Mr. GRIFFIN. Any other police officers in the office?
Mr. GRAVES. Let’s see. Leavelle. I believe Montgomery was in there, too.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what was said when you came in?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, I walked in and asked--last thing I heard was--Oswald
say was that--“Well, people will soon forget that the President was
shot.” And then--Chief Curry, incidentally, was in there at that time,
too, and he was around over behind the desk by Captain Fritz. Between
he and Mr. Sorrels, and something was discussed about an armored car,
but they decided that they would send an armored car on as a decoy,
because it couldn’t get down into the basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You had heard a conversation about that?
Mr. GRAVES. I heard that discussed just briefly, the armored car was
there, but----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, did you hear the discussion about a decoy?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, Captain Fritz turned back to me and Leavelle, told us
that the armored car would go ahead, and that we would leave out in the
regular car; so, he told Leavelle to handcuff himself to Oswald. Can I
tell you something off the record?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Sure.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right.
Mr. GRAVES. I expect it doesn’t matter. I thought about it later. It
doesn’t mean anything, I don’t suppose, unless it has some sentimental
value to him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear Oswald say anything, or any other
conversation with Oswald before you took him down?
Mr. GRAVES. I heard some other conversation, but I am vague on what
it was. Discussion between he and--I wish I could remember that man’s
name. I want to say, “O’Malley.” Seems like it was an Irish name. He
was asking him something about his stay in Russia and some of his
activities down in Mexico and--but just what his answer was, I am vague
on it. He discussed something with him, and I wasn’t paying too much
attention at the time. Some answers that he gave.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us what happened when Oswald went to get something?
Mr. GRAVES. We asked him if he would like to put on something. He just
had on this white T-shirt, see, and asked him if he would like to put
on something. So, when we got these clothes off the rack and started to
give him a light-colored jacket or shirt, and said, “If it is all the
same to you”--said, “I’d rather wear that black sweater.”
Mr. GRIFFIN. Whose black sweater was that?
Mr. GRAVES. Well, his, presumably. So, we let him put it on.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were the clothes?
Mr. GRAVES. They were in the captain’s office back there in the back,
and brought them in there so he could pick out something to wear.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were they all his?