Mr. HUBERT. Your thought is that when you saw Ruby the first time----

Mr. WALKER. Was after 10:30.

Mr. HUBERT. Was after the armored truck was backed in?

Mr. WALKER. It was after I was on a standby basis and sitting in my

seat in the truck just waiting for somebody to roll tape.

Mr. HUBERT. What does the standby basis mean in the TV industry?

Mr. WALKER. It means to stand by to go on the air any time on call at a

moment’s notice, because we had been told he would be moved after 10:30.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any distinct recollection that the first time

you saw him was after the armored truck was moved in?

Mr. WALKER. I don’t believe the armored truck was backed in until after

10:30.

Mr. HUBERT. So as I understand it then, with respect to the language in

Exhibit 5315, there are really two corrections that you wish to make.

One is concerning the time 7:30 to 8, and the other is concerning the

relation between your seeing Ruby and the truck backing into the ramp?

Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Your thought, then, as I understand, is that it was

considerably later than 7:30 or 8 o’clock, in fact, it was about 10:30?

Mr. WALKER. Or after.

Mr. HUBERT. Or after, but you think that it was before the armored

truck backed in?

Mr. WALKER. I don’t know.

Mr. HUBERT. It could be either?

Mr. WALKER. It could be either; yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You did see him twice, though?

Mr. WALKER. I did see him at the window twice.

Mr. HUBERT. It is possible that the first time you saw him, the armored

truck had not backed in and the second time it had?

Mr. WALKER. It is possible; yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Would your best guess be, considering--well, I don’t want

you to guess. Would your best impression or opinion now be that the

time that you first saw Ruby was less than an hour before the shooting

of Oswald took place?

Mr. WALKER. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And that thereafter, the time that you saw him on the

second time would have been less than an hour, too?

Mr. WALKER. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You do not have any recollection now, as I understand, as

to the time interval between the two times you saw him?

Mr. WALKER. No, sir; I don’t know.

Mr. HUBERT. I think you have said that--perhaps we should repeat what

he told you on each occasion or what he said or asked?

Mr. WALKER. As near as I can remember, he just asked, “Has he been

brought down?” or “Have they brought him down yet?”

Mr. HUBERT. On both occasions?

Mr. WALKER. Yes; and I am not sure, I probably told him “I don’t know.”

It says here that I said, “No.” But I have no way of knowing yes or

no, really, which is true. We had cameras, and I could see what the

cameramen were doing, but I still really have no way of knowing.

Mr. HUBERT. Perhaps you’d better describe for the record what you meant

by mug shots?

Mr. WALKER. Well, as I understand it, from listening on the intercom,

we were told we were going to get pictures of Jack Ruby and that we

would have to get them right away because our people did not have the

pictures and would not be allowed to have them, and I assumed that

someone from the police department would be holding those pictures,

because they--we were told to get the tapes to rolling, because we

wouldn’t get a second shot at him. And it would just be, get them or

miss them, and I presume that someone in the police department was

holding those pictures.

Mr. HUBERT. In front of a camera inside the jail?

Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. It was that mug shot that you remembered talking about that

immediately brought to your mind “this is the man I saw just before the

shooting of Oswald, or sometime before the shooting”?

Mr. WALKER. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Now have you been interviewed by any member of the

President’s Commission before this date, sir?

Mr. WALKER. No; only there were some FBI men came to the station, and I

believe they are the men you mentioned here.

Mr. HUBERT. I meant members of the President’s Commission?

Mr. WALKER. No, sir; not to my knowledge.

Mr. HUBERT. I have omitted to explore one area. You were called as a

witness in the trial of Ruby?

Mr. WALKER. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall the general nature of your testimony then?

Mr. WALKER. To state the same thing that I have here, that Jack Ruby

came to the window of the truck.

Mr. HUBERT. You were called by the State?

Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. To the best of your recollection, has your testimony today

been any different from that which you gave at the trial of Ruby?

Mr. WALKER. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Has there been anything omitted here that was brought out

in the trial of Ruby when you were a witness?

Mr. WALKER. No; in fact, it has been covered much better. The State

didn’t bring out the fact that we saw mug shots, and the defense kind

of tore me up on that.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, when the defense tore you up, I suppose what they

were trying to do is say you simply couldn’t recall?

Mr. WALKER. They asked me how long I had known Ruby, which I did not

know him, and they were trying to----

Mr. HUBERT. Did you give the explanation as to the mug shots?

Mr. WALKER. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. HUBERT. But it is a fact that the mug shots, that your connection

between the mug shots did in fact take place?

Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir; that is the only real tie, is the fact that we

had the mug shots. I probably wouldn’t have remembered the man coming

to the window if it hadn’t been for the mug shots. I told District

Attorney Wade that before I went in as a witness, but he didn’t follow

it up.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, to wrap it up, you are saying under oath now that

the man at the window and the man in the mug shots and the man in the

courtroom identified as Jack Ruby were one and the same person?

Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You have already testified that you recall the interview of

you on December 4, by FBI Agents Earle Haley and Robley Madland. At the

time you were interviewed, were you interviewed by those agents alone?

Mr. WALKER. No.

Mr. HUBERT. How did the interview take place?

Mr. WALKER. The two agents, myself, Warren Richey, Johnny Smith, and

there might have been some others, Jimmy Turner was there part of the

time--of course, he introduced us to the FBI men, and I think he had

already talked to him previously.

Mr. HUBERT. All of you were interviewed as a group rather than

individually, is that right?

Mr. WALKER. That’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you shown a copy of the notes relative to what your

statements were?

Mr. WALKER. No; I have seen no notes.

Mr. HUBERT. You have never seen any draft of the documents which have

been identified as Exhibit 5315?

Mr. WALKER. Today is the first time I have ever seen that.

Mr. HUBERT. During the interview, did the FBI agents ask each of you to

speak alone, or was it a composite sort of interview?

Mr. WALKER. It was composite. We spoke as we remembered the situation.

I mean, everybody described the whole thing as it progressed along as

best he could.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what the FBI did by way of segregating the

identification of each of you?

Mr. WALKER. No, sir; I don’t know.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you anything else to say?

Mr. WALKER. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, thank you very much.

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