Mr. HUBERT. And whom I think you have identified as Joyce McDonald.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Whose stage name, shall we say, was what?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Joy Dale.
Mr. HUBERT. What do you know about her?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Just that she is a stripper at the club.
Mr. HUBERT. How long had she been there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. She had been there some--maybe 4 months before the
assassination.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think she came about the middle of the summer, then,
July or August?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Let me see--let’s see--September.
Mr. HUBERT. Mid-September?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do--how do you fix that, Mr. Armstrong?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, it was around the time that Wally left. I don’t
know whether she was there right after Wally left or just before Wally
left.
Mr. HUBERT. Had she ever been there before, do you know?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did she stay after the assassination?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. She left sometime--during the--about 3 weeks in January
of 1964.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean she was there 3 weeks in January and then quit?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know where she lived?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. What salary do those strippers get?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Anywhere from $100 to $125.
Mr. HUBERT. A week?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. A week--some of them made $150--some was $200.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what the relationship was between Joyce
McDonald and Jack Ruby, if any?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Just a business relationship as far as I could see.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she go out to dinner with him?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Did there seem to be any kind of social relationship
between them?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not that I know.
Mr. HUBERT. Did there seem to be any kind of romantic or sexual
relationship between them?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby have any sexual or romantic relationships with any
of the girls in his club?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, I would say he had some, as far as I know romantic
relationships. In other words, he was always on the make.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, coming to Joyce McDonald, do you think she--that he
was on the make with respect to her?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I would not state definitely, but I believe he probably
tried.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she have any boy friends around there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; not that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whom she lived with?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; I sure don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she drive an automobile?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. She didn’t drive.
Mr. HUBERT. How did she get to and from work; do you know?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Usually somebody would bring her to work--I only saw her
downstairs getting out of a car once and some man drove her to work,
and that’s the only time I ever saw her getting out of a car.
Mr. HUBERT. You would usually leave at night before they did, didn’t
you?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the other girl, the one on the right-hand side
of the pictures as you look at them, which have been identified as
series Exhibits 5301-A through 5301-E? I think you have said that the
girls there, the blonde, is “Little” Lynn or Karen Bennett Carlin, is
that correct?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s correct.
Mr. HUBERT. She was married to Bruce Carlin?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes; that’s what they said.
Mr. HUBERT. She was the one, or rather her husband was the one that
Jack didn’t want around the club?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. She was the one, I think, that you called on Friday, the
day of the assassination to tell her that the club would be closed that
night?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And that you could not reach the next day?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, do you know anything about either of these two girls
that you have not testified to so far?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I show you a single picture which I have marked on
here for the purpose of identification as follows: “Dallas, Texas,
April 14, 1964, Exhibit 5302, Deposition of Andrew Armstrong,” and I
have signed my name, and I ask you to look at that picture. It seems to
be the picture of a man, and I ask you whether you can identify that
man or not?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s Rocco, the photographer, that made the
pictures--took the series of pictures at the Carousel Club.
Mr. HUBERT. He was there for a week, you said?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And what period of time was that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. What?
Mr. HUBERT. What period of time was he there--when was that week?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Around the 1st of November.
Mr. HUBERT. From the 1st to the 7th or 8th of November?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Something like that--yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he pay anything for the purpose of taking those
pictures--did--to your knowledge, did he pay anything?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. HUBERT. He got the consent of Mr. Ruby?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I want to show you a series of pictures which have
been marked for identification as follows, to wit:
“Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1904, Exhibit 5303, Deposition of Andrew
Armstrong,” and I have marked my name on each of them, and they are
numbered, in addition to Exhibit No. 5303, of which they form a part
of the series, they are numbered A through I, and I ask you to look at
those pictures, please.
Mr. Armstrong [examined pictures referred to].
Mr. HUBERT. All right, now you have examined the several pictures
constituting Exhibit 5303, marked in a series as A through I, and I
will ask you whether you can recognize anybody in any of these pictures?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Let’s then take Exhibit No. 5303-A, first, and tell me whom
you recognize in that picture?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. This right here--the first picture.
Mr. HUBERT. We are talking about the top picture on the left hand
side--right?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right--is Joy Dale, and the M.C. that’s shown in all
of these pictures, the little man on the stage--give me a minute and
I will try to think of his name, but coming down the line, the second
picture on the left hand side is Tammi True.
Mr. HUBERT. That’s the girl?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s the girl--she is being held up by a very huge
gentleman by the name of--oh--I know his name--his name is Tiny--he
comes in the club quite often and he usually gets the same seat--a
special chair we had there for him.
Mr. HUBERT. This picture appears several times, does it not?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, it appears in the third row of the
left-hand picture?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And it appears in the bottom row of the left-hand picture,
correct?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. How often would that man come to the club?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, he started to coming there back in the
summer--last summer and he was usually there--he very seldom missed a
weekend.
Mr. HUBERT. You knew him only as Tiny?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. As Tiny.
Mr. HUBERT. You never heard his last name?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he friendly with Ruby?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Not friendly--just that--he didn’t well, you could say
they was friendly, but they didn’t know each other, anything about each
other’s backgrounds, or anything like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him talking with him?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, not conversationally.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see them go out together and come back together?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he spend a lot of money there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, a few beers was all.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever see him with anyone else?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. He always came alone?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. One time he came there with a couple other guys, but
just once, otherwise, he was all alone.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know the other men he came with?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t remember when he came in with the other two men?