Mr. HUBERT. Do you solemnly swear that you will testify the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Please state your full name.
Mr. REEVES. Huey Moses Reeves.
Mr. HUBERT. Your age?
Mr. REEVES. Age--I was born April 7, 1912.
Mr. HUBERT. Where do you live?
Mr. REEVES. I live at 2903 Reynolds Avenue, Dallas, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your present occupation?
Mr. REEVES. Allright Auto Park. I am a night boss, night foreman for
Allright Systems.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is that located?
Mr. REEVES. It’s on Commerce.
Mr. HUBERT. What is the number?
Mr. REEVES. 1208, but I was at 1320, but they changed me to 1208.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the same company?
Mr. REEVES. That’s the same company; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. On November 23d, which was a Saturday, where were you
working?
Mr. REEVES. Let me see; November 23d, I was working at 1320 Commerce.
Mr. HUBERT. That’s Nichols Garage?
Mr. REEVES. Yes--Nichols Garage.
Mr. HUBERT. What job did you have over there?
Mr. REEVES. I was same--nightman working all night at Nichols Bros.,
the same as at the other place.
Mr. HUBERT. What were your hours?
Mr. REEVES. I worked from 7 to 7.
Mr. HUBERT. And on November 23, which was Saturday, you worked from 7
o’clock Saturday night until 7 o’clock Sunday morning?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a nightclub called the Carousel Club?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; it’s right next to where I work.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Jack Ruby?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you come to know him?
Mr. REEVES. Well, he parked in my place all the time. He was a regular
parker, you see, and Nichols Bros. is right there and his club was next
to my parking place. He would just drive in and park and go up in his
place.
Mr. HUBERT. How long have you known him?
Mr. REEVES. Ever since I have been working there--I don’t know just how
long--probably a year and a half--I wouldn’t say--I don’t know just how
long--probably a year and a half--I wouldn’t say for sure--but to the
best of my knowledge.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him every day?
Mr. REEVES. Every night.
Mr. HUBERT. Every night?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a lady by the name of Karen Bennett--they call
her Little Lynn?
Mr. REEVES. Is she a young girl?
Mr. HUBERT. Well, I don’t know her age--she is--I would suppose a young
girl.
Mr. REEVES. There’s so many girls--now, if she works up there for Jack
Ruby, I know them when I see them, but their names, it seems to me like
that little Bennett girl may have been the one that fainted one night.
Mr. HUBERT. Down in Ruby’s place?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; in our lobby room. She came out of Jack Ruby’s
place.
Mr. HUBERT. When was that?
Mr. REEVES. It was before Jack Ruby done that--before.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; but how long before?
Mr. REEVES. Oh, it was probably a month or two--I wouldn’t know for
sure, because I wasn’t keeping up with the dates, you know. I guess
they told me her name--she’s from Fort Worth, I believe. There are so
many girls work up there for him. A lot of them park down in the place
there but I just remember them--the face, but not the name.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember getting a phone call from Jack Ruby on the
night of Saturday, November 23?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, sir; I guess it’s that same girl--he called me to give
$5 to her, I believe.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time was it; do you remember?
Mr. REEVES. Probably 9 o’clock, something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, tell us exactly what happened about that?
Mr. REEVES. Well, she called Jack over the phone and wanted some money
and Jack said, “Well, I can’t come down right now.”
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know what he said?
Mr. REEVES. Well, that’s what he told me to do.
Mr. HUBERT. Who told you to do that? He told you to do that?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Just tell us what she said and what you could hear her say
over the phone?
Mr. REEVES. Well, I don’t remember her saying anything.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she call from your place?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, well, you see my office phone is in this office and
she was in the next phone--the pay phone.
Mr. HUBERT. I see.
Mr. REEVES. And then--let me see, now, I believe she called Jack to
borrow some money and then Jack called me.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, how do you know that she called him to borrow some
money. Did she tell you so or did you overhear this?
Mr. REEVES. He talked to me.
Mr. HUBERT. When she was making the call on the telephone, you didn’t
know who she was calling?
Mr. REEVES. No.
Mr. HUBERT. But you do know she made a phone call?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And after the phone call did she tell you anything?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; she didn’t say anything--Jack told me.
Mr. HUBERT. Wait a minute, she didn’t say anything to you after she
made the phone call?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t know who she was calling?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Was she with anybody?
Mr. REEVES. I don’t remember whether her husband was with her or not.
Let’s see, I didn’t think about having to go through this--I don’t just
remember whether her husband--it seems to me like her husband was with
her.
Mr. HUBERT. Was there a man with her?
Mr. REEVES. There was a man with her, and I think it was her husband.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you introduced to her?
Mr. REEVES. No; I wasn’t introduced to her--I seen the boy claiming to
be her husband--he’s parked in there when she worked up there--he would
get out of the car, you know, never did ask anybody their names. I just
run the parking lot. I think her husband’s name is Bruce. I’ve heard
some of them call him Bruce.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what his last name is?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. What happened after that?
Mr. REEVES. Jack told me to let her have $5.
Mr. HUBERT. You said Jack told you that?
Mr. REEVES. He said this--correct.
Mr. HUBERT. Did she come over into your office?
Mr. REEVES. She was already on the phone, I believe, or he may have
called me--I don’t remember whether I called or she had phoned, and
anyway he said to let her have $5, and now, I think, he said he would
bring me down the money and make her sign a receipt, which I did.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t know whether or not you just got on the same
phone she was talking on or whether Ruby called you separately; is that
right?
Mr. REEVES. I don’t remember--it seems to me like he called me
separately on my phone. You see, this is a little distance--he would
call me after he would get home and tell me to go see if he locked his
door in the club--he thought he might have left it open.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he say when he called again?
Mr. REEVES. To take this $5 and let the girl--I can’t think of her
name--but let the girl have the $5 and have the girl sign a receipt and
I did, and he came and gave me the $5 and he picked up the receipt.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know you were talking to Jack Ruby?
Mr. REEVES. Yes--well, I knew his voice.
Mr. HUBERT. You have talked to him on the phone?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; lots of time.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, you thought it was Jack Ruby, now, did he tell
you--he said he was Jack Ruby?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You have no doubt you were speaking to Jack Ruby?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; no doubt but what it was him at all--no.
Mr. HUBERT. That was the extent of your conversation?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, just the $5--let her have $5 because he wasn’t ready
to come down, and I let her have the $5 and made her sign her name,
just like he said, and he got in a little bit later and gave me $5 and
took the receipt.
Mr. HUBERT. What kind of a receipt was it?
Mr. REEVES. Just a little piece of paper.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you date it?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; I believe I did.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember whether you put a time stamp on it or not?
Mr. REEVES. I don’t believe I did--I don’t think so.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have a timeclock there?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You just slip in a piece of paper and it automatically
notes the time of day?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, just a piece of paper you put in there, and it stamps
the time on it, but I don’t remember whether I did it or not on
this--it was a piece of paper.
Mr. HUBERT. She signed it?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, she signed her name.
Mr. HUBERT. And, this was the receipt--do you remember what it said?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I believe I just said “Received $5--by Jack Ruby”
or “Received $5” and let her put her name--I don’t remember whether I
put Jack Ruby’s name upon that or not.
Mr. HUBERT. And that’s the record of it?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, that’s the record.
Mr. HUBERT. What time was that?
Mr. REEVES. It was probably about 9 or 9:30--I don’t remember exactly.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said a moment ago that sometime after that Ruby
came in?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, he came in--it was probably 30 minutes or an hour or
something like that; I don’t remember.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, tell us what happened then?
Mr. REEVES. Well, he just came in and says, “Here’s your $5,” and he
never did anything about the receipt and I handed him the receipt, just
like I said.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he do with the receipt?
Mr. REEVES. I imagine he put it in his pocket.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t see him put it in his pocket?
Mr. REEVES. No, I didn’t see him--I wasn’t paying any attention.
Mr. HUBERT. What was his condition when he came in that night?
Mr. REEVES. Not paying no attention to Jack Ruby--I didn’t pay him
attention--no attention to him, walking around in my place or coming
into my office then--I was busy and didn’t pay no attention to him. You
know, he’s in there all the time parking his car, and when he come out
of his club lots of times he would walk around and into the office and
talk to them that way, and he would say a few words, and if he went out
for sandwiches he would always ask us if we needed any sandwiches or
drinks or anything like that. He was an awful nice fellow--awful nice.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice whether he seemed to be crying or upset
about anything that night?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I didn’t--I didn’t pay any attention to him, but
he seemed like--too, you see, I was in the office now, and the guy’s
lounge was back in here.
Mr. HUBERT. Whose lounge--what lounge?
Mr. REEVES. The lounge in the office, and then the Saturday morning, it
seemed like, too, he would go back in the waiting room and prance--walk
around more than usual, but he always did walk around--he had hard
heels on, and you could hear him walking when he would come out of
his club. I would be sitting in the office, maybe figuring up my back
receipts, and I would hear him tapping those heels and I would say,
“It’s Jack Ruby, because he is coming out of his club.”
Mr. HUBERT. You say this night he was walking a little bit more than
usual?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; it seemed like he was a little bit more restless.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you talk to him?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I didn’t pay any attention--I never thought much
about it, you know.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you tell whether he was crying?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I really didn’t pay any attention to him.
Mr. HUBERT. The only thing you noticed about his general conduct that
night that was different from other nights was that he seemed to be
walking around a little bit more?
Mr. REEVES. It seemed like he was a little bit more restless or
something, and I believe that night, too, he had his club closed. I
believe that sign--I believe he had a sign, if I remember, I really
wasn’t interested in his club. I had a pretty good job working for
Allright--it’s a pretty busy place, but it seemed to me like he had it
closed. I believe he did.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you talked to Ruby earlier that day or seen him?
Mr. REEVES. Let’s see, I came to work at 7; it seemed to me like that
Ruby was there when I got there. It seemed like he drove up and then
he left and then came back, it seemed like, and that’s when he must
have went home and this girl called him and then he was at home and he
wasn’t ready yet. It seemed like he told me he was waiting on a call
or something from somebody or something and he told the girl he wasn’t
ready to come down, or he told me he wasn’t ready to give her the $5,
you see, and he told me to give her the $5 and to make out a receipt.
Mr. HUBERT. And have you to give it to her?
Mr. REEVES. I had given her the $5 for him and I knew it was good
because he always paid me back if he owed me any parking--he always
paid it.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever paid any employees money like that?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; that there was the only one.
Mr. HUBERT. While you were on the phone with him, did he tell you that
he was at home?
Mr. REEVES. Let’s see, I don’t believe he said where he was. He just
said he had an appointment or had a caller.
Mr. HUBERT. But you didn’t call him?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Either he called you or you got on the phone?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When the girl had been talking to him?
Mr. REEVES. Or he called me, you know, I don’t remember just exactly.
Mr. HUBERT. But you are certain he didn’t tell you he was at home?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; he didn’t say where he was.
Mr. HUBERT. You did get the impression that he was?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; that’s right, just my impression he was at home.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what that impression is based on?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Is it on anything he said?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; he didn’t say anything about where he was.
Mr. HUBERT. But he did say he couldn’t come because he was waiting for
a call?
Mr. REEVES. He was either waiting for a call or wasn’t ready or
something to come down, I believe is what he said.
Mr. HUBERT. What time did he leave, you say, just about the time you
came on?
Mr. REEVES. I believe he went away about the time I came to work, I
believe he did.
Mr. HUBERT. You saw him when he left, then?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; you see his car is parked there all the time, right in
front or his side by his club, that was in parking.
Mr. HUBERT. So, about 7 or shortly thereafter he left the garage?
Mr. REEVES. I sort of believe he did.
Mr. HUBERT. And the next time you saw him was when he came back in just
about a half hour or so after you gave the $5 to this girl?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; and he brought my $5 back.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember when he left after that?
Mr. REEVES. It seems to me he fooled around in the lobby, in the back
waiting room there a while and pranced around or walked around and
drove off--where he went from there, I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him any more that day?
Mr. REEVES. Let’s see, it seems to me he came back down there that
night and fooled around the lobby.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he park his car?
Mr. REEVES. You see, he always parked his own car--we didn’t park his.
Mr. HUBERT. He had a special spot there?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; he had a special spot there. We could move it up and
down, because he would leave his key, and we could move it up and down
as we had to move it in parking, but it seemed to me like he left
again to go--he was going home, and I told Mack, the colored man that
worked for me, I said, “That looked like Jack Ruby’s car that went up
the street.” You see, I sit on Commerce Street and I can tell every
car that passed if I just wanted to look out, and it seemed to me, I
told Mack that that looked like Jack Ruby’s car that went back up the
street, up Commerce.
Mr. HUBERT. He didn’t have to check in with you to get his car out?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; he was a monthly parker, he paid by the month.
When his car was parked there, nobody fooled with it, because he was a
monthly parker. You see, the drive came in this way [indicating] for
all the ticket cars, and over here on the side, was his parking place.
Of course, we might park two or three in front of his, but sometimes
we would move his if a boy had to sweep or something, we would have to
move his car up and down and back and forth.
Mr. HUBERT. What time was it, about, that you saw him leave again and
made a comment to that effect to the colored boy?
Mr. REEVES. It seems to me like when he left he said, “I’m going home,”
and I told Mack, it looked to me Jack Ruby was going back up the street
and he said he was going home when he left, and, told me earlier, “Boy,
I’m going home.”
Mr. HUBERT. You say usually he went out to his room in Oak Cliff?
Mr. REEVES. And I told the boys, “That looked like Jack Ruby’s car that
went back up the street.” That might not have been him--there’s lots
of cars that looks like that, but that’s what I told Mack Jones, the
colored man there.
Mr. HUBERT. What time was that?
Mr. REEVES. It was probably 9:30 or 10 or maybe 10 or over, I wouldn’t
say for sure, but I would just sort of estimate the time.
Mr. HUBERT. That was after he had given you the $5 back?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. So, he didn’t stay in the club very long?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t remember him ever going up in the club
that night. I don’t think he even went up in the club.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, he just came and gave you the $5, picked up
the receipt and left pretty quick?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; it seemed to me like he came back again and fooled
around in the lobby lots--he would come back and fool around at the
garage and my colored man was a good friend of his and he always talked
a lot to Jack Ruby--he talked to him and I was a good friend to him,
too, on account of that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him any more than that?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; that’s the last time I have seen him.
Mr. HUBERT. The last time you have seen him?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; I believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t see him Sunday morning before you went off duty,
did you?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I sure didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him earlier on Saturday, the day after the
President was shot?
Mr. REEVES. Saturday after the President was shot?
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, you were off on Saturday morning until 7 that
night?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; I am off in the daytime--I’m just there at night--I
couldn’t tell you whether I saw him.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him on Friday night during your shift, which
ran from 7, November 22, Friday night, to 7 o’clock Saturday morning,
November 22–23, 1963?
Mr. REEVES. I can’t recall that in there so much. I wouldn’t want to
say for sure whether I seen him or not.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember his making any comment to you on--about the
shooting of the President?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; no, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Andy Armstrong?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Who is he?
Mr. REEVES. He is a colored man that worked for Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. How long had he been there, do you know?
Mr. REEVES. I think he was there--I think when he came there--it was
probably a year and a half or something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you talked to him since Ruby was arrested on November
24?
Mr. REEVES. I probably have. He worked, you know, running the club, but
I never did have anything to do with him. You see, I was always so busy.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you know he was running the club?
Mr. REEVES. Well, he worked up in the club, I would see him up in the
club and the girls all parked right down there with me, and he worked
up in the club. They claimed he was sort of the guy that run it.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean after Ruby was arrested or before?
Mr. REEVES. After.
Mr. HUBERT. You never did talk to the man about the shooting on the 22d?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; none.
Mr. HUBERT. Andy Armstrong?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Ralph Paul?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How long have you known him?
Mr. REEVES. I have known him when I seen him; he parked in there, too,
and would go to Jack Ruby’s place.
Mr. HUBERT. How often would he go, do you know?
Mr. REEVES. Sometimes he would come in there, say two or three times a
week.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he park by the month?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; a ticket on the car.
Mr. HUBERT. And how long would he stay?
Mr. REEVES. Sometimes he would come and stay 3 or 4 hours.
Mr. HUBERT. That was two or three times a week?
Mr. REEVES. Something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever talked to him since November 24?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; the only thing is, when he pays the ticket, I get
his car for him.
Mr. HUBERT. But you have never talked to him about Ruby since November
24?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t believe he ever mentioned to me about it.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of George Senator?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; I have seen that man there, too.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he park his car in there?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; he has parked in there, too; he worked for Jack some.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he on a monthly basis?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; a ticket car.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you describe him for us?
Mr. REEVES. George?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes.
Mr. REEVES. Well, he’s sort of a heavy set--a pretty big heavy set man,
I guess, about 5 feet 8 inches tall, or something like that, and weighs
probably 175 to 180 pounds, a pretty good size man.
Mr. HUBERT. Bald headed, or slightly bald?
Mr. REEVES. I believe he’s got pretty good hair on his head.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever notice any limp on him?
Mr. REEVES. Limp?
Mr. HUBERT. Limp--yes.
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Ralph Paul have a limp?
Mr. REEVES. I don’t believe he did. I don’t believe he limped--no, sir;
not as I know of. Well, Paul broke his foot after all that happened,
but you know, he went around in a cast on his foot with crutches for a
while.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, when was that?
Mr. REEVES. That’s since, you know, all that happened.
Mr. HUBERT. That was after the 24th?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; he broke his foot; I don’t know how it happened.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever talked to George Senator about Ruby since the
24th of November?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t believe he’s been in my place since then.
I don’t believe he has.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Larry Crafard?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t believe I know him--no, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I will show you some pictures of a man, there are several
of them there in different poses, and I would like for you to look at
them.
Mr. REEVES. [Examining pictures referred to.] Yes, I have seen this guy
there at Jack’s place. He worked for Jack some.
Mr. HUBERT. Let the record show that the witness is examining five
photographs of different poses.
Mr. REEVES. Let’s see, I believe this is the same guy that
worked--let’s see some of these--I don’t know for sure, but I believe
it is the same one, too, I believe. All of these look like the same man
to me, do they to you?
Mr. HUBERT. They are all five different poses.
Mr. REEVES. They look like the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes. These are all five different poses of Curtis Laverne
Crafard, taken on November 28, 1963, by the FBI and forwarded recently
to the Commission.
Mr. REEVES. He stayed up there with Jack Ruby some.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you identified this man as a man you know?
Mr. REEVES. Well, I don’t exactly know him--he worked for Jack Ruby and
he would come down to the window and chat with me--right.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know his name?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know his full name?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t ever remember his name.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did he work for Jack?
Mr. REEVES. Well, I would see him up there and when Jack would leave,
he would leave him in his place to guard it, guard his place.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know that?
Mr. REEVES. Well, I have seen him leave with Jack Ruby and Ralph Paul
and go off with them in the car, you know, at night, after they closed
the place up. I think they called it going to eat or something. I have
seen him leave with them two or three times in the car.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you say he slept there?
Mr. REEVES. Yes; he stayed in the place.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know that?
Mr. REEVES. Well, I would see him go close the door and go up in there
and go over to the Eatwell Cafe and hang around maybe an hour or so and
go up there and lock the door.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you figure he was staying there?
Mr. REEVES. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever tell you that?
Mr. REEVES. It looked like he was working for Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever tell you that?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, that he was living upstairs--yes, staying there.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did he stay up in there?
Mr. REEVES. It seemed to me he stayed there a couple of weeks or
something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. When was the last time you saw him?
Mr. REEVES. It seems to me he disappeared--well, he disappeared. I
never did know any more of him--I don’t know whether Jack fired him or
he just walked off. You know how it is around one of them garages--I
just seen him there and see people.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him during your night shift from 7 o’clock on
Friday, November 22, that’s the date the President was shot, until the
end of your shift at 7 o’clock the next morning?
Mr. REEVES. November 23d? Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. I’m talking about the man whose picture you just looked at.
Mr. REEVES. I don’t believe I did--I don’t believe I seen him around
there during that time.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him and Ruby in the early hours of the 23d,
Saturday, say about 3 or 5 o’clock in the morning?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t believe I did--no, sir. I don’t think I
seen him.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see Ruby that morning, I’m talking about the shift
that runs from 7 o’clock on Friday to 7 o’clock Saturday morning?
Mr. REEVES. Let’s see--what date was that?
Mr. HUBERT. It would have been the 22d and the 23d, that was the night
of and the morning after the President was shot.
Mr. REEVES. No, sir. Let’s see, I may have seen Jack--I don’t remember
seeing this boy. I may have seen Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember Jack parking his car there early Saturday
morning the 23d?
Mr. REEVES. Saturday morning the 23d?
Mr. HUBERT. Before you got off, maybe 2 or 3 hours before you got off?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I don’t think so. He never did come in that
early--before I got off--I don’t think so. Most of the time he came in
would be, I think, about 8 o’clock at night and maybe when he closed up
was 1 or 1:30 and he would maybe go off and eat and he might run back
to see if he locked his door. Sometimes he would call me and have me to
hold the phone while I ran in there to see if his door was locked, and
I would come back and tell him his door was locked.
Mr. HUBERT. You say it just looked like Larry had taken off?
Mr. REEVES. Well, I seen him going in and out of the place there all of
the time--I just missed him. I was not trying to keep up with him--I
just missed him. I was not trying to keep up with him, but I just
missed him.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember when you missed him?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did anybody tell you he had gone?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; didn’t nobody tell me.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the last time you saw him?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I couldn’t say for sure the last time I seen him.
I think he stayed there a week or 2--I don’t remember--it might be 3
weeks--I don’t remember. Sometimes he would come in, he was a pretty
friendly boy, and he would come there and wave at me and I am pretty
friendly too and I would see him when he was working up there for Jack
Ruby and maybe I would wave to him when he came out and sometimes he
would come over there and talk to me at the ticket window while I was
cashing tickets and chat with him a few times, but I don’t remember him
ever telling me his name or anything, but he was a peculiar acting kind
of a boy.
Mr. HUBERT. In what way?
Mr. REEVES. The way he would sort of bat his eyes like that when he
would talk and get around real fast when he would take off up the
street. He would walk real fast, you know, and all at once he would
just take off and go through the Adolphus Hotel lobby, is what I mean.
He claimed he had a girl friend over there--I don’t know who it was.
Mr. HUBERT. Where?
Mr. REEVES. Over there at the Eatwell Cafe--some girl was meeting him
over there.
Mr. HUBERT. He told you that?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, he said, “I’ve got to go, I’ve got to meet a girl over
at the Eatwell.”
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever see him with a girl?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; I never seen him with a girl.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is the Eatwell place?
Mr. REEVES. It’s on Main Street, right in front of Nichols Brothers.
You go through the lobby of the hotel--I call it a lobby, I always say
lobby, but it is just a car drive, and you run into Main Street and it
is up two or three doors, and it’s the Eatwell Cafe. It stays open all
night.
Mr. HUBERT. It’s on Main Street?
Mr. REEVES. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you that the girl worked there, or that he was
just meeting her there?
Mr. REEVES. He said he was going to meet her. I don’t know whether she
worked there or was just meeting him there, I just don’t know. He said,
“I’ve got to go and meet her.” I would talk to him a few times--he was
friendly--he would say, “I’ve got to go and meet a girl.” Whether he
has one--he seemed to be sort of a windy guy in talking.
Mr. HUBERT. Did that happen once or more than once?
Mr. REEVES. I believe once or twice--I would say probably a couple of
times.
Mr. HUBERT. Did anybody tell you he just took off and left?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir; nobody didn’t say anything. I just seen him
working, because Jack had a lot of boys like that working for him. He
had one boy that worked before this time for him, a Jewish-looking boy,
a stocky-looking boy. The fact of the business is, Jack and him had a
little trouble, and when they were having trouble up in the place, they
came down to where I could see him out in front.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was having trouble?
Mr. REEVES. This boy--I don’t know his name.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean the Jewish-looking boy?
Mr. REEVES. He was a Jewish looking--little short type guy, and
Jack--they was having trouble and Jack went up in the club and he came
down and I heard the boy say, “I’m going to go get a gun and kill Jack
Ruby,” and when Jack come back down, I told Jack, I said, “Go back
there and hide somewhere, he’s got a gun and he’s going to kill you,”
and Jack raised the turtle shell of his car there in the parking lot
and got his gun out and he went up to that whisky store and hit him
across the head with it.
Mr. HUBERT. What whisky store?
Mr. REEVES. Right there up at the corner.
Mr. HUBERT. You saw him do it yourself?
Mr. REEVES. No; I stayed out at the garage, but I heard the boy say,
“I’m going to get a gun and kill Jack Ruby,” and he said it real down
low, and when Jack came down, I didn’t want Jack to get killed, and I
said, “Go back there and hide. That boy said he was going to kill you.”
Instead of hiding like I told Jack, Jack reached back up in his car and
got his six-shooter out and went up to this whisky store and tapped him
with his gun like that [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. When was that?
Mr. REEVES. It was when he went up to the store and I seen the big guy
come out across there.
Mr. HUBERT. How long ago was that?
Mr. REEVES. It has been probably 5 or 6 months--I wouldn’t say for sure.
Mr. HUBERT. Did the police come?
Mr. REEVES. No, sir. Oh, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did anybody arrest Jack Ruby?
Mr. REEVES. He didn’t bother Jack.
Mr. HUBERT. How old a man is this boy--this Jewish boy Jack was
supposed to have hit?
Mr. REEVES. He looked like 30 years old or something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is the liquor store?
Mr. REEVES. It’s right up there on the corner. I believe I may have the
address here in my pocket--it’s the first one on the corner--Segal’s--I
believe.
Mr. HUBERT. What corner is it on?
Mr. REEVES. It’s on the corner of Akard and Commerce--that’s it.
Mr. HUBERT. What time of night did this happen?
Mr. REEVES. It was probably--I don’t remember just exactly, probably
about 10:30, 9:30 or 10:30, something like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Jack Ruby come back right away after that?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, he came back to his place, I think.
Mr. HUBERT. Right away?
Mr. REEVES. It wasn’t too long.
Mr. HUBERT. It wasn’t too long?
Mr. REEVES. No, it wasn’t too long.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he arrested?
Mr. REEVES. I don’t think so.
Mr. HUBERT. Was the other man arrested?
Mr. REEVES. I don’t think they arrested him neither. I think they
carried him to the hospital in an ambulance.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see the ambulance?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, I heard the ambulance come after him and after he did
that, he come back and worked for Jack. Jack buddied up with him again,
Jack was a good-hearted kind of a fellow, and he came back and worked
for him some more, and went away. I never did learn his name, but some
of them said he lived in Houston.
Mr. HUBERT. You think that was about 6 months ago from now?
Mr. REEVES. Yes, I wouldn’t say for sure--it’s either--might have been
3 or 4 months.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, we are now in March, you know.
Mr. REEVES. Yes.