This discussion, moreover, should not take place perhaps in the

particular affair in question. I am just informed, that the French

proprietor claims his vessel as retaken from pirates, offering to pay

a third of its value to the American privateer, which delivered it.

This is agreeable to the 10th article, under the title of _Prizes_, of

the ordinance of 1681, which appears justly applicable to this

particular case. If it should be found, that the Guernsey privateer

falls under the description of those pirates, whose depredations have

obliged his Majesty to order general reprisals, and that she has not

been furnished with new letters of marque, which the Court of London

did not grant before the month of August, to cruise against French

vessels, as appears from the declaration of the Captain of the

Isabella, this question will be necessarily submitted to the decision

of the tribunals; and I cannot do otherwise than see, that the most

prompt justice be rendered to the American privateer. I request, at

any rate, that you will be pleased to give me your opinion on the

principal question, taking for granted the different laws of the two

nations with respect to reprisals or rescues.

I have the honor to be, &c.

DE SARTINE.

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TO M. DE SARTINE.

Passy, 17th September, 1778.

Sir,

We have this morning the honor of receiving your Excellency's letter

of the 16th, relative to the French brigantine, the Isabella, retaken

by the American privateer, the General Mifflin, from a Guernsey

privateer, after having been eight hours in his hands.

We have the honor to agree perfectly with your Excellency, in your

sentiments of the justice and policy of the principle of reciprocity

between the two nations, and that this principle requires that French

ships of war, or privateers, should have the same advantage in case

of prizes and recaptures, that the American privateers enjoy in

France.

We are so unfortunate, at present, as to have no copy of any of the

laws of the United States relative to such cases, and are not able to

recollect, with precision, the regulations in any of them. But we are

informed by Captain M'Neil, that by the law of Massachusetts Bay, if a

vessel is taken within twentyfour hours, one third goes to the

recaptors; after twentyfour hours until seventytwo hours, one half;

after seventytwo hours and before ninetysix hours, three quarters; and

after ninety six hours, the whole.

All that we have power to do in this case is, to convey to Congress a

copy of your Excellency's letter, and of our answer, and we have no

doubt but Congress will readily recommend to the several States to

make laws, giving to French privateers either the same advantages that

their own privateers have in such cases, in their own ports, or the

same advantages that the French privateers enjoy in the ports of this

kingdom in such cases, by the ordinance of the King. And we wish your

Excellency would signify to us, which would probably be most agreeable

to his Majesty. If the case of this vessel must come before the public

tribunal, upon the simple question, whether she was taken from a

pirate or not, that tribunal we doubt not will decide with

impartiality; but we cannot refrain from expressing to your

Excellency, that we think the original owner will be ill advised if he

should put himself to this trouble and expense.

We presume not to dispute the wisdom of the ordinance of the King,

which gives to the recaptor from a pirate only one third; because we

know not the species of pirates which was then in contemplation, nor

the motives of that regulation. But your Excellency will permit us to

observe, that this regulation is so different from the general

practice, and from the spirit of the laws of nations, that there is no

doubt it ought to receive a strict interpretation, and that it is

incumbent on the original proprietor to make it very evident, that the

first captor was a pirate.

In the case in question, the Guernsey privateer certainly had a

commission from the King of Great Britain, against American vessels at

least. But admitting, for argument's sake, that he had no commission

at all, the question arises, whether the two nations of France and

England are at war or not. And, although there has been no formal

declaration of war on either side, yet there seems to be little doubt

that the two nations have been at actual war, at least from the time

of the mutual recall of their Ambassadors, if not from the moment of

the British King's most warlike speech to his Parliament.

Now, if it is admitted that the two nations are at war, we believe it

would be without a precedent in the history of jurisprudence to

adjudge the subject of any nation to be guilty of piracy for an act of

hostility, committed at sea against the subject of another nation at

war. Such a principle, for what we see, would conclude all the

admirals and other officers of both nations guilty of the same

offence.

It is not the want of a commission, as we humbly conceive, that makes

a man guilty of piracy; but committing hostilities against human kind,

at least against a nation not at war.

Commissions are but one species of evidence that nations are at war.

But there are many other ways of proving the same thing.

Subjects and citizens, it is true, are forbidden by most civilized

nations to arm vessels for cruising against their enemies, without a

commission from the sovereign; but it is upon penalty, of confiscation

or some other, perhaps, milder punishment, not on the penalties of

piracy.

Moreover, perhaps, prizes made upon enemies by subjects or citizens,

without commission from their sovereigns, may belong to the

sovereigns, not to the captors, by the laws of most nations; but,

perhaps, no nation ever punished as pirates their own subjects or

citizens, for making a prize from an enemy without a commission.

We beg your Excellency's pardon for detaining you so long from objects

of more importance, and have the honor to be, &c.

B. FRANKLIN,

ARTHUR LEE,

JOHN ADAMS.

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TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.

Passy, 17th September, 1778.

Sir,

The last letter which we have had the honor to write jointly to

Congress, was of the 20th of July,[52] and as we have sent several

copies of it by different opportunities, we hope one of them, at

least, will get safe to hand. Since our last, there has been an

important action at sea, between two very powerful fleets, in which,

in our opinion, the French had a manifest and great advantage. But as

all the newspapers in Europe are full of this transaction, and we have

taken, in our separate capacities, every opportunity to transmit these

papers to Congress, we think it needless to be more particular

concerning that event in this letter.

The French fleet, on the 11th of last month, again put to sea, and on

the 22d Admiral Keppel sailed. By the best intelligence from London

the populace are amused, and the public funds are supported by hopes

given out, by administration of peace, by an acknowledgment of

American independency. But as the credulity of that nation has no

bounds, we can draw no inference from this general opinion, that such

is the intention of government. We suppose that rumor to be a

consequence of the mischievous determination of the Cabinet, to

propose independence on condition of a separate peace.

We are here, at this moment, in a state of the most anxious and

critical suspense, having heard nothing from Count d'Estaing, nor from

America, since the 11th of July.

Congress will be informed by Mr Arthur Lee, respecting the Court of

Spain.

We have taken measures in Amsterdam for borrowing money of the Dutch,

but what success we shall have we cannot yet say. We have also asked

leave of this government to borrow money in this kingdom, but having

no answer we cannot say whether we shall get permission or not. We

have yesterday applied for a continuation of the quarterly payment of

seven hundred and fifty thousand livres; what the answer will be we

know not; if it is in the negative, the consequence must be plain to

Congress and to us. It is at all times wisest and safest, both for the

representative and his constituent, to be candid, and we should think

ourselves criminal if we should disguise our just apprehensions.

Congress then will be pleased to be informed, that all the powers of

Europe are now armed or arming themselves by land or sea, or both, as

there seems to be a universal apprehension of a general war. Such is

the situation of European nations at least, that no one can arm itself

without borrowing money. Besides this, the Emperor and king of Prussia

are at actual war. All this together has produced this effect, that

France, England, the Emperor, Spain, Russia at least, are borrowing

money, and there is not one of them that we can learn, but offers

better interest than the United States have offered. There can be no

motive then but simple benevolence to lend to us.

Applications have been frequently made to us by Americans, who have

been some time abroad, to administer the oath of allegiance to the

United States, and to give them certificates that they have taken such

oaths. In three instances we have yielded to their importunity; in the

case of Mr Moore, of New Jersey, who has large property in the East

Indies, which he designs to transfer immediately to America,--in the

case of Mr Woodford, of Virginia, a brother of General Woodford, who

has been sometime in Italy, and means to return to America with his

property,--and yesterday, in the case of Mr Montgomery, of

Philadelphia, who is settled at Alicant, in Spain, but wishes to send

vessels and cargoes of his own property to America. We have given our

opinions to these gentlemen frankly, that such certificates are in

strictness legally void, because there is no act of Congress that

expressly gives us power to administer oaths. We have also given two

or three commissions by means of the blanks with which Congress

intrusted us, one to Mr Livingston, and one to Mr Amiel, to be

Lieutenants in the navy, and in these cases we have ventured to

administer the oaths of allegiance. We have also, in one instance,

administered the oath of secrecy to one of our Secretaries, and

perhaps it is necessary to administer such an oath, as well as that of

allegiance, to all persons whom we may be obliged in the extensive

correspondence we maintain to employ. We hope we shall not have the

disapprobation of Congress for what in this way has been done, but we

wish for explicit powers and instructions upon this head.

There are, among the multitude of Americans who are scattered about

the various parts of Europe, some, we hope many, who wish to take the

oath of allegiance, and to have some mode prescribed by which they may

be enabled to send their vessels and cargoes to America with safety

from their own friends, American men of war, and privateers. Will it

not be practicable for Congress to prescribe some mode of giving

registers of ships, some mode of evidence to ascertain the property of

cargoes, by which it might be made to appear to the cruisers and Court

of Admiralty, that the property belonged to Americans abroad? If

Congress should appoint Consuls, could not such power be given to

them, or would Congress empower their Commissioners or any others?

Several persons from England have applied to us to go to America; they

profess to be friends to liberty, to republics, to America; they wish

to take their lot with her, to take the oath of allegiance to the

States, and to go over with their property. We hope to have

instructions upon this head, and a mode pointed out for us to proceed

in.

In observance of our instructions to inquire into M. Holker's

authority, we waited on his Excellency, the Count de Vergennes,

presented him with an extract of the letter concerning him, and

requested to know what authority M. Holker had. His Excellency's

answer to us was, that he was surprised, for that M. Holker had no

verbal commission from the ministry; but that M. de Vergennes, being

informed that M. Holker was going to America, desired him to write to

him, from time to time, the state of things and the temper of the

people.

We have given orders to M. Bonfield, at Bordeaux, to ship to America

twentyeight 24 pounders, and twentyeight 18 pounders, according to our

instructions. By his answer to us it will take some little time,

perhaps two or three months, to get those cannon at a good rate, and

in good condition.

Our distance from Congress obliges us very often to act without

express instructions, upon points in which we should be very glad to

have their orders. One example of which is, the case of the American

prisoners in England. Numbers have been taken and confined in gaols;

others, especially masters of vessels, are set at liberty. We are told

there are five hundred yet in England. Many have escaped from their

prisons, who make their way to Paris, some by the way of Holland,

others by Dunkirk, and others by means of smuggling vessels in other

ports in this kingdom. They somehow get money to give gaolers in order

to escape, then they take up money in England, in Holland, in Dunkirk,

and elsewhere, to bear their expenses to Paris, then they apply to us

to pay their other expenses, and expenses to Nantes, Brest, and other

seaport towns. When arrived there, they apply to the American agent

for more money; besides this, bills of their drawing are brought to us

from Holland, and other places; all this makes a large branch of

expense. We have no orders to advance money in these cases, yet we

have ventured to advance considerable sums; but the demands that are

coming upon us from all quarters are likely to exceed so vastly all

our resources, that we must request positive directions whether we are

to advance money to any prisoners whatever. If to any, whether to

merchants, and seamen of private vessels, and to officers and crews of

privateers, as well as to officers and men in the Continental service.

We have taken unwearied pains, and have put the United States to very

considerable expense, in order to give satisfaction to these people,

but all we have done has not the effect; we are perpetually told of

discontented speeches, and we often receive peevish letters from these

persons in one place and another, that they are not treated with so

much respect as they expected, nor furnished with so much money as

they wanted. We should not regard these reflections if we had the

orders of Congress.

We have the honor to be, &c.

B. FRANKLIN,

ARTHUR LEE,

JOHN ADAMS.

FOOTNOTES:

[52] It is thus in the original, but it will have been seen, that

there are three short letters to Congress between July 20th and

September 17th.

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M. NECKER TO THE COUNT DE VERGENNES.

Translation.

Paris, September 18th, 1778.

Sir,

I conclude from your note of the 5th instant, that the Commissioners

of the North American Congress have informed you, that there are many

Americans in England, and other parts of Europe, who, desirous of

returning to their country, have requested permission to transport

their effects through France, without being subjected to the payment

of duties.

Such an exemption would be contrary to all rule, and could only be

granted by means of passports, which would indemnify the public chest;

you will doubtless see that such is not the case here.

This favor, however, can be shown them. The transit regularly gives

occasion for a duty on the importation, and a second on the

exportation; only one of these shall be imposed; it shall be paid at

the office of entry; the effects shall be estimated at a very moderate

rate if they are not new; they shall then be transported with free

permits, and under seal, to secure them from new examinations on the

route, until they leave the kingdom. I think you will agree, that it

would not be possible to grant them more favorable terms. I beg you to

request the Commissioners to make known to us those Americans, for

whom this favor is requested, that I may give the necessary orders,

and prevent all abuses in this respect.

I have the honor to be, &c.

NECKER.

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TO THE AMERICAN PRISONERS IN PLYMOUTH, OR ELSEWHERE IN GREAT BRITAIN.

Passy, September 20th, 1778.

Gentlemen,

Although we have not written to you directly for some time, you may be

assured we have not been unmindful of your interests, your comfort, or

your liberty. We have been engaged a long time in negotiating a cartel

of exchange. This work we found attended with many difficulties, but

at last have obtained assurances from England, that an exchange shall

take place. We have also obtained from the government of this

kingdom, a passport for a vessel to come from England to Nantes, or

L'Orient, with American prisoners, there to take in British prisoners

in exchange. We now sincerely hope that you will obtain your liberty.

We cannot certainly say, however, that all will be immediately

exchanged, because we fear we have not an equal number to be sent to

England. Those that remain, if any, will be those who have been the

latest in captivity, and consequently have suffered the least.

While the British government refused to make any agreement of

exchange, the Commissioners here never discouraged their countrymen

from escaping from the prisons in England, but on the contrary have

lent several sums of money, sufficient with great economy to bear

their expenses to some seaport, to such as have made their way hither.

But, if the British government should honorably keep their agreement

to make a regular exchange, we shall not think it consistent with the

honor of the United States to encourage such escapes, or to give any

assistance to such as shall escape. Such escapes, hereafter would have

a tendency to excite the British administration to depart from the

cartel, to treat the prisoners remaining with more rigor, and to

punish those that escape, if retaken, with more severity.

On the other hand, we have now obtained permission of this government

to put all British prisoners, whether taken by continental frigates or

by privateers, into the King's prisons, and we are determined to treat

such prisoners precisely as our countrymen are treated in England, to

give them the same allowance of provisions and accommodations and no

other. We, therefore, request you to inform us with exactness what

your allowance is from the government, that we may govern ourselves

accordingly.

We have the honor to be, with much respect and affection, your

countrymen and humble servants,

B. FRANKLIN,

ARTHUR LEE,

JOHN ADAMS.

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M. DE SARTINE TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

Translation.

Versailles, September 21st, 1778.

Gentlemen,

I have had the honor of receiving your note of the 17th instant. I

have no doubt that my observations on the necessity of a perfect

reciprocity between the two nations, in regard to recaptures at sea,

appear to you just. I am sorry that you have not at hand a copy of the

laws of the United States relative to this subject. Many difficulties,

which the distance of the two countries may render very frequent,

might thus have been prevented. The laws of Massachusetts Bay,

referred to by Captain M'Neil, are different from those of England,

and somewhat resemble the French. The English regulations seem to be

more favorable to the interests of commerce, (which should never be

lost sight of even in war,) by allowing half of the vessel in all

cases to the original owner. But it is particularly important, that

the different States should adopt some uniform and permanent system in

regard to this subject, so that there may not be different regulations

for each State, which the ignorance of the commanders of privateers

will prevent them from applying to different circumstances, thus

giving rise to difficulties, which might be avoided by uniform

legislation.

With regard to the recapture of the Isabella by Captain M'Neil, I have

merely indicated to you the grounds on which the owners rested their

claims in their letter to me. It is not the province of the government

to examine them; that matter comes under the jurisdiction of the

courts; if their sentence should be unfavorable to the original

owners, you will certainly agree that a third, or even a half, of the

value of the vessel ought to be deposited in the hands of a public

officer appointed for that purpose, until the two nations shall agree

upon some reciprocal regulations concerning vessels recaptured from

the common enemy.

I have the honor to be, &c.

DE SARTINE.

* * * * *

M. DE SARTINE TO COUNT DE VERGENNES.

Translation.

Versailles, September 21st, 1778.

Sir,

I have had the honor to receive your note of the 5th instant,

informing me of the wish of the Commissioners of the United States of

North America to engage your good offices with the king, that the

necessary measures may be taken to fulfil his Majesty's engagements,

under the 8th article of the treaty of February 6th of the present

year, in reference to the Barbary Powers. I have examined the article,

and find that the king promised to employ his mediation, with the

Emperor of Morocco, and the other Barbary Powers, in order to provide

as fully as possible for the interest and security of the citizens of

the United States, and the protection of their vessels and effects

against all violence, insult, attacks, or depredations by the said

Barbary Powers or their subjects.

From the nature of this engagement, it appears to me proper to use all

means to comply with it, notwithstanding any difficulties which seem

to lie in the way; but before presenting any plan to his Majesty, it

seems to me necessary to inform him of the actual dispositions of the

United States, and of the measures they may deem desirable on the part

of France.

Do the United States wish to conclude treaties with the Barbary

Powers, or do they wish merely that our influence should be exerted to

make their flag respected by those powers? In the latter case we

should never succeed, or if we should obtain liberty of commerce for

the United States from some of them, it would be an illusory,

temporary, and precarious permission, and would infallibly expose us,

without being of the least benefit to the citizens of the United

States. The Algerines, in particular, would never acknowledge the flag

of the United States, unless it were made for their interests to do

so.

You know too well, Sir, the character of the Barbary States, and their

policy, to be ignorant of the inefficacy and dangers of such a

measure. It would probably be less difficult to induce them to

acknowledge the independence of the United States, and to conclude

treaties with this new power. It is necessary to know beforehand, what

are the instructions of the Commissioners, and whether they are

authorised to negotiate with the Barbary Powers, under the mediation

of France. If Congress has this intention, then I could receive the

orders of the king to give the Commissioners the information necessary

for entering upon a negotiation with the Barbary Powers, and we

should be able to concert effectual measures for succeeding in this

object, without exposing our own interests for those of the United

States. This negotiation will be long and arduous, but I will neglect

nothing to assure its success, if the Congress determine to prosecute

it, and you consider the king pledged to forward it. I shall wait for

your reply before making any overtures.

I have the honor to be, &c.

DE SARTINE.

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TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.

Passy, 22d September, 1778.

Sir,

This will be delivered to you by Mr Jonathan Loring Austin, who was

sent the last year express to France, with the news of the convention

of Saratoga. He has resided chiefly in this kingdom from that time,

and has been employed in the service of the public a part of the time,

and his behavior from first to last has given entire satisfaction to

us. We think it our duty, therefore, to recommend him to Congress as a

gentleman of merit, of ability and diligence in business, zealously

attached to the cause of his country, and of exemplary prudence and

decency.

We have the honor to be, &c.

B. FRANKLIN,

ARTHUR LEE,

JOHN ADAMS.

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E. T. VAN BERCKEL TO M. DUMAS.

Translation.

Amsterdam, September 23d, 1778.

Sir,

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