I agree with you, Socrates, he said.

And can all this be true, think you? he said; for these are the

consequences which seem to follow from the assumption that the soul is a

harmony?

It cannot be true.

Once more, he said, what ruler is there of the elements of human nature

other than the soul, and especially the wise soul? Do you know of any?

Indeed, I do not.

And is the soul in agreement with the affections of the body? or is she

at variance with them? For example, when the body is hot and thirsty,

does not the soul incline us against drinking? and when the body

is hungry, against eating? And this is only one instance out of ten

thousand of the opposition of the soul to the things of the body.

Very true.

But we have already acknowledged that the soul, being a harmony, can

never utter a note at variance with the tensions and relaxations and

vibrations and other affections of the strings out of which she is

composed; she can only follow, she cannot lead them?

It must be so, he replied.

And yet do we not now discover the soul to be doing the exact

opposite--leading the elements of which she is believed to be composed;

almost always opposing and coercing them in all sorts of ways throughout

life, sometimes more violently with the pains of medicine and gymnastic;

then again more gently; now threatening, now admonishing the desires,

passions, fears, as if talking to a thing which is not herself, as Homer

in the Odyssee represents Odysseus doing in the words--

'He beat his breast, and thus reproached his heart: Endure, my heart;

far worse hast thou endured!'

Do you think that Homer wrote this under the idea that the soul is a

harmony capable of being led by the affections of the body, and not

rather of a nature which should lead and master them--herself a far

diviner thing than any harmony?

Yes, Socrates, I quite think so.

Then, my friend, we can never be right in saying that the soul is a

harmony, for we should contradict the divine Homer, and contradict

ourselves.

True, he said.

Thus much, said Socrates, of Harmonia, your Theban goddess, who has

graciously yielded to us; but what shall I say, Cebes, to her husband

Cadmus, and how shall I make peace with him?

I think that you will discover a way of propitiating him, said Cebes; I

am sure that you have put the argument with Harmonia in a manner that

I could never have expected. For when Simmias was mentioning his

difficulty, I quite imagined that no answer could be given to him, and

therefore I was surprised at finding that his argument could not sustain

the first onset of yours, and not impossibly the other, whom you call

Cadmus, may share a similar fate.

Nay, my good friend, said Socrates, let us not boast, lest some evil eye

should put to flight the word which I am about to speak. That, however,

may be left in the hands of those above, while I draw near in Homeric

fashion, and try the mettle of your words. Here lies the point:--You

want to have it proven to you that the soul is imperishable and

immortal, and the philosopher who is confident in death appears to you

to have but a vain and foolish confidence, if he believes that he will

fare better in the world below than one who has led another sort of

life, unless he can prove this; and you say that the demonstration of

the strength and divinity of the soul, and of her existence prior to our

becoming men, does not necessarily imply her immortality. Admitting the

soul to be longlived, and to have known and done much in a former state,

still she is not on that account immortal; and her entrance into

the human form may be a sort of disease which is the beginning of

dissolution, and may at last, after the toils of life are over, end in

that which is called death. And whether the soul enters into the body

once only or many times, does not, as you say, make any difference in

the fears of individuals. For any man, who is not devoid of sense,

must fear, if he has no knowledge and can give no account of the soul's

immortality. This, or something like this, I suspect to be your notion,

Cebes; and I designedly recur to it in order that nothing may escape us,

and that you may, if you wish, add or subtract anything.

But, said Cebes, as far as I see at present, I have nothing to add or

subtract: I mean what you say that I mean.

Socrates paused awhile, and seemed to be absorbed in reflection. At

length he said: You are raising a tremendous question, Cebes, involving

the whole nature of generation and corruption, about which, if you like,

I will give you my own experience; and if anything which I say is likely

to avail towards the solution of your difficulty you may make use of it.

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