Mr. GRAVES. Press pass, and he used that on one of the officers at the
door to get in. You can hear everything.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first hear the rumor that he had walked down
the Main Street ramp?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, I can’t remember. Just some time that day after we
got back there from the hospital.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear it before or after the other rumors that you
are relating?
Mr. GRAVES. That was the first one that I heard, really.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That he walked down the Main Street ramp?
Mr. GRAVES. That he walked down the ramp when that squad car drove out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And people came out of Captain Fritz’ office, who had been
talking with Ruby, did you hear anything coming out of Captain Fritz’
office as to how Ruby got in?
Mr. GRAVES. No; sure didn’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever learn from any of the detectives who had been
talking to Ruby in Captain Fritz’ office how Ruby got into the jail
basement?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, let’s see. I don’t know who it was, that told me how
he (Ruby) got in. Now, Captain Fritz later told us that he asked Ruby
how he got in there and he told him, I believe it was, at that time
that he would rather not discuss that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. And did Captain Fritz tell you this shortly
after this interview that Fritz was having with Ruby?
Mr. GRAVES. It was some time after the interview. And I don’t remember
exactly when, but it was some time after he had talked with him. Maybe
the second time, I don’t know, but it was some time after he had told
him, and they told----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, at the time that Ruby--at the time that you learned
from Fritz that Ruby didn’t want to talk about how he got in this
basement, had you already heard that Ruby came down the ramp?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you already heard the other rumors which you have
related?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you later hear from Captain Fritz, or any other police
officer that he had talked with Ruby and Ruby had said something about
how he got in----
Mr. GRAVES. I didn’t hear that from Captain Fritz that I know of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But, from any other police officer?
Mr. GRAVES. Something to the effect that he told somebody how he got in
there, but I never did find out the straight of that. They had started
a full scale investigation in terms of what happened in the basement at
that time. Nobody was telling anybody anything so I just dropped it.