Mr. HUBERT. Now, let’s not get to Saturday yet.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. OK; I will straighten that out.
Mr. HUBERT. I want to get to that, but right now you want to change
your testimony because your best recollection right now is to the
effect that on Friday when you were talking with Jack it had not been
decided how long the club would be closed?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. But only it would be closed Friday night?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Friday night.
Mr. HUBERT. It might be closed the other nights, but no decision was
made yet?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. That’s your best recollection of it?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s the best recollection of it.
Mr. HUBERT. That is your recollection?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us just for the record as to why you got
confused; have you any notion as to what made you get confused?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, I was getting confused on account of the dates.
In other words, I was thinking that I didn’t--that the next time I
would be at the club would be Sunday, after I hear about the slaying of
Oswald.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that so?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes; I was thinking that would be my next appearance at
the club. In other words, I am trying to think ahead, but then my next
appearance at the club was Saturday, which I talked with Jack, because
I recall Jack fired me that Saturday, but we’ll get to that.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, we will get to that, but we want to keep the dates
straight too, if we can, and the times, but let me say this to you: If
you do make a mistake in time or date, please feel completely free to
come back and correct it, because what we are looking for is the truth.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That’s the reason I’m not giving you any definite time,
because like when I had my interview with Mr. Peggs, definitely--any
definite time, and that was right after the assassination--just a few
days after.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. Anyway, the way we have left it is that you left
at approximately 4:30, having called the girls and told them that the
club would be closed that night?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. And I reached Little Lynn that day.
Mr. HUBERT. You did reach Little Lynn that day?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That day, but the next Saturday, I didn’t; the Saturday,
I didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. So you did call Little Lynn in Fort Worth; is that right?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And told her that the club would be closed Friday?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And told her that--what did you tell her with reference to
Saturday?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I said that we would be closed tonight, and I didn’t say
anything other than that.
Mr. HUBERT. Then, about 4:30 you left?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I left.
Mr. HUBERT. To go home?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I go home.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear from Ruby any more that night?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; I didn’t hear from him.
Mr. HUBERT. Was Larry Crafard at the club when you left?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. He was there when I left.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the nature of the conversation between you and
Larry after Ruby left about 2:30 on that Friday?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. After he left about 2:30?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; you said you and Larry were there between 2:30 and
4:30 when you left?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. You see, Jack left and Larry was walking up and down
the aisle there shaking his head and--well, he was doing nothing--I
would just try to get up and try to finish cleaning up, which I did,
and it didn’t take too much because we had gone through the procedure
of cleaning up while we was listening to the news, and that was from a
Thursday night and we don’t have that many people in there on Thursday
night--Thursday night and Sunday night are bad nights.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you and Larry talk after Ruby left?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I imagine we said a few words to each other; Larry went
out and ate.
Mr. HUBERT. While you were there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did he stay?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, he stayed about 20 minutes, I guess, and when he got
back Jack came back in about 10 minutes later.
Mr. HUBERT. You were still there?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Pardon; I was still there.
Mr. HUBERT. I thought you told me that you had not seen Jack any more
that day?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Well, I’m still thinking that--I’m still thinking when I
had not seen Jack on Friday--when I left, I left Jack and Larry in the
club.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, we have to revise this, because I want you to
get your best recollection in here.
Mr. ARMSTRONG. You see, this is the reason why I know; I had some
boards and some bricks to carry home, and I made a phone call to a
brick company over on McKinney and told the fellow if he would bring my
bricks over to my house--he said, “Yes”--it was 25 bricks, these boards
and bricks for me to build a corner shelf, and I had painted the boards
in the club and I remember Jack asked me what was I going to do with
those boards and I told him the layout of what I had planned on and he
said it was very nice, and I wrapped them in newspaper and I left the
club.
Mr. HUBERT. That was at 4:30; is that the time?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. That was about 4:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, let’s get it straight; Jack left about an hour and 5
minutes after the time he first came in; right?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And you left about 2 hours after that?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. So, you left approximately, as we have reconstructed it as
we went along, about 4:30?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. But you said that Jack came in again before you left?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Before I left; just a little before I left.
Mr. HUBERT. Which would have been about 4 you think, or 4:15?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, what was his condition at that time?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Still in the same--he wasn’t crying any more, but he
was still sad and speaking about the assassination and things of that
nature and saying a few other things about the club and asked me had I
contacted everyone, and I told him, “Yes.”
Mr. HUBERT. What other things about the club was he talking about?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Oh, just about--there was certain things to cut out and
certain lights to cut off and was the box unplugged; the things that I
always take care of: he always asked about it later.
Mr. HUBERT. Were there any phone calls?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I don’t recall.
Mr. HUBERT. At that time, during the second visit?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; I don’t recall any more.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear him talking to Larry?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No; he did ask Larry about a certain phone number,
someone’s phone number that he had Larry to put down in a book.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember whose phone number that was?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No, I sure don’t--it was a business phone number--some
business.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he make a call?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I don’t remember him making a call.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the business?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. I think it was the people that printed up the
stationery--I’m not sure, but I think that’s who he was calling.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t hear that call?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, when you left it was about 4:30?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And you left Ruby and Larry at the club?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And you went home and went to bed--on about your business
and didn’t hear from Jack until the next day?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. As I understand it, you never saw Larry afterward?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. Right. He left a key at the garage downstairs.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you first find out about that?