Mr. WALKER. Was after 10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Was after the armored truck was backed in?
Mr. WALKER. It was after I was on a standby basis and sitting in my
seat in the truck just waiting for somebody to roll tape.
Mr. HUBERT. What does the standby basis mean in the TV industry?
Mr. WALKER. It means to stand by to go on the air any time on call at a
moment’s notice, because we had been told he would be moved after 10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any distinct recollection that the first time
you saw him was after the armored truck was moved in?
Mr. WALKER. I don’t believe the armored truck was backed in until after
10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. So as I understand it then, with respect to the language in
Exhibit 5315, there are really two corrections that you wish to make.
One is concerning the time 7:30 to 8, and the other is concerning the
relation between your seeing Ruby and the truck backing into the ramp?
Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Your thought, then, as I understand, is that it was
considerably later than 7:30 or 8 o’clock, in fact, it was about 10:30?
Mr. WALKER. Or after.
Mr. HUBERT. Or after, but you think that it was before the armored
truck backed in?
Mr. WALKER. I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. It could be either?
Mr. WALKER. It could be either; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You did see him twice, though?
Mr. WALKER. I did see him at the window twice.
Mr. HUBERT. It is possible that the first time you saw him, the armored
truck had not backed in and the second time it had?
Mr. WALKER. It is possible; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Would your best guess be, considering--well, I don’t want
you to guess. Would your best impression or opinion now be that the
time that you first saw Ruby was less than an hour before the shooting
of Oswald took place?
Mr. WALKER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And that thereafter, the time that you saw him on the
second time would have been less than an hour, too?
Mr. WALKER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You do not have any recollection now, as I understand, as
to the time interval between the two times you saw him?
Mr. WALKER. No, sir; I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you have said that--perhaps we should repeat what
he told you on each occasion or what he said or asked?
Mr. WALKER. As near as I can remember, he just asked, “Has he been
brought down?” or “Have they brought him down yet?”
Mr. HUBERT. On both occasions?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; and I am not sure, I probably told him “I don’t know.”
It says here that I said, “No.” But I have no way of knowing yes or
no, really, which is true. We had cameras, and I could see what the
cameramen were doing, but I still really have no way of knowing.
Mr. HUBERT. Perhaps you’d better describe for the record what you meant
by mug shots?
Mr. WALKER. Well, as I understand it, from listening on the intercom,
we were told we were going to get pictures of Jack Ruby and that we
would have to get them right away because our people did not have the
pictures and would not be allowed to have them, and I assumed that
someone from the police department would be holding those pictures,
because they--we were told to get the tapes to rolling, because we
wouldn’t get a second shot at him. And it would just be, get them or
miss them, and I presume that someone in the police department was
holding those pictures.
Mr. HUBERT. In front of a camera inside the jail?
Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. It was that mug shot that you remembered talking about that
immediately brought to your mind “this is the man I saw just before the
shooting of Oswald, or sometime before the shooting”?
Mr. WALKER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now have you been interviewed by any member of the
President’s Commission before this date, sir?
Mr. WALKER. No; only there were some FBI men came to the station, and I
believe they are the men you mentioned here.
Mr. HUBERT. I meant members of the President’s Commission?
Mr. WALKER. No, sir; not to my knowledge.
Mr. HUBERT. I have omitted to explore one area. You were called as a
witness in the trial of Ruby?
Mr. WALKER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall the general nature of your testimony then?
Mr. WALKER. To state the same thing that I have here, that Jack Ruby
came to the window of the truck.
Mr. HUBERT. You were called by the State?
Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. To the best of your recollection, has your testimony today
been any different from that which you gave at the trial of Ruby?
Mr. WALKER. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Has there been anything omitted here that was brought out
in the trial of Ruby when you were a witness?
Mr. WALKER. No; in fact, it has been covered much better. The State
didn’t bring out the fact that we saw mug shots, and the defense kind
of tore me up on that.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, when the defense tore you up, I suppose what they
were trying to do is say you simply couldn’t recall?
Mr. WALKER. They asked me how long I had known Ruby, which I did not
know him, and they were trying to----
Mr. HUBERT. Did you give the explanation as to the mug shots?
Mr. WALKER. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. HUBERT. But it is a fact that the mug shots, that your connection
between the mug shots did in fact take place?
Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir; that is the only real tie, is the fact that we
had the mug shots. I probably wouldn’t have remembered the man coming
to the window if it hadn’t been for the mug shots. I told District
Attorney Wade that before I went in as a witness, but he didn’t follow
it up.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, to wrap it up, you are saying under oath now that
the man at the window and the man in the mug shots and the man in the
courtroom identified as Jack Ruby were one and the same person?
Mr. WALKER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You have already testified that you recall the interview of
you on December 4, by FBI Agents Earle Haley and Robley Madland. At the
time you were interviewed, were you interviewed by those agents alone?
Mr. WALKER. No.
Mr. HUBERT. How did the interview take place?
Mr. WALKER. The two agents, myself, Warren Richey, Johnny Smith, and
there might have been some others, Jimmy Turner was there part of the
time--of course, he introduced us to the FBI men, and I think he had
already talked to him previously.
Mr. HUBERT. All of you were interviewed as a group rather than
individually, is that right?
Mr. WALKER. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you shown a copy of the notes relative to what your
statements were?
Mr. WALKER. No; I have seen no notes.
Mr. HUBERT. You have never seen any draft of the documents which have
been identified as Exhibit 5315?
Mr. WALKER. Today is the first time I have ever seen that.
Mr. HUBERT. During the interview, did the FBI agents ask each of you to
speak alone, or was it a composite sort of interview?
Mr. WALKER. It was composite. We spoke as we remembered the situation.
I mean, everybody described the whole thing as it progressed along as
best he could.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what the FBI did by way of segregating the
identification of each of you?
Mr. WALKER. No, sir; I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you anything else to say?
Mr. WALKER. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, thank you very much.