Mr. HUBERT. Of the rise?
Mr. TURNER. That’s right. I might be a little off there.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you say you saw Jack Ruby. You had not known him to be
Jack Ruby at that time?
Mr. TURNER. No; what set him off from other men was the hat he was
wearing.
Mr. HUBERT. What sort of hat was it?
Mr. TURNER. I don’t know the technical name. Could you help me out? It
was a felt hat, had a pretty large brim on it, and it was a--round on
top, which you seldom see.
Mr. HUBERT. Snap brim?
Mr. TURNER. No; it wasn’t snap brim. It was just a wide brim, and like
you say, I didn’t go that far.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what color it was?
Mr. TURNER. It seemed to be grey.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you describe any other clothing?
Mr. TURNER. Yes; he was, to my knowledge he was dressed in an overcoat,
or long--it could have been a suit coat, but I didn’t notice.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have a fair look at his face?
Mr. TURNER. At an angle that I do not recognize him now. He seemed to
be much heavier then than when I saw him in the Ruby trial.
Mr. HUBERT. Will you mark the position where you saw this man, marking
it with the next number?
Mr. TURNER. All right. Let’s see. “10.”
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that that man that you saw at position “10”,
was Jack Ruby?
Mr. TURNER. I certainly do.
Mr. HUBERT. He was coming down the Main Street ramp at that time?
Mr. TURNER. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. He was moving?
Mr. TURNER. He was moving at that time but this man looks like Ruby,
but he seemed to be heavier than I see him now. I don’t know whether it
is an allusion, being in a dark place----
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see a man come out from the crowd and shoot Oswald?
Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir.