Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When Putnam found him?
Mr. DEAN. I don't. I do know I sent for him one time, or had an officer
to go page the maintenance man to meet me, to have him unlock this door
in question, that I thought--or I wanted it opened so I could see in
it, to see if it was a service elevator or what. I had never seen that
door opened before.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you make any inquiries about the passenger
elevators?
Mr. DEAN. Coming into the garage portion?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. DEAN. Yes; they were operating at the time. I think there were two
colored boys that were operating the elevators, and we told them not to
come down to the basement for any reason. And we posted Brock there at
the elevators.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, so that we understand what we are talking about,
my recollection is that there is another elevator that's a service
elevator also?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir. This was the one that was operating, primarily,
that morning.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I think we can help things out here somewhat. This is a
diagram of the basement area, and I am going to mark this "Dallas,
Tex., Sergeant Dean, March 24, 1964, Exhibit 5007."
Now, making reference, Sergeant, to this particular diagram here, at
the time you searched the garage, it is my understanding that what's
marked on here as elevators Nos. 1 and 2 were operable, that there
were some colored boys in there, or somebody who was operating those
elevators?
Mr. DEAN. No. I believe those were not in operation, Nos. 1 and 2. The
service elevator was, I do know. There was the parking attendant, a
colored boy, and he sits here [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don't you put a mark on that diagram there, make it an
X?
Mr. DEAN. All right [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you want to label that parking attendant, or
whatever you think is appropriate?
Mr. DEAN. All right [indicating], this is a colored boy that usually
sits here. He has a bench there he sits on until he is needed. We made
him leave.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Made him leave?
Mr. DEAN. In fact, I think he was relieved from duty that day, because
I took him out of the Commerce Street ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And was there somebody operating that service elevator?
Mr. DEAN. The service elevator?
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many people were in that service elevator?
Mr. DEAN. There was one. When I said two persons I was thinking of
the elevator operator, which is also a colored boy, and the parking
attendant.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you want to just put an X on the service elevator, to
indicate there was somebody in there?
Mr. DEAN. All right, sir [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you want to place a mark at approximately the place
that you stationed the men who were guarding the entrance to the
subbasement, this reserve officer?
Mr. DEAN. Oh, the subbasement. Let me see--[indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me explain this diagram to you. This is the basement,
this dotted line here is the upstairs [indicating].
Mr. DEAN. Oh, I see.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This actually goes under the sidewalk here [indicating].
Mr. DEAN. This is where the reserve officer was [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, where did you station Brock?
Mr. DEAN. Put him in a position that he could see this door here and
also these three elevators [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, who else did you station in the basement?
Mr. DEAN. No one--well, Nelson was--let's see, Nelson was here
[indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. And where did you place Vaughn and where did you place
Patterson?
Mr. DEAN. Is this the exit proper, door, here to the--[indicating]?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. This would be the top of the ramp here [indicating].
Mr. DEAN. All right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, you want to sign this down here and mark
on there the time, sign it there and then in the middle of the diagram,
so it doesn't confuse things here, put the--well, sign it over under
here. If we put time in here, somebody may think that was the time
that you made the mark on here. Then if you would label this status of
basement, whenever it was that--[indicating].
Mr. DEAN. During the search?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. DEAN. [Indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay. Very good. Now, you have marked on here
approximately 9:15 to 9:30 a.m. I am not going to ask you what you
found there and so forth, because you have made a full statement on
it. We know, for example, you found a rifle in the back of one of the
police cars?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after the search was completed, where did you go?
Mr. DEAN. The pressmen were allowed to come back in.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me ask you this, where had they been removed to?
Mr. DEAN. Into the police court building, or the basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. By the records room?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. And they were allowed back in the basement?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your best estimate of the number of policemen that
came back into the basement?
Mr. DEAN. Well, of course, it increased as the time went on, so it
would be hard to----
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many newspapermen did you have to clear out of the
basement at 9:15, approximately?
Mr. DEAN. Oh, approximately 15 or 20, maybe 25.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you went down into the basement, before the
search, were there any TV cameras down there?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; I believe there was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you want to indicate on the map here where it is that
you think the TV cameras, or camera was placed?