Mr. HUBERT. No; when you and Riggs left. First of all, what time was
it, about, when you left the municipal building to go out and around----
Mr. FUQUA. Seemed to me that it must have been 10 or after.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think it was as late as 11?
Mr. FUQUA. No; I don’t think it was that late.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me put it another way. When you left Servance and
Pierce and the others, at the Commerce Street entrance and you and
Riggs decided to go and watch on television and you left for the
municipal building, how long was it before the shooting.
Mr. FUQUA. Oh, it wasn’t over 10 or 15 minutes at the most. I doubt if
it was that long, because we walked slowly along the street there and
where these two officers were on the Main Street side, and just walked
on around slowly, around the Harwood side, and looked down the ramp,
and by the time we found out it wasn’t--that it wasn’t going to be on
television and came back----
Mr. HUBERT. And that is about the time the shot was fired?
Mr. FUQUA. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. How long were you in the locker room?
Mr. FUQUA. I think, sir, we were long enough--I think Riggs bought a
can of chili and beans or something he bought.
Mr. HUBERT. And he had a chance to eat it?
Mr. FUQUA. He just walked on back up the stairs. We was laughing, we
got to wondering what he did with the can when he got back up, because
I guess just before he finished it, well, that is what happened.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Jack Ruby?
Mr. FUQUA. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You have seen pictures of him in the papers, of course?
Mr. FUQUA. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. When you were walking along Main Street there and past the
Main Street ramp, did you see him along Main Street or anywhere in the
crowd?
Mr. FUQUA. No, sir. I don’t remember him.
Mr. HUBERT. You would have passed there, you think, about 10 minutes
before the shooting?
Mr. FUQUA. Something about like that, about 10 minutes before the
shooting.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, what door did you use to get out of the municipal
building?
Mr. FUQUA. Well, see, the elevator coming--you know, the service
elevator, it has got a front and rear door, and we punched it and went
through the elevator.
Mr. HUBERT. When you punched it it opened the rear door?
Mr. FUQUA. That’s what happened, right.
Mr. HUBERT. So, it made like a little hallway with the elevator being
the hall, that is with the two doors of the elevator opened?
Mr. FUQUA. Right. You go straight through, because whenever the
elevator is on the first floor lots of people want to use the elevator,
they say, “Let me go through the back door.”
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you got into the elevator door and the
municipal building side of the elevator was open?
Mr. FUQUA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you punched the door on the other side of the elevator
which opened that door so that you could get to the corridor leading to
the alleyway?
Mr. FUQUA. All the controls are on one side.
Mr. HUBERT. But, in any case, you remember that the back door to the
elevator, that is, to say, the elevator door on the alleyway side was
closed, and you had to punch a button to open it up?
Mr. FUQUA. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. And then how did you get out of the back door that leads to
the alleyway?
Mr. FUQUA. Riggs opened up that door.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did he get a key from? Do you remember?
Mr. FUQUA. Key--see, the key usually hangs up in the elevator there. It
is a string of keys on a stick.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he take them with him--put it this way; did he have to
use the key to open that door?
Mr. FUQUA. Yes; he would have to use a key.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he lock it back up again?
Mr. FUQUA. Yes; he locked it.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know?
Mr. FUQUA. You see, lots of times I do work, and I believe I remember
him shaking it, you know, shake it to see if it is locked, because it
is strict to keep it closed on weekends.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you have to do to close it after you had gone
through the door and were standing in the alleyway area? How do you
lock it then?
Mr. FUQUA. I don’t know whether you exactly--whether you can fix it so
it will lock when you pull it.
Mr. HUBERT. Or do you have to turn the key?
Mr. FUQUA. Right. I don’t know.
Mr. HUBERT. But, you say you do remember him shaking the door?
Mr. FUQUA. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. After you all had passed through the door?
Mr. FUQUA. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t try the door yourself?
Mr. FUQUA. No.
Mr. HUBERT. But, from what you were able to see, he was shaking it as a
person would do just testing to see if a door is closed?
Mr. FUQUA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And it seemed now to be closed?
Mr. FUQUA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I am showing you a document which purports to be
a report of an interview with you by FBI Agent Jack Peden, and I’m
marking it for identification as follows: “Dallas, Tex., April 1, 1964,
Exhibit 5134, Deposition of Harold Fuqua,” and signing my name to it.
The document consists of two pages, and I’m putting my initials on the
lower right-hand corner of the second page. Now, in order that the
record may show that we are both speaking of the same document when you
testify in a moment about this document, I would like you to place your
signature near mine on the first page, and your initials near mine on
the second page, please.
Mr. FUQUA. Now, say this again, now.