Mr. HUBERT. Sir, if somebody had to open it----

Mr. McKINZIE. It would have been open when I went back to it. It

wouldn’t close.

Mr. HUBERT. It wouldn’t automatically close?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. No way to make it close from the outside?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; when you’ve got it cut off. When it is on

automatic when you cut it off if you leave your doors open they stay

open. If you close them up they stay closed.

Mr. HUBERT. And you say they were closed?

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. So, even pushing the button wouldn’t have opened the back

door?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. The key to the back door of the building that goes out to

the alleyway, was it left in the elevator when you left the elevator?

Mr. McKINZIE. I hang the keys on a ring and hang them up on the wall.

Mr. HUBERT. Those keys were there?

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. So if they had managed to get the elevator door open, they

could have used that key to get the back door leading onto the alley

open?

Mr. McKINZIE. Oh, yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. But, you didn’t see anything like that?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t see them go out Main Street?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir. Now, which way they went out of that, I really

do not know, but I do learn--I heard them say, myself, they believed

they would go down to the police department and watch television.

Mr. HUBERT. How would they get to the police department from the main

floor of the municipal building?

Mr. McKINZIE. They would have had, at least, to went out Commerce

Street and went down and gone down into the basement, or either--or

they would have had to went through the screen door, the door between

the two swinging, so, they had to go one of two ways. The only way to

go to the police department from the municipal building into the police

department. After they got in that alley, they had to go right down in

the stairways, as I understand is where they was, they went downstairs,

they had to go out through a gate if they went downstairs, and they

stopped them over in the police department before they even got over to

the televisions. That is where they were stopped at.

Mr. HUBERT. Your thought is that they used the staircase, the fire

stairs?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; I think they must have used the door between the

two buildings.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean that door that has got two metal doors like an

accordion?

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did they have a key to that?

Mr. McKINZIE. I don’t know whether Riggs had keys or not. He is a

truck-driver. He might have keys of his own. He works daytime and I

work nights. I don’t know too much about it. I don’t know too much

about it, but I know he drives a truck and porter work, and those head

boys, some of them has keys.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know this man called Jack Ruby?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Never met him before in your life?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Of course, you have seen pictures of him?

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; that’s all.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he come in there that day?

Mr. McKINZIE. I don’t know. I didn’t see him if he did and I don’t

think he did. I really don’t.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, you are swearing that you didn’t see him come in?

Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right; that’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, since all this happened you must have stopped to think

to yourself, “Well, did that man come in through where I was supposed

to be?”

Mr. McKINZIE. Oh, yes, sir. I have thought of it, but I know he didn’t.

Mr. HUBERT. That is what I want to find out. You have put your mind to

it and you have thought about it a great deal----

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. And you are prepared to tell us under oath now, Louis, that

this man did not come through, so far as you know, you didn’t see him?

Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. That’s right. He come in there some other

way. He didn’t come through that elevator.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you anything else you want to say, Louis, that might

help the President’s Commission in finding out the truth about this

thing?

Mr. McKINZIE. Well, I don’t--other words about it, I just don’t know

anything I could say.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, we certainly don’t want you to invent anything. On

the other hand, we want you to feel free to say anything that is the

truth.

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; that’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. Because this is an important thing.

Mr. McKINZIE. Sure. I realize that.

Mr. HUBERT. Nobody blames you, or anybody. On the other hand, if we

could find out the truth it would help us to protect other people and

other Presidents in the future.

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. And you have given thought to all that, and you are saying

that what you are telling us is the truth?

Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.

Mr. HUBERT. If you should remember sometime something that you

haven’t told us here this morning, or you haven’t told the FBI or the

investigating officers, why, I would like very much for you to contact

the President’s Commission through the U.S. attorney’s office there,

Mr. Barefoot Sanders, and tell us you have something to say to us that

hasn’t been said before.

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. And we’ll get in touch with you. Now, let me ask you one

more thing. Has anybody other than the Government officials, U.S.

officials talked to you about this?

Mr. McKINZIE. No.

Mr. HUBERT. The police department didn’t talk to you about it at all?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. They didn’t inquire of you as to whether Ruby had come that

way?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Nobody from the Dallas Police Department ever talked to you?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Nobody has threatened you?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. They haven’t told you not to tell the truth?

Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Nobody said anything.

Mr. HUBERT. Nobody said anything like that to you? Didn’t even speak to

you about it?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Nobody ever took a statement from you?

Mr. McKINZIE. Nobody from the police department.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, the FBI, of course.

Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, FBI; that is the only one.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, prior to my speaking to you this morning and taking

this deposition, there had been no interviews between you and me, is

that correct?

Mr. McKINZIE. That’s correct.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean, we haven’t spoken about this matter until you came

into this room and took your oath?

Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, Louis. Thank you very much.

Mr. McKINZIE. Okay. I thank you.

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