had not

received three good conduct stripes. And in 1896, Mr. J. S. Smith, the

official representative of the provincial postmen, deemed it expedient

to cite the case to the Tweedmouth Committee in the course of an

argument to the effect that there was too great a difference "between

the punishment meted out to postmen and the punishment meted out to

sorters; not that I say the punishment is too slight for sorters, but

it is, I might say, too severe for postmen," It may be added that, in

1896, Webster was recommended for three good conduct stripes, though

the regulation says that a good conduct stripe shall be awarded only

for five clear and consecutive years of good conduct. Non-observance

of that regulation led the Tweedmouth Committee to report: "The

practice which has grown up in the Department of awarding two stripes

at the same time to a man whose service exceeds 10 years, but whose

unblemished service extends over only 5 years, is, we think, a bad one,

and should be discontinued."[331]

The foregoing recommendation of the Tweedmouth Committee was not

endorsed by the Government. On March 13, 1906, the Postmaster General,

Mr. Sydney Buxton, in reply to Mr. Thomas Smyth, M. P., who was

intervening on behalf of one Thomas Reilly, said: "I find that Thomas

Reilly would have been entitled to an increase of one shilling and

six pence a week in his wages as from April 1, 1905, if his conduct

during the preceding twelve months had been satisfactory. Unfortunately

the necessary certificate to that effect could not be given, but the

question of granting the increase to Reilly will come up again for

consideration shortly.... It will be necessary to postpone for a time

the award of a second stripe."[332]

In October, 1895, one Roberts, an auxiliary postman was warned that he

would be dismissed unless his conduct improved. He had been reported

for "treating parcel receptacles in a rough and reckless manner, and

smashing the parcels." In November, 1895, he altered the address on a

parcel in order to save himself the trouble of delivering the parcel

on the day on which he made the alteration. The parcel was given

to a carrier on another route, who returned it as not deliverable.

After some delay the parcel finally was delivered by Roberts. When

Mr. S. Walpole, Secretary of the Post Office, heard this testimony,

he exclaimed: "And was Roberts dismissed on the spot?" Mr. Badcock,

Controller London Postal Service, replied: "No. The overseer described

him as totally unreliable, and he was warned for the last time." Mr.

Walpole continued: "Why was he not dismissed?" Mr. Badcock replied:

"Well, he ought to have been." In January, 1896, Roberts was again

cautioned; on February 24, 1896, he failed to attend his morning duty;

and he was seriously cautioned again. In March, 1896, he was guilty

of "gross carelessness," and was told to look for other employment.

Thereupon Roberts wrote his postmaster that he was a member of the

Postmen's Federation. Shortly afterward, Mr. Churchfield, Secretary of

the Postmen's Federation, brought Roberts' case before the Tweedmouth

Committee, alleging that the Post Office Department had dismissed

Roberts because he had supplied evidence to the representatives of the

postal employees who had appeared before the Tweedmouth Committee.[333]

In 1878, one Woodhouse, a postman at Norwich, was suspended for two

days for irregular attendance, having been late 42 times in three

months. In 1880, he was suspended for three days, having been late 173

times during the year. Woodhouse also had been very troublesome to the

inspector, setting a bad example to the younger men. In 1882, he was

absent from duty because of intoxication, was grossly insubordinate

to the local postmaster, whom he set at defiance, and also grossly

insubordinate to the surveyor. The local postmaster recommended that

he be dismissed. "At headquarters, however, with a large, and some

people think a very undue, leniency, it was decided to give him one

more trial." In 1889, Woodhouse was cautioned by the postmaster

for insubordinate conduct to the inspector. In 1891 and 1892, the

postmaster refused to recommend him for good conduct stripes. In 1894

there was a marked improvement in Woodhouse's conduct. The improvement

was maintained, and in 1896, Woodhouse was recommended for good conduct

stripes. Of this man, Mr. J. S. Smith, the official representative of

the provincial postmen, said, in 1896, before the Tweedmouth Committee:

"The last 17 or 18 years of Woodhouse's career have been of a most

exemplary description, a good time-keeper and zealous in the discharge

of his duties, and yet, though he had been a postman for 25 years, he

has never been the recipient of a good conduct stripe. By this means

he has been deprived of about $450, truly a great loss for a postman

to suffer through having this vast sum deducted from his wages. It

needs no words of mine to point out the great injustice that has

been inflicted upon Woodhouse. Any little irregularity that may have

occurred (such as bad time-keeping, which is admitted) in the first 7

or 8 years of his service, has been amply atoned for by 17 or 18 years'

punctuality and excellent behavior."[334]

In November, 1895, a letter carrier at Manchester came "under the

influence of drink," and reached at 3.50 p. m. a point in his walk

which he should have reached at 2.30 p. m. "On the following day he was

again under the influence of drink and unfit to make his delivery." The

punishment was the deprivation of one good conduct stripe.[335]

In December, 1895, a postman at Newcastle, while off duty, but in

uniform, "was reeling along [one of the principal streets] intoxicated

at 3 p. m." The case was sent up to the Postmaster General, who decided

that the man should lose one good conduct stripe. Mr. Spencer Walpole,

a member of the Tweedmouth Committee, and the Permanent Secretary

to the Post Office, said dismissal would not have been too severe a

punishment; and Mr. H. Joyce, Third Secretary General Post Office,

London, assented to the statement.[336]

Mr. Badcock, Controller London Postal Service, in replying to the

testimony of Mr. A. F. Harris, the official representative of the

London postmen, said that it was true that while one Worth for some

years past had off and on been made an acting head postman, he had

not been recommended for promotion to the position of head postman,

because his postmaster had reported that he was "shifty, unreliable,

and careless." Mr. Walpole, Secretary of the Post Office, thereupon

queried: "Is that not a reason for not employing him to act as head

postman?" Mr. Badcock replied: "It was thought better to give him a

chance, instead of letting him have the grievance of complaining that

he had not had an opportunity of showing whether he was qualified." Mr.

Walpole continued: "But if he showed himself shifty, unreliable, and

careless for several years, ought not his trial as a head postman to

cease?" Mr. Badcock replied: "I must confess that I think so."[337]

In February, 1887, Mr. Marum intervened in the House of Commons on

behalf of one Ward, a telegraphist, who had been dismissed in 1876

because he had discharged his duties unsatisfactorily.[338]

In February, 1888, Mr. Lawson, a Member of the Royal Commission

appointed to inquire into the Civil Establishments, intervened on

behalf of one Harvey, a letter carrier who had been dismissed in

1882.[339]

In March, 1901, Mr. Bartley[340] intervened on behalf of one Canless,

who had been dismissed because the Postmaster General "was of the

opinion that Mr. Canless was not a fit person to be retained in the

service." On dismissing the man, the Post Office had deducted from his

pay the value of a postal money order--$2.25--alleged to have been

stolen by him.[341] Canless' case was brought up again in August,

1904, upon the occasion of the debate upon the Report of the Bradford

Committee.

In July, 1897, Mr. C. Seale-Hayne intervened on behalf of one J. C.

Kinsman, dismissed for insubordination and delegation of his duties to

unauthorized persons.[342]

In August, 1903, Mr. Sloan, M. P. for Belfast, intervened on behalf of

one Templeton, of the Belfast Post Office, dismissed for emptying ink

on the head of a workman engaged in the Post Office.[343]

In March, 1905, Mr. John Campbell, M. P., tried to induce the

Postmaster General to reopen the case of one M'Cusker, who had been

disciplined in 1897.[344]

In April, 1899, Mr. Lenty asked for a pension for one Wright, whose

"conduct had been such as to render him unfit for further employment in

the public service."[345]

In August, 1902, Mr. Crean asked for a pension for W. H. Allshire, "Who

was reported for certain irregularities for which he would probably

have been dismissed. While the matter was under consideration he sent

in his resignation, which was accepted."[346]

In August, 1903, Mr. L. Sinclair intervened on behalf of B. J. Foreman,

"who was not qualified for the award of a pension, as he was neither 60

years of age nor incapacitated from the performance of his duty" when

his service was terminated.[347]

In March, 1891, Earl Compton intervened on behalf of a first class

sorter who had been reduced to the second class after having been

sentenced to a fine by a Police Magistrate.[348]

In December, 1893, Mr. Keir Hardie asked the

Postmaster General to modify the rules governing fines for being late

at duty. In February, 1899, Mr. Maddison made a similar request.[349]

In October, 1902, Mr. Palmer intervened on behalf of some "learners"

at Reading, who had been punished "for careless performance of their

duties, leading to serious delay in the delivery of telegrams."[350]

Mr. Palmer, a biscuit manufacturer, was the Member for Reading. In the

past he had been an Alderman as well as the Mayor of Reading.

In July, 1901, Mr. Groves intervened on behalf of a postman at

Manchester from whom annual increments of pay had been withheld under

the rules governing irregular attendance.[351] Mr. Groves is Chairman

of the South Salford Conservative Association.

In April, 1900, Mr. Steadman said: "I honestly admit that this

question business might be overdone; but at the same time, if anyone,

postman or anyone else, thinks I can do his case any good by putting

down a question, I shall always do so as long as I am a Member of this

House." Mr. Steadman proved as good as his boast; and in July, 1900,

he intervened on behalf of a man from whom the Post Office Department

had withheld two good conduct stripes "because he had absented himself

frequently on insufficient plea of illness." Mr. Steadman stood ready

to shield any malingerer who might apply to him, though malingering is

a serious evil in the Post Office service. For example, in 1901 the

average number of days' absence on sick-leave was 7.6 days for the men

in that part of the staff that receives full pay during sick-leave, as

against 5.2 days for the men in that part of the staff that receives

only half-pay during sick-leave.[352] Mr. Steadman had been elected to

Parliament by a majority of 20 votes. He is at present a Member of the

London County Council.[353]

In June, 1906, Mr. Sydney Buxton, who had become Postmaster General,

upon the formation of the Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman Ministry, in

December, 1905, expressed himself as follows:[354] "He was informed

a little while ago by his private secretary that in the ordinary way

60 or 70 applications of various sorts were made by honorable Members

in the course of a calendar month, but that for some months past, in

consequence perhaps of there being a new Government, a new Parliament,

new Members, and a new Postmaster General, the number of applications

of all sorts had amounted to between 300 and 400 per month."

[Sidenote: _A Member of the Select Committee on Post Office Servants,

1906_]

In May, 1906, Mr. J. Ward, a Member of the Select Committee on

Post Office Servants, 1906, asked the Postmaster General "whether

his attention had been called to the dismissal of E. C. Feasey, of

Walsall, who had been an efficient officer in the postal service

for 17 years ... and whether he will reconsider the question of the

man's reinstatement?" Mr. Buxton replied: "I have looked into the

circumstances connected with the dismissal by my predecessor of E. C.

Feasey, formerly a town postman at Walsall. I find that Feasey had

a most unsatisfactory record.... I am not prepared to consider the

question of reinstatement."[355]

In March, 1906, the Postmaster General, in reply to Mr. Nannetti,

M. P., said: "The Reports and statements in the Corcoran case were

fully considered at the time [1901], and I can see no good purpose in

reopening the matter after a lapse of five years."[356]

In April, 1906, Mr. Wiles,[357] M. P., intervened on behalf of the

head messenger in the Secretary's Office at the General Post Office,

London. Under the administration of Lord Stanley, Postmaster General,

an allowance of 4 shillings a week given the head messenger at the time

of his appointment, had been withheld from October, 1900, to October,

1905. Mr. Sydney Buxton replied: "I have already had this case under my

consideration. The allowance of 4 shillings a week is being granted,

but unfortunately the allowance cannot be made retrospective."

Mr. Wiles had been elected to Parliament in January, 1906, having

defeated Sir Albert K. Rollit, who, for many years, had made a

specialty of championing the cause of Post Office employees who had a

grievance.

* * * * *

[Sidenote: _Deplorable Waste of Executive Ability_]

In April, 1902, Mr. Austen Chamberlain, Financial Secretary to the

Treasury, and representative in the House of Commons of the Postmaster

General, the Marquis of Londonderry, said: "In a great administration

like this there must be decentralization, and how difficult it is to

decentralize, either in the Post Office or in the Army, when working

under constant examination by question and answer in this House, no

honorable Member who has not had experience of official life can easily

realize. But there must be decentralization, because every little petty

matter cannot be dealt with by the Postmaster General or the Permanent

Secretary to the Post Office. Their attention should be reserved in

the main for large questions, and I think it is deplorable, absolutely

deplorable, that so much of their time should be occupied, as under the

present circumstances it necessarily is occupied, with matters of very

small detail, because these matters of detail are asked by honorable

Members, and because we do not feel an honorable Member will accept an

answer from anyone but the highest authority. I think a third of the

time--I am putting it at a low estimate--of the highest officials in

the Post Office is occupied in answering questions raised by Members of

this House, and in providing me with information in order that I may

be in a position to answer the inquiries addressed to me" concerning

matters which, "in any private business, would be dealt with by the

officer on the spot, without appeal or consideration unless grievous

cause were shown."[358]

In March, 1903, Mr. Austen Chamberlain, Postmaster General, read

the following Post Office Rule: "A postmaster is to address to his

surveyor, and a subordinate officer is to address to the postmaster

(who will forward it to his surveyor), any application from himself

having reference to his duties or pay, or any communications he may

desire to make relating to official matters; and if the applicant is

dissatisfied with the result he may appeal direct to the Postmaster

General. But it is strictly forbidden to make any such application or

other communication through the public, or to procure one to be made by

Members of Parliament, or others; and should an irregular application

be received, the officer on whose behalf it is made will be subject to

censure or punishment proportionate to the extent of his participation

in the violation of the rule." Mr. Chamberlain added: "But it has been

my practice [as well as that of Mr. Chamberlain's predecessors] to

treat the rule as applying only to applications so made in the first

instance, and I have raised no objection to an officer who had appealed

to me, and was dissatisfied with my decision, applying subsequently to

a Member of Parliament."[359]

* * * * *

The Post Office is not the only British Department of State which is

obliged to consider with care how far it may go counter to individual

interests in enforcing rules and standards adopted for the preservation

of the public interest.

Before the Select Committee on National Expenditure, 1902, Sir John

Eldon Gorst, M. P., and Vice-President of the Committee of Council

on Education, 1895 to 1902, said: "What I want to impress upon the

Committee is that Parliament has never an influence which goes for

economy of any kind in the expenditure of public money on education

[about $40,000,000 a year]. Then I hope I have now shown the Committee

that the only security the public has that what it spends will be

efficiently spent is the system of inspection. Earlier in my evidence

I also pointed out the two systems which are in vogue for inspection,

namely the South Kensington system and the Whitehall system. The

Whitehall system, which deals with the larger amount of public money,

is extremely inefficient. The Elementary Education Inspectors have

before their eyes the fear, first of all, of the managers of the

schools which they visit. The managers of the schools are often

important School Boards like the School Board of London, which is not

a body to be trifled with, which has very great influence, both in

Parliament and in the Education Department, and which the Inspectors

are very much afraid of offending. But it is not only powerful School

Boards, but any managers [of schools] can take the matter up. If an

Inspector goes into a school and sees [reports] that the children are

dirty, or that the school is dirty, or that the teacher is inefficient,

the manager is up in arms at once, and writes a letter to the Board of

Education, and comes up and sees the Secretary, and protests against

the Inspector for having dared to make an unfavorable report of his

or her school. Besides that, the Inspectors have before their eyes

the fear of the National Union of Teachers. Almost every teacher now

is a member of the National Union of Teachers, and if an Inspector is

supposed to be severe, a teacher complains at once to the National

Union, and the case is taken up, possibly even in Parliament, by some

of the officials of the National Union of Teachers in Parliament, and

it is made very uncomfortable for the Inspector. Then, lastly, they

[_i. e._, the Inspectors] have the office--that is not, say, their own

Chief Inspector, but the officials of the office, who do not like an

Inspector who makes trouble. The great art of an Inspector is to get

on well with the managers [of schools] and teachers, and to make no

trouble at all. I have known cases of adverse reports which were not

liked at the office being sent back to the Inspector to alter," not by

the Chief Inspector, or Senior Inspector of the District, but by some

other person in the office.[360]

Sir John Eldon Gorst was Solicitor-General in 1885-86, Under Secretary

for India in 1886 to 1891, Financial Secretary to the Treasury in

1891-92, Deputy Chairman of Committees of the House of Commons in 1888

to 1891, and Vice-President of Council on Education in 1885 to 1902. He

was a Member of the House of Commons in 1866 to 1868, and has been a

member continuously since 1875. Since 1892 he has sat as representative

of the University of Cambridge.

Sir John Eldon Gorst was by no means unwilling to take his share of

blame for the mismanagement in the various Departments of State arising

out of the intervention of the House of Commons--under pressure from

the constituencies, or organized groups in the constituencies--in

the administrative details of the Departments of State. He said: "I

have been as great a sinner as anyone in the days when I represented

Chatham,[361] before I was a Member of the Government; I was

perpetually urging the Secretary of the Admiralty for the time being to

increase the expenditures at the dockyards"[362] [in the interest of

the laborers in the dockyards and of the merchants and manufacturers

who have raw materials to sell to the dockyards].

FOOTNOTES:

[329] _Second Report of the Royal Commission appointed to inquire into

the Civil Establishments_, 1888; Sir S. A. Blackwood, Secretary to the

Post Office since 1880; q. 17,821 to 17,827.

[330] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, February 25, 1903, p. 803.

[331] _Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Post Office

Establishments_, 1897, p. 19; q. 9,132 and following, Mr. J. S. Smith;

and q. 12,366, Mr. H. Joyce, Third Secretary to the General Post Office.

[332] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, March 13, 1906.

[333] _Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Post Office

Establishments_, 1897; Mr. Churchfield, Secretary Postmen's Federation;

q. 10,994 and following; and Mr. J. C. Badcock, Controller London

Postal Service; q. 11,585 to 11,589.

[334] _Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Post Office

Establishments_, 1897; Mr. H. Joyce, Third Secretary to General Post

Office; q. 12,316; and Mr. J. S. Smith; q. 9,063.

[335] _Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Post Office

Establishments_, 1897; Mr. H. Joyce, Third Secretary General Post

Office; q. 12,374; and Mr. J. S. Smith; q. 9,115.

[336] _Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Post Office

Establishments_, 1897; Mr. H. Joyce, Third Secretary General Post

Office; q. 12,356 to 12,360; and Mr. J. S. Smith, representative of the

provincial postmen; q. 9,108.

[337] _Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Post Office

Establishments_, 1897; q. 11,485 and following, and 9,187 and following.

[338] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, February 14, 1887, p. 1,399.

[339] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, February 24, 1888, p. 1,375.

[340] _Who's Who_, 1905, Bartley, Sir G. C. T., K. C. B., cr. 1902;

M. P. North Islington since 1885; Assistant Director of Science

Division of Science and Art Department till 1880; resigned to stand for

Parliament; established National Penny Bank to promote thrift, 1875.

[341] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, March 15, 1901, p. 84.

[342] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, July 27, 1897, p. 1,221.

[343] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, August 13, 1903, p. 1,160.

[344] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, March 9, 1905, p. 397.

[345] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, April 27, 1899, p. 711.

[346] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, August 1, 1902, p. 395.

[347] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, August 5, 1903, p. 1,528.

[348] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, March 13, 1891.

[349] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, December 7, 1893, p. 633; and

February 24, 1899, p. 443.

[350] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, October 27, 1902, p. 797.

[351] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, July 18, 1901, p. 840.

[352] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, April 27, 1900, p. 206; July

23, p. 1,468; and Mr. Austen Chamberlain, Postmaster General, April 30,

1903, pp. 1,024 and 1,035.

[353] _Who's Who_, 1905.

[354] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, June 21, 1906, p. 397.

[355] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, May 21, 1906, p. 938.

[356] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, March 20, 1906, p. 198.

[357] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, April 5, 1906, p. 705.

[358] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, April 2, 1902.

[359] _Hansard's Parliamentary Debates_, March 12, 1903, p. 564.

[360] _Report from the Select Committee on National Expenditure_, 1902;

q. 2,430 _et passim_.

[361] 1875 to 1885.

[362] _Report from the Select Committee on National Expenditure_, 1902;

q. 2,502.

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