Mr. HUBERT. But you think that the very last time that you saw him----

Mr. RICHEY. Was around 10 o’clock.

Mr. HUBERT. What fixes 10 in your mind?

Mr. RICHEY. Like I say, it was about the time they were expecting them

to bring Oswald down in the building. That was when the chief of police

told us they would be bringing him out, and we were looking for him,

because I was up there on a camera, with a camera on the ramp.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you gotten any kind of alert standby?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir. There was no alert of any kind. It was just the

time that they had given us the night before, actually.

Mr. HUBERT. Anyhow, you say that your recollection is that the last

time you saw him, which was when you saw him beyond the Commerce Street

ramp, was approximately an hour or a little better from the actual

shooting?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. That is the last time you remember seeing him?

Mr. RICHEY. That was the end of it.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem at that time to be walking away from your truck?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; he was standing.

Mr. HUBERT. He was just standing?

Mr. RICHEY. He was standing.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you see any police near him?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; not near him. They had one policeman out on the

ramp.

Mr. HUBERT. But when you saw him, it was after all the crowd had been

moved over?

Mr. RICHEY. They were across the street.

Mr. HUBERT. From the side of the street where your truck was, to the

opposite side of Commerce Street?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Were there many other people like this man walking around

in that area?

Mr. RICHEY. There was just occasionally newsmen, because they were

congregating in the basement and they would come by.

Mr. HUBERT. But this man whom you have identified as Jack Ruby; did he

have any kind of paper or press badge which you observed in the nature

of a press badge?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; not that I saw, because there was a lot of newsmen

that didn’t have passes. Some of our crew didn’t even have passes, WBAP.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember when the armored truck pulled in there?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Was that before or after the last time you saw the man you

have identified as Jack Ruby?

Mr. RICHEY. I believe that was the--I believe the armored truck pulled

in after I saw him the last time, because there was one pulled in and

backed in, and the other one parked on the street.

Mr. HUBERT. You think that the last time you saw Ruby was before?

Mr. RICHEY. Before any of that happened?

Mr. HUBERT. Before any of that happened.

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir; I believe it was.

Mr. HUBERT. All right; Mr. Richey, have you been interviewed by any

member of the President’s Commission prior to this occasion?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you anything else to say in any way?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; I don’t know of anything.

Mr. HUBERT. I think you said that you really didn’t hear Ruby say

anything?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. I notice that this statement which has been identified as

5316--let me ask you: You were interviewed by the FBI?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir; that was 2 or 3 days, I believe, after.

Mr. HUBERT. You were interviewed at the same time as Mr. Walker and Mr.

Smith?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes; and there were some others.

Mr. HUBERT. Was that an individual interview?

Mr. RICHEY. Not in our case. We were all together in the studio of WBAP.

Mr. HUBERT. You weren’t taken aside separately and individually?

Mr. RICHEY. Not when the FBI talked to us.

Mr. HUBERT. Each of you gave your story and the FBI agents made notes?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever ask you to check the notes or any draft?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; I have never heard or seen them since.

Mr. HUBERT. You were on duty with the truck during the day of Saturday,

November 23?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Would it be possible that the man you saw and identified as

Jack Ruby would have been seen by you on the 23d rather than the 24th?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; I don’t recall seeing anyone that even looked like

him on the 23d. That one morning is the only morning that I recall

seeing anyone that even looked like him.

Mr. HUBERT. On the 24th, I think you testified the crowd had been moved

over on the other side of the street?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Had that been done on the 23d?

Mr. RICHEY. No, sir; no one bothered. There weren’t too many around

on the 23d. Mostly newsmen was all that was around on the 23d. There

wasn’t any crowd, really, but they started congregating on Sunday

morning on both sides of the ramp.

Mr. HUBERT. It was after they had begun to congregate that you saw this

man you have identified as Jack Ruby?

Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir; and then they moved the other people across, and

I still saw him after they moved the other people across the street.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, sir. Thank you very much.

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