"It is the paradise of the incredulous," answered Renan. "There are many

paradises: that state of being which on earth was called hell is the

paradise of those given over to animal passions. The paradise of the

ascetics is an eternal Shrove Tuesday, with the eternal prospect of an

eternal Ash Wednesday; the case of Tantalus reversed and made

pleasurable. All good Buddhists have attained Nirvana. The righteous

Mahometan is distracted by the charms of innumerable _houris_. We

Epicureans enjoy that moment which is eternity; and every man is

justified in his own eyes."

"It is charming," said Leo.

"It is more," said Renan; "it is rational. How puerile is the mortal

conception of paradise! Man has imagined a place where virtue is

rewarded and vice punished. He believes in it with a passionate

conviction, because he is not quite sure. He forgets that virtue must be

disinterested, or it ceases to be virtue. If man is capable of a free

and unhampered choice between vice and virtue, if the distinction

between them be clear and precise, and the reward or punishment entailed

by the choice definite and finally revealed, mankind, then, is obviously

divided into two parts: the astute and the infatuate. One feels

immediately that both the reward and the punishment are excessive; or

else that vice and virtue have ceased to exist. However, in mortal

things there is always an element of doubt, and perhaps the chief glory

of man is born from it. Our choice is not entirely free, the distinction

is not absolutely clear, the reward is purely hypothetical."

"Ah, M. Renan," said Leo, "why are you here? You were always a believer

at heart; one might almost say a scholastic. You invented a system of

doubt, as others might a system of faith; even your doubts were

affirmations. Science with you was only a synonym for God, and round it

you constructed an hierarchy of saints and martyrs, a church suffering,

militant, triumphant. Lucian----"

"He is here," said Renan.

"Lucian," continued Leo, "imagined the soul of Plato inhabiting a

paradise constructed after the model of his own Republic. I imagine you

projected into that strange future which you announced in your

_Dialogues Philosophiques_."

"Doubt must be systematic," answered Renan; "but there is no need for

system in religion. The essence of a creed is in its assertions, not in

its arguments. Its arguments are nearly always a series of

after-thoughts, of apologies; its reason is always _à priori_; the very

fact that an argument should be considered necessary is blasphemous and

heretical. You exaggerate my scholasticism; but there was always in me

the nature of a priest, and I could not put away from me my education,

as I could put off my ecclesiastical dress. I imported the unction of a

priest into the region of philosophic doubt, and by that means invented

a substitute for faith. Science, in limiting the field of its

researches, has increased the mystery which lies beyond. I became, as it

were, the priest of an unknown God; and the first article of my creed

was, that perhaps he did not exist at all. 'Sois béni pour ton mystère,'

I cried in my _Magnificat_; 'béni pour t'être caché, béni pour avoir

reservé la pleine liberté de nos cœurs.' The _Dialogues Philosophiques_

were written at a time when the whole thought of France was depressed

and reactionary. They were a play of intelligence upon contemporary

ideas. Progress does not tend to establish a scientific aristocracy at

the head of its affairs; science is progressive because it has saturated

the commercial classes with its ideals; it has increased production, and

economised in by-products. This alliance between democracy and the

scientific spirit is the unique characteristic of our age. I think,

myself, that society is tending to adopt the Chinese model. Kingship,

the State, the present conventions of society, may continue to exist in

atrophied and rudimentary forms; but I imagine the whole earth in a few

thousand years regulated by examinations and trade-unions, with an

effete mandarinate surviving amid the débris of the ancient order, like

the solitary column of Phocas in the Roman Forum, or the teeth in an

embryonic whale."

"In this paradise," said Leo with an elusive smile, "you have,

doubtless, infinite leisure for the discussion of these academic

questions."

"Naturally," answered Renan; "and we have a little Academy modelled on

the Académie Française. I hope, Monsieur, to have the honour of

welcoming you among us, and of replying to your _discours de réception_;

it is an amiable duty which my colleagues have delegated to me.

Sometimes; it is what remains of my mortal vanity, Monsieur; I imagine

that I have some talent in these things."

Leo had intended to be ironical; but his own vanity was now flattered.

One ambition is always left to those who occupy a throne; it is to be

considered equal with the great.

"Your response, Monsieur, will be my apotheosis," he replied. "But, tell

me, are you become a socialist? Your prophecy of the reformation of the

earth on the Chinese model seems to point that way."

Renan smiled.

"No," he said; "the Chinese are not a socialistic nation. They have not

the notion of the State which is peculiar to socialism. But they are a

nation governed by trades-unions and examining boards; and through the

same institutions we may arrive at the same stagnation. Our progress at

present seems to follow that direction, because the aim of our

materialistic civilisation is to make everything cheap, food, education,

state-offices; and its final effect will be to make men cheap, then we

shall have large, flat, arid masses of humanity, to whom few luxuries

will be possible, and the forms of our civilisation will become

stereotyped. As it was with Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt, as it is with

China, so it will be with us. Evolution is the progress from homogeneity

to heterogeneity; but the process is not indefinite.

"After a race or a nation has produced a great number of diverse

personalities, it becomes decadent and tends to produce a single type:

the process of evolution is arrested, and the race may either lie

dormant for centuries if like the Chinese it has been prolific and

exists in sufficient numbers; or, if sparse and scattered like the

Phœnicians, they may be completely annihilated by their more vigorous

neighbours. Socialism is neither a remedy nor a disease, but it may be a

symptom. No society has been free from socialistic groups. Jerusalem had

its _ebionim_; there was the eclectic philosophy of Rome under Nero, the

Flavians, and the Antonines; primitive Christianity was communistic, and

Neo-Christianity under Joachim of Flora and St Francis was an imitation

of it. The Jacobins had communistic notions. The poor, the humble, the

oppressed have always been liable to the dreams of millenarism; and the

difference between the Maccabean aspiration, which was, according to

Daniel, to establish the kingdom of God upon earth, and the aspiration

of Robespierre, who wished 'to found upon earth the empire of wisdom, of

justice, and of virtue,' is merely the difference of time and place. A

beautiful, but intangible vision; a divine inspiration! Like all divine

inspirations, alas! it is by its nature impracticable. Imagine a sudden

uprising of the proletariate, a vast social movement, an European

revolution. Slowly, after its momentary chaos, a new cohesion would take

effect. The abstract virtues, from which the movement had had its

derivation, would become personified in our most popular legislators;

the new constitution would include, beside the disadvantages of an

untried mechanism, many errors latent in the old patterns which it would

necessarily follow; and we should discover, after a series of futile and

extravagant adventures, that the laws which govern society are

essentially natural laws, the slow growth of tacit acceptance, and not

merely the dusty records of a popular legislating assembly. Mankind does

not learn the lesson easily. One revolution engenders another, and

eventually the habit becomes ingrained. The history of mine own country,

from 1789 through the nineteenth century, a history of revolution, of

the conflict between ideals and realities, is a signal and a reminder to

the nations."

"You treat Christianity and Jacobinism as cognate ideas," said Leo,

after a pause. "There is surely this distinction between them, that one

was almost entirely religious, and the other almost entirely political."

"Ah," said Renan, with a deprecating smile, "all religions are

political, just as all politics are religious. Christianity with its

notion of mankind as a brotherhood, and the Papacy with its notions of a

spiritual empire, a suzerainty, over all peoples, have destroyed the

ancient conception of the unity of Church and State. The religion of the

Greeks was embodied in their laws; and the politics of the Jews, in

their religion. The ideal conception of religion as something quite

distinct from the State has proved unworkable, if not disastrous. All

the churches have had to smite their mystics with the thunders of

excommunication, to extinguish the inward light, to restrain the free

play of thought. Even the most primitive form of Christianity, the

Messianic notion, was purely political. If we are to talk on social

questions we cannot separate religion from politics. The distinction

between them is artificial; they are merely the opposite poles of a

single idea."

"Ah, well!" said Leo, shrugging his shoulders; "the progress of humanity

is a chimæra if it ends merely in stagnation. These bleak, arid masses

of mankind living without pleasures in their Chinese frugality, what

future have they before them?"

"An awakening," said Renan prophetically; "the Kings of Uruk reigning

over a decadent civilisation, Sardanapalus foreseeing the stagnation of

his people did not dream of a future which they had helped to create.

The process of evolution acts in tides; there is a continuous ebb and

flow; the seed lies hidden in the ground until the wizardry of Spring

calls it forth, and rain and sunlight nourishing it into new life, it

ripens for the harvest. Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen. In the

ruined palaces of Nineveh the beasts of the desert bring forth their

young, and the green lizards creep out from the crevices to sun

themselves upon a fragment of some boastful inscription; but the music

which echoed in its painted halls, the dancing and the choirs, the great

processions of its Kings, its wisdom and folly, its vain desires and

failures, its tears and laughter, these have their being still, they

move mysteriously in us, a breath would quicken them into life again, we

can rebuild them in moments that seem to have all the profundity of

time."

"Poet!" said Leo, with a smile creasing about his lean jaws. "The world

does not become socialist, it becomes Chinese; our civilisation tends to

a variety of forms, becomes uniform, and then again becomes diverse in

endless recurrence. Continue, Monsieur, but let us keep within the

bounds of our own age. Socialism is a definite political force; and even

if it do not triumph completely it must create certain new conditions.

I, myself, have condemned socialism in one of my encyclicals. I have

denied the sacred right of insurrection. Human institutions, which we

may think have survived their usefulness, are in reality only waiting

for their transformation, their character is moulded from outside. We

may sometimes fail to understand their mission, or to grasp the reasons

which impel them to follow certain paths, because these reasons are pale

reflections of some unappreciated causes. The world seems to progress,

within the limits of natural laws, by a series of unforeseen

developments. The future is latent in us; but the force which impels it

is hidden."

"Yes," answered Renan; "some internal conscience directs all progress,

and is the force which impels humanity on its way. This conscience has a

secret action long before it finds a voice. Its influence at first is

something subterranean and obscure; its bias is necessarily against the

official creeds, but it moves against them slowly, informing them with

the new spirit. I like to find this conscience acting through the poorer

and humbler classes of the people, the folk who are of the soil, whose

faith is something native and spontaneous, whose life and happiness

depends upon the sun and rain. It is significant that all the gods were

originally agricultural gods, that the history of every nation begins in

Eden. To the artisan, the dweller in towns, whose whole life consists in

turning out from a machine certain articles of a stereotyped pattern,

the universe is simply a piece of mechanism; he is himself merely a

machine, or part of a machine, performing a certain number of invariable

motions to produce a definite and invariable result. He lacks

inspiration, he has no vivid knowledge of the great element of chance

which moves, like one of those primitive elemental gods, behind all

human affairs, at times compassionate and friendly to man, at times

bursting out into a sudden fury of wanton destruction. He demands a

fixed wage, fixed hours of work, fixed prices for the commodities which

he consumes, the certainty of a pension in his old age. In a world of

fluctuations and vicissitudes he demands absolute security. He is

confident that he is going to do great things, that he has already

worked wonders. With the aid of science and art, which he starves, he is

going to make the earth pleasant and beautiful. He is quite confident

that in a few generations he will be born in an incubator, and die,

without pain, of sheer satiety. For him a fantastic assembly of

politicians, removable at his own will, represents Providence and the

divine wisdom. Is he less absurd than the savages who employ rain-makers

and witch doctors? I do not think so. Clearly he is not a person from

whom we can expect any but the most crude and mechanical readings of

life; his vague, restless, childish discontent, that hunger for barren

and tawdry pleasures which is characteristic of half-educated minds,

that lack of intercourse with the great elemental forces of Nature, can

issue in nothing but his own mental, moral, and physical damnation.

"For any new readings of life, for any renaissance of art and religion,

we must look to the simple folk, who are still close to the breasts of

Earth: the folk who of old imagined Apollo as a herd in the service of

Admetus; who found Demeter sitting by the well, and comforted her; who,

after the vintage had been gathered in, took down the grotesque masks,

which they had hung upon the vines to scare the birds and foxes from the

grapes, and acted in them, singing the hymns of Dionysos to the music of

pipes and flutes. Poetry, religion, love, the three things which quicken

life to new effort, are never far from the soil. The great conventional

middle-classes, even those heretics from Philistia, the followers of

Comte and Marx, the mediocre intelligences whose political principles

are communist, and whose religious principles are positivist, these have

little influence on the future. Socialism differs from all previous

Utopian dreams simply because it lacks their vital energy; it is

material and mechanical where the older ideas were spiritual and

natural; it is lacking in a sense of morality, in a sense of beauty, in

a sense of truth. You will not find the conscience of humanity in any of

these creeds."

"It seems," said Leo, "that we do not know where we are going."

"You have said that human institutions are only waiting for their

transformation," Renan replied. "An institution represents a need. It

has been formed by the spontaneous action of the community; but the

moment it has been thus constituted it becomes fixed, and ceases to

represent the living, developing forces which deposited it. Christianity

at first was perfectly fluid; the teaching of Paul was unsystematic,

local, momentary; but Christianity became a religion, not of inspiration

but of authority, it crystallised into an hierarchy and perished. In the

same way the idyll of St Francis and his companions crystallised into an

order, and perished. They exist among us as monuments, these

institutions; but the same forces which crystallised them are now

dissolving them; the moment they cut themselves off from the stream of

life they perished. I do not think that the future will differ

essentially from the past. Socialism is simply the cry of the poor

against the rich. Dives is well-clad and fares sumptuously every day; no

other crime is alleged against him, but these are sufficient to ensure

his damnation. Perhaps the maker of the parable saw some peculiar virtue

in poverty and suffering, which filled the heart with a spiritual grace,

and uplifted it with moral fortitude. Perhaps he saw the wealth of Dives

as poverty, as a lack of spiritual experience.

"Socialism, however, does not share this view; on the contrary, it

asserts that wealth is the sole condition of spiritual grace and moral

fortitude, and it is therefore bent on sharing with Dives the good

things of this world. Consequently socialism has against it the two most

deeply-rooted of human instincts, the instinct of acquisition and the

family instinct; because it denies the right of possession and the right

of bequest. How deeply-rooted the notion of property is we can see

exemplified in France, where the abolition of the right of primogeniture

has not had the effect which was expected of it, even the peasants in

certain departments having held out against it. But if the power of

bequest were entirely abolished, would people marry? The object for a

legalised relation is gone, and the production of our kind becomes

subject to the hazard of personal choice. It is possible that the State

would have to intervene and make maternity an honourable profession

under its own control, and that Plato's ideal of the State as a

foster-mother would be realised. This notion has, I confess, a singular

attraction for me. The substitution of a stock derived from careful

selection of parents for our present inferior stock; the careful

breeding of an aristocratic caste, appeals to the imagination, as it

shows the State actually realising what has always been its ideal.

"I could wish, Monsieur, that the socialists would form themselves into

monastic communities, practising the virtues of obedience and, if not

poverty, the community of goods. Yes; they should found a little Abbey

of Theleme, and take their whole rule from Rabelais. They would not

practise celibacy, but eugenics; and the education of their children

would be the same as that devised for Gargantua by Ponocrates. So they

would increase and multiply, and the whole earth would be filled with

the glory of their names. I fear that, unfortunately, the first verse of

what was written above the gate of Theleme would debar many from

entering. But grant that this Utopia is possible; it is surely no less

possible than the monastic ideal! And granted that a great aristocratic

caste would arise, a dedicated folk, surrounded by the decadent

populations of helots and hetairai, and that they would be able to

gather into their own hands the supreme control of things? what would be

the result? They would crystallise into an hierarchy, and perish. They

would rule as the priests ruled Egypt, and as the priests ruled mediæval

Europe. They would resuscitate the double tyranny of the Church and

State in one body. The whole progress of the last four hundred years has

been toward individual liberty in thought and word. That ideal would be

lost."

"I do not see the necessity of such ideals," said Leo. "I object to

socialism because it would mean the absolute tyranny of the State, the

despotism of a narrow and intolerant bureaucracy, tempered, as at

present in Russia, by a more or less indiscriminate system of

assassination. I have not the same objection to the tyranny of one man.

A philosopher on the throne, Monsieur, your charming Marcus Aurelius for

instance, may rule with wisdom and moderation; but an oligarchy of

philosophers, like the Thirty at Athens: hell is naked before them and

destruction hath no covering! Such experiments, as you say, infect the

people with a lust for revolution. History, the only guide for political

prophets, shows us that sudden disturbance of the social order breeds a

whole series, whether such a disturbance occur among the ancient Greeks,

or the Romans, or the French. The diverse natures of the peoples, the

different conditions of the age in which they lived, and of their

political methods do not alter the central fact. Humanity in the lump is

a beast more terrible than any in Revelations."

"Ah, no!" cried Renan, with a sudden vivacity. "There is the chief glory

of the human race. They will sacrifice themselves for an impossible

ideal. None of us can contemplate that great tragedy of the French

Revolution without feeling cleansed by it. The enthusiasm of the people

has a kind of terrible grandeur. In such moments of divine delirium all

men assume heroic proportions. We may pity it for its fanaticism; we may

pity it for being so easily duped; but it is impossible to deny its

magnificent devotion to an ideal."

Leo was unmoved.

"You consider it a great moral movement, Monsieur?"

"Moral because all petty egoisms were obliterated," answered Renan. "Men

seemed for a moment to become the incarnations of ideas. Oh, on both

sides. Charlotte Corday, Danton, Madame Roland, Robespierre, Desmoulins,

Larochejacquelin; each individuality seems to have had its definite

mission, each seems to have been equally necessary, equally an

instrument of justice."

"You have said, Monsieur," continued Leo, after a pause, "that the

socialists would revive in one form the twin tyrannies of Church and

State, and destroy the ideal of individual liberty. You have also said

that the ancient conception of Church and State was a unity. Would the

kind of socialism which you sketch resemble the Greek State?"

"No ancient State, not even Athens, extended to its citizens the liberty

which we enjoy," answered Renan. "The State intervened in the private

affairs of the citizens; and Athens is notorious for having pursued the

philosophers with accusations of impiety. The noble conservative

families and the priesthood combined to stifle the new liberal thought.

The State, however, was democratic; the people ruled, decided by their

votes the policy of the State, and served on juries, or as judges.

Socialism condemns democracy: it aspires to govern not by the will of

the people, but according to its own interpretation of what it calls

scientific principles; and it seems that in its application of these

principles, it would be more bigoted and intolerant than the democratic

State in Greece ever was."

"Nothing then is permanent, which crystallises into an hierarchy, or is

limited by an institution," said Leo. "It seems to me that your gospel

is purely destructive. The whole progress of modern science is marked by

the ruins of ancient altars; you have freed mankind from all moral

obligations in denying that he is a responsible agent, and in showing

that he is merely a creature of inherited instincts; you have shown him

that his life is no more than a ripple on the water, a sudden stir of

wind in the leaves, a momentary light in the darkness; you have denied

the God that his heart fashioned as a solace to his grief, a lamp to

guide him; you have taught him to seek for the perishable glories of the

earth. How will you make him a moral being again?"

Renan smiled.

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