Mr. McKINZIE. There would be one porter probably went out maybe one or
two trips.
Mr. HUBERT. How would he get out through that back door leading onto
the alleyway? Is that an open door?
Mr. McKINZIE. It is locked.
Mr. HUBERT. Who has the key?
Mr. McKINZIE. They gives them a key to go out that door to carry the
trash, and they bring the key back and carry them back down to the
basement.
Mr. HUBERT. They don’t have a key personally; the key is in the
elevator on a ring, is that right?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. And they have to get that key from the elevator operator?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, did you give the key to anybody that day, do you
remember?
Mr. McKINZIE. Well, I’m sure that I give it to--I don’t know which
porter was working, just exactly. I think Alfreadia Riggs, or some of
them, but I am sure I give them the key to unlock the back door to
carry his trash out.
Mr. HUBERT. Does that back door have a latch on it so that you can push
it and it will stay open?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. That door requires a key all the time, either way?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. When they go out, how do they get back in?
Mr. McKINZIE. They got to leave it open, or either carry the key to
come back in.
Mr. HUBERT. How did they leave it open?
Mr. McKINZIE. They just walk out on the little ramp. The garbage cans
is sitting right by the building, and they just, oh, about 4 feet from
the door is about all, or 5 feet from the door is all they have to
walk. They mostly have that trash in a sack, and just throw it in the
corner and right back in the building.
Mr. HUBERT. All right; now, after you had been told not to bring the
elevator down to the basement any more, did you follow those orders?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And you never brought the elevator down at all any more?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; not until--well, I know it was 11:30, probably
12 o’clock.
Mr. HUBERT. It was after the shooting?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; it was after the shooting.
Mr. HUBERT. And you want to say now that that elevator never came down
to the bottom floor all the time?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; it didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. All right; you also state, so that we can be clear that
after you took the elevator to the first floor the doors of the
elevator--the front doors of the elevator rather were open, but the
back door was not?
Mr. McKINZIE. That back was not.
Mr. HUBERT. And the elevator, any time you left it, was cut off so that
it couldn’t be operated?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. It had a key, isn’t that correct?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. And without turning the elevator on with the key, it
couldn’t move?
Mr. McKINZIE. Couldn’t move.
Mr. HUBERT. You had the key in your possession?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. So, the elevator didn’t move unless you knew about it?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you let any porters out after you had been told not to
move the elevator?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; I didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Out the back door?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And the back door, by the way, was closed?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. So, your statement is that from the time
you were told not to bring the elevator down any more there was nobody
who could have gone out of the door or come into it?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Through the elevator door there or that alley door?
Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Nobody asked you for the keys to get out?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, do you know--what is his name, Alfreadia Riggs?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know where he lives?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; I really don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him that day?
Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What was his job?
Mr. McKINZIE. He was a porter.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, do you remember allowing Alfreadia Riggs and Harold
Fuqua to go through the back door of the elevator and out of the back
door on the alley?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. That did not happen?
Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. It didn’t happen at any time at all?
Mr. McKINZIE. Well, now, not during the period of the time that I had
the elevator cut off.