Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you got there----

Mr. SMART. Being on a parking lot, you know, naturally, I didn’t think.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a dog in that car?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was the dog when you got to the car?

Mr. SMART. The dog had crawled under a newspaper in the front seat.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And what did you do with the dog when you got in?

Mr. SMART. We had the squad come by and get it and take it to the

animal shelter.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there anybody else that accompanied you out to that

automobile?

Mr. SMART. Lieutenant Swain.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And that is all?

Mr. SMART. Well, we called the uniformed squad there a little bit later

and had the car put in the pound. It seems to me like there was one

more detective. I don’t remember. I believe it was Detective Watson. I

am not sure.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the first thing you searched?

Mr. SMART. The glove compartment.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And I understand that you found his wallet in the glove

compartment?

Mr. SMART. Right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And a key to fit the trunk?

Mr. SMART. Right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you ever find out whether Ruby had a wallet on

his person?

Mr. SMART. No, sir; I never did.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever make any inquiry?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you talk with Ruby about any of the equipment

which you found in the automobile?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. About the property which you found in the automobile?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Lieutenant Swain?

Mr. SMART. No, sir; not in my presence.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Or that you know of?

Mr. SMART. Not that I know of.

Mr. GRIFFIN. In the normal procedure, who would be the person who would

question him about that property?

Mr. SMART. Well, I would think it would be Captain Fritz.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Did you examine this billfold?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you tell us what you recall being in that billfold?

Mr. SMART. His driver’s license and several cards of identification

like you would normally carry in a billfold, but I don’t remember each

one, what they were or anything. Different cards with his name on it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Social security card?

Mr. SMART. I believe his social security card was there. I am not sure.

There was just stuff--cards and papers.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Do you think you would be able to identify that

wallet and contents?

Mr. SMART. I think so.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember anything else in there besides

identification cards in the wallet?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there any money in the wallet?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what else did you find in the glove compartment?

Mr. SMART. A key.

Mr. GRIFFIN. A single key?

Mr. SMART. A single key.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this--where was this?

Mr. SMART. Just laying in the floor of the glove compartment.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it under some papers or anything like that?

Mr. SMART. No, sir; wasn’t much stuff in the glove compartment.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there anything else in the glove compartment besides

the key and the wallet?

Mr. SMART. I remember looking, but I remember there was nothing of

importance that would have any bearing on anything. There was something

there, not much, though.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was the key on top and exposed?

Mr. SMART. No. The billfold was on top and the key was laying over on

the side.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see.

Mr. SMART. Just a lone key, a General Motors key.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Did it appear there had been any effort to conceal

it?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after you searched the glove compartment, what did

you do? What did you search after the glove compartment?

Mr. SMART. Well, I sat down in the front seat to try this key, and

I put my hand down on these papers, and that is when I felt the

dog. The dog raised up. It didn’t fit the ignition keys, I mean the

ignition switch, so I knew it was a General Motors key, and I owned an

Oldsmobile, and it looked like it might be a trunk key, and I tried it,

and it worked.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, up to this point, you hadn’t searched the interior of

the car, nothing but the glove compartment?

Mr. SMART. No, sir; nothing but just look over.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you took this key, you were able to open the

trunk, weren’t you?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you see when you opened that trunk?

Mr. SMART. Well, some paper bags and some bank sacks, maybe one bank

sack, and just full of junk, almost full of junk, except there was a

set of keys laying right down in the open.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, was this a set of keys?

Mr. SMART. Well, it was a bunch of keys.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were they on a ring?

Mr. SMART. A ring or something to hold them together; I don’t remember.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How many keys would you say were on this?

Mr. SMART. Oh, roughly four or five.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, were there any keys that looked like they might be

keys to a house or door?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And how many keys on there appeared that they would be

automobile keys?

Mr. SMART. I don’t remember now. I can tell that the other key, you

know, they were shaped a little different, one of them was the ignition

key, and I tried it, and it worked.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, if you were to see these keys, do you think that you

would recognize them?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir; I think so.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you see the keys in the car, in the trunk of the

car?

Mr. SMART. Laying right in the floorboard of the trunk.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Near the front?

Mr. SMART. Near the front.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Exposed to view?

Mr. SMART. Right.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were they in relationship to the paper sacks and the

money bags?

Mr. SMART. To the right. The paper bags were more in the back. He had

two or three boxes of pictures of girls, and things like that, that we

just thumbed through, maybe stacks of them that high, a lot of cards

to his club. That was mostly what the stuff was in the trunk.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, if these keys were placed where you found them and

one had been driving that car, would the motion--were they placed in

such a way that the motion of the car or bumps and whatnot would move

these about?

Mr. SMART. I would think they would probably have scooted under papers

or something, would have been my guess, possibly.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, is there anything that you saw or that you have

learned that would indicate to you how long those keys might have been

in the back of that trunk prior to the time that you opened it?

Mr. SMART. You want my thought?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; I do.

Mr. SMART. My thought, when I found things like they were, that Jack

Ruby had purposely put his billfold in the glove compartment and

purposely put his keys in the trunk compartment and locked it up and

purposely left his trunk key in the glove compartment so he could get

to it. That was my thought. I wondered why he left his billfold with

all of his identification in it in his glove compartment.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I would like to have your opinion as a trained

investigator, anything else that led you to believe this or why, other

than simply the placement that we have just discussed, that would have

led you to think that he had done what you mentioned?

Mr. SMART. Because, when he left the car on the lot, there was no

attendant there, I guess was the main reason. He parked it in an odd

place and up on an incline deal on the lot.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How was it an odd place?

Mr. SMART. Well, the lot is kind of uneven, and it was pretty close out

to the center of the lot. It was where an old building had been torn

down and left some concrete in one place, you know, like this.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; would you--I am going to interrupt this just one

second here while I get this exhibit marked, and I am going to ask you,

while I mark this exhibit, would you draw on this piece of paper the

intersection there, the intersection of Commerce, Main and Pearl, and

then would you draw the parking lot where Ruby’s car was found?

Mr. SMART. These are two parking lots. They are all together but

separately operated.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you put the two streets in there so we would know

which is Main and which is Pearl? Now, which is Commerce?

Mr. SMART. This is south.

Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, now. Let me ask you. Start over again here on

another sheet of paper. I want to get more detail on here.

Mr. SMART. Oh, I see.

Mr. GRIFFIN. It would probably he easiest if you would draw the block,

Commerce, Harwood, Pearl and Main, and indicate the location of the

police department, the Western Union office and the parking lots on the

corner of Main and Pearl, and then show us which parking lot Jack’s car

was in.

Mr. SMART. I am not a very good artist, now.

Mr. GRIFFIN. That is okay. Is that the parking lot?

Mr. SMART. Uh-huh.

Mr. GRIFFIN. All right.

Mr. SMART. Roughly about there.

Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, we will go on the record. Now, you have

drawn a diagram here, which I am going to mark, “Dallas, Texas,

Lieutenant Smart, 3-25-64, Exhibit 5023,” and that appears to be a

diagram of the intersection of Main and Pearl with the Western Union

marked and parking lot designated on the northwest corner of Main and

Pearl and an automobile marked out there. Is that pencil mark of an

automobile your best estimate of where you found Ruby’s car?

Mr. SMART. That is approximately about where the car was parked.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any other cars in the parking lot at that time?

Mr. SMART. At that time, the parking lot had opened officially; there

were a few more cars; I don’t recall where they were--and an attendant

there.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Were there any other cars parked next to Ruby’s car?

Mr. SMART. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Other than--did you mention the location of these keys and

the billfold to anybody?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you mention that to?

Mr. SMART. Homicide detectives.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember any particular one?

Mr. SMART. There was two of them. I think it was Montgomery and his

partner. I am not sure. There is some new men in there that I don’t

know too well. We brought all of that stuff in there, showed Captain

Fritz what we had. He said, “Turn it over to them.”

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you write any report in connection with this search to

the police department?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So there is no written report in the police department of

what you just told me?

Mr. SMART. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would it be customary for anybody in the police department

to have written a report of what you told them?

Mr. SMART. It could be. I gave all of my information to the homicide

boys, because they were handling the case, turned the money over to

them, the keys, and turned everything over to them.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you do this favor to me? Inquire of Captain Fritz,

inquire and find out, if there is a report of what you told them, and,

if so, give us a copy of it so we could have it for our file?

Mr. SMART. Sure.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you also find in the automobile some radio

scripts or something that had to do--well, do you recall finding

anything that appeared to be radio scripts or political propaganda

materials?

Mr. SMART. No, sir; I tell you, Mr. Griffin. I was instructed to go

over there and get the money--it seemed like that is what he was

worried about, his money--and bring it over and put it in the property

room or have it put into the property room, and when I ran into the

billfold and the keys, I thought they should be over there, too, and

I told the homicide officers they should go back and make a thorough

check of the trunk and also that there might be some pertinent

information that they wanted, and I understood that they did. What they

found, now, I don’t know. I think that the FBI went, too, but I never

did go back and search anything else.

Mr. GRIFFIN. So you removed the billfold and the keys and the money?

Mr. SMART. Yes, sir; and a sack of miscellaneous stuff and the papers

that were in the front seat pertaining to the assassination. I thought

that might have some bearing. He had about four or five current----

Mr. GRIFFIN. Newspapers?

Mr. SMART. With the spreads on the front, newspapers.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did they appear to be complete copies of a newspaper or

were articles cut out?

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