Mr. HUBERT. From the time that you were ordered not to bring the
elevator down until after the shooting?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; it didn’t happen.
Mr. HUBERT. Nobody passed through that door?
Mr. McKINZIE. One lady probably came from--I went to five and got a
telephone operator and brought her down to one. I told her I couldn’t
carry her down to the basement, and she walked down the stairway and
she couldn’t get the elevator. She walked down, and I carried her back
up to one, but outside of that, those two women that I can recall, two
women, but I don’t know the name, but a telephone operator that got
the elevator, one of them on the first floor, and one walked from the
first--fifth floor down to the first floor, the--down the stairway and
I carried her back in the elevator.
Mr. HUBERT. Up to the fifth?
Mr. McKINZIE. Up to the fifth floor. Outside of that after I got her it
was a telephone man came in just as they left--gave me those orders,
but they give me orders to carry him to the fifth floor and bring him
right back, and he was the last passenger that I carried all the way
from the basement to the fifth floor after I got orders to cut the
elevator off, to the fifth floor, he went up there and right back.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see anybody open up either the Commerce Street
entrance or the Main Street entrance and go out?
Mr. McKINZIE. Nobody. I say, the engineerman had a key, and him and a
bunch of them stood in the Commerce side at the door.
Mr. HUBERT. He opened the door?
Mr. McKINZIE. He opened it one time, but now what I can understand--I
don’t know, I think they had three policemen at that door, and they
wouldn’t let him come out.
Mr. HUBERT. That is on the municipal building, first floor, Commerce
Street?
Mr. McKINZIE. Commerce Street.
Mr. HUBERT. And they wouldn’t let him out?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; give him orders they couldn’t let him out.
Opened the first door, and walked out into the lobby, you know, got a
little lobby. This is as far as they got, that lobby there.
Mr. HUBERT. What about the Main Street entrance?
Mr. McKINZIE. Nobody went to Main Street. Nobody went to that door.
Mr. HUBERT. Who had the key to those doors?
Mr. McKINZIE. Mr. Pierce, the engineer.
Mr. HUBERT. He is the engineer?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Where--what is his first name, do you know?
Mr. McKINZIE. I really don’t know his first name, but he was on duty
that Saturday.
Mr. HUBERT. He is the engineer?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. He works in the basement?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes; subbasement.
Mr. HUBERT. Subbasement. That’s where all the engineering equipment and
air conditioning is located?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is he the only one who has the keys?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; I don’t know how many engineermen they have down
there, but I understand every one of them has keys. Every one.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have a key?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. The keys you had were to the elevator and to the back door
facing on the alley, is that right?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you use any kind of a sign-in and sign-out system?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you do so that day when you let the porters out?
Mr. McKINZIE. The porters don’t sign.