A TALK WITH MR. TILDEN

[_From a Special Correspondent of the "World," July 17, 18--_]

"SEA GIRT, N. J., _July 16_.

"Governor Tilden, as some time ago announced in the _World_, will

sail in the Cunard steamer _Scythia_ Wednesday, and is to be

accompanied by Secretary of State Bigelow. The trip is purely for

recreation, and the travellers will not return until the middle of

October. Mr. Tilden, therefore, will be absent from the country and

State during what is expected to be the interesting fall campaign.

The fact that Mr. Bigelow is to accompany him will perhaps satisfy

the politicians and set at rest the question of his renomination

as Secretary of State. I have learned while here, authoritatively,

that Mr. Bigelow is not and will not be a candidate before the

approaching State convention of New York for a renomination.

"Mr. Tilden is looking remarkably well, and declares himself to

be very much improved in health by his sojourn at this pleasant

resort. He said to me that his trip has no connection whatever with

any business enterprise or railroad scheme, as has been announced

without authority in some of the papers. As to the events which

have happened since the Presidential election and the numerous wild

rumors circulated in reference to his political intentions, Mr.

Tilden talked very freely. In regard to the electoral commission, he

said that he had never had any real confidence in the arbitration of

a question where there was so much at stake by a body of that kind.

That settlement, he said, involved not only the Presidency, but all

the patronage and power of the Federal administration, together with

all the schemes, plans, and jobs connected with it. The Republican

party and the men who had managed it in the past were too anxious to

retain the administration to yield any point in an arbitration. The

result of the electoral commission, therefore, was what might have

been expected considering the power and influence brought to bear

upon the political majority of that body as finally constituted.

He furthermore never liked the scheme as a matter of principle,

believing that the true direction of a Democratic appeal was

not away from 369 representatives of the people towards fifteen

individuals, and still less from fifteen individuals towards one

to be selected necessarily with a large element of chance, not to

say of trick and device. He thought there should rather have been

an appeal from the 369 representatives to the 8,000,000 of voters

through a new election. He was distrustful of the secrecy, celerity,

and improvidence with which the arrangement was carried through

and ushered into being. But the proposition appealed to the hopes

of the business classes, which were anxious above all things for a

settlement of almost any kind, at almost any price, and as it was

presented by the unanimous report of the joint committee, it become

the representative, and the only representative, of the public

desire for peace.

"The events which are now attracting so much public attention in New

Orleans and the disclosures which, perhaps, may follow, Mr. Tilden

seemed to consider only as the logical outcome of the revolutionary

acts of last fall and winter. 'In a government like ours,' he said,

'such fraudulent practices as were reported from New Orleans last

November sooner or later must come to the light, and the guilty

parties with their practices must be made known. It was so with the

ring frauds in New York; it has been the case to a certain extent

in Washington, and a like result will follow in New Orleans. It is

against the natural course of events that deeds of this kind should

ultimately fail of being brought to light in all their enormities.'

All this was said with philosophic calmness and without any heat

whatever.

"In regard to his own political future, Mr. Tilden had nothing to

say except that he could not see any possible contingency which

could induce him to be a candidate for or to seek an election to a

seat in the United States Senate. He felt entirely confident of the

success of the Democratic party this fall in all the large central

States, and especially in New York, by a very large majority,

believing that events were all pointing in that direction. To the

charge that he has been seeking to control the nominations of the

next Democratic State convention of New York, he gave a direct

denial, and added that he thought it unwise to interfere in any way

as between the numerous friends who are seeking position on the

State ticket. His absence abroad during the time for holding the

convention and selecting the delegates would, he said, preclude any

interference on his part. He thought, however, that the drift of

public sentiment was towards a new ticket altogether, with none of

the present incumbents upon it. He hoped that the ticket would be so

made up as to be recognized as thoroughly able, strong, and upright.

He appeared to be specially anxious that the Democracy should secure

a majority in the next State Senate, in order that the evils which

have been brought about by Republican control of that body might be

corrected.

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