Dr. BIEBERDORF. That I marked on that you have marked the--No. 5124.
Mr. HUBERT. Between the time that you left and the time of the
shooting, where were you?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. I was, the majority of the time, down at the
subbasement in the locker room. I was no closer to the spot that
Oswald was shot--at which Oswald was shot than I was at the time of
the shooting, and no time was I--well, with the exception of crossing
through about 9:45.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, when you left the first aid room in the bottom floor,
did you leave anybody in there? Was there anyone in those rooms at that
time?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. There was no one in the room. It was empty. The fellow
that I had relieved left the building.
Mr. HUBERT. Were those doors locked?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Those doors were locked, and I had a key to them. The
police officer, just before I left, looked in the rooms, searched them.
I unlocked the rooms for them. Now, I don’t know----
Mr. HUBERT. To your knowledge, was there anyone in those rooms at all?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. There was nobody in those rooms, and I had the only key
that is commonly used to open those rooms, other than the keys that the
janitors have.
Mr. HUBERT. And all doors were locked and you had a key, and as far as
you know, you are the only one who does have a key unless there is a
general key?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Well, I am sure there is.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. Any other corrections to be made on that exhibit?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. I don’t believe so. I could add, to what Ruby said, or
what----
Mr. HUBERT. Well, yes; I should like you to say if there is anything in
there that--or if you heard something that Ruby said which is not in
your report denominated as Exhibit 5123, I wish you would add that.
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Okay; well, as I stated earlier, I saw him on the
two occasions. Once at approximately 2:05, and the second time at
approximately 6 p.m., both on November 24.
At the 2:05 time that I saw him, he, as I stated in this
document--Well, let me just go through what, as best I can recall, what
was said. I identified myself to him. I don’t recall that he said who
he was or that either the police officer with him or the FBI agent with
him at the time identified him to me. I told him that I had been asked
to see if he had any complaints or injuries as a result of the earlier
scuffle he had in the city hall.
He assured me that he was not injured in any way. He took off his coat,
which he had on at the time, and showed me a few bruises on the medial
aspect of his right arm, and I also noted a few bruises on his right
wrist which appeared to be fresh, but, he assured me these weren’t
bothering him, and he had no other injuries. He, at that time--oh, I
don’t recall the exact words he used, but he expressed an admiration
for the police officers. And in saying that he had no injuries he
stated that the police had just done what they had to do, that they
hadn’t injured him any more than necessary, than he would expect in
such a scuffle, and again spoke of how the police were doing their job
and how they were doing their job well.
At 6 o’clock. Well, excuse me. Delete that 6 o’clock.
He, at that time, did not seem to act--I did not make any observation
of his behavior at that time.
Just saw him for a matter of 2 or 3 minutes during that time. I did not
attempt to do any mental status observation or examination on him, and
really couldn’t say anything, hadn’t formed any opinion as to the state
of mind that he was in at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that last statement of yours true as to both interviews,
or only the 6 o’clock one?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Both interviews. I saw him 2 or 3 minutes at 2 o’clock,
or 2:05, and another 2 or 3 minutes at 6 o’clock. Now, the conversation
that I mentioned occurred at 2:05.
Mr. HUBERT. No conversation in the evening, in the later call, later
visit?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. At that time--6 o’clock when I saw him, I had stated
that I had been asked to do additional and rectal examination to make
sure he had not smuggled anything into the jail. By this time he had on
a pair of white pants and white shirt that apparently, looked like a
uniform that cooks in the city jail wear. He had on different clothes
than he had on at 2:05, and I explained to him what I had been asked
to do and we found a little room just off the main lobby there, and
went in there, and he bent over and I performed a rectal examination on
him, and he made the comment that this was the worst massage that he
had ever had, and that is all the conversation that I recall. The only
comment that I recall that he made. That was at the 6 o’clock visit.
Mr. HUBERT. All right. Any other corrections you have to make?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. I believe that is all.
Mr. HUBERT. As to Exhibit 5123?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. That’s all.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby, at any time, make any comments as to his motive,
or his intent?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. At neither time that I saw him was the shooting brought
up. I did not mention it and he did not mention it, and it was all the
talk we had.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me put it to you this way; do you consider that taking
the FBI report which has been identified as Exhibit 5123, and taking
also your deposition today, including your identification on the chart,
which is 5124, that there has now been recorded all you know about this
matter, completely?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, have you been interviewed by any member of the
Commission’s staff prior to the time----
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Not by the Commission.
Mr. HUBERT. None of the Commission’s staff?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. I mean by the Commission’s staff.
Mr. HUBERT. Other than myself?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. Well, not that I know of. I was interviewed, of course,
by the FBI man.
Mr. HUBERT. Insofar as our interview is concerned, today, prior to the
commencement of this deposition, was there anything in that interview
which is inconsistent with your deposition taken after the interview
ended?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. I believe not.
Mr. HUBERT. Anything of material nature which was discussed in the
interview which has not been brought out in this deposition?
Dr. BIEBERDORF. No.
Mr. HUBERT. All right; I think that is it, sir.
Thank you.