Mr. GRIFFIN. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. As I say, I want to tell you a little bit about the scope
of this inquiry that we are going to go into. We have been authorized
to inquire into and evaluate and report to the President on all the
facts relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and all the
facts surrounding the death of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Calling you, Sergeant Dean, we are particularly interested in the facts
that surround the death of Oswald, although we don't mean to preclude
any other information that you may have which may pertain to the whole
area in which we are going. There has been a written request made to
Chief Curry, by the general counsel of our Commission staff, asking
that you appear here some time during this particular week. Now, this
is not quite in full keeping with the rules that have been set forth by
the Commission. Under the rules of the Commission you are entitled to
a 3-day written notice prior to having your deposition taken. This is
going to be sworn testimony. The rules also provide, however, that you
may waive this notice. I want to ask you right now, Sergeant Dean, if
you are willing to waive the written 3-day notice which you can require
us to give you?
Mr. DEAN. Yes. I will waive it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay. Now, I also want to tell you that you are entitled,
under the rules of the Commission to have an attorney present, if you
want, and I notice you are not here today with an attorney, and I
presume that is your desire, but do you?
Mr. DEAN. I will waive that, also.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay. Now, will you raise your right hand? Do you solemnly
swear that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole
truth, and nothing but the truth?
Mr. DEAN. I do.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you state for the record your full name?
Mr. DEAN. Patrick Trevore Dean.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where do you live?
Mr. DEAN. 2822 Nicholson, Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Dallas, Tex.?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where are you employed?
Mr. DEAN. Police Department.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Dallas Police Department?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long have you been with the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. DEAN. 11 years.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you hold any particular rank in the department?
Mr. DEAN. I am a sergeant.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long have you been a sergeant?
Mr. DEAN. 6 years.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What section were you assigned to in the police department?
Mr. DEAN. Patrol division.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That was on November 22, 23, and 24?
Mr. DEAN. That's correct.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, it's my understanding that you were not on duty on
either November 22 or 23?
Mr. DEAN. That's correct.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are these your regular off duty days?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What time did you come to work on Sunday, November 24?
Mr. DEAN. At 7 o'clock.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Prior to the time that you came to work, had you heard
anything about the proposed move of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; well, before I came to work, no, sir; I hadn't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Before you came to work did you know that Oswald was going
to be moved that day?
Mr. DEAN. Just rumored that some time during the day that he would be
moved.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How had you heard that?
Mr. DEAN. Well, rumors in around city hall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you been around the city hall on the 23d?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Or the 22d?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where then did you hear these rumors?
Mr. DEAN. I had just come into town just about the time the President
landed on Friday. I had been out to south Texas deer hunting, and that
day, I, of course, listened to all the news about the assassination,
and also the next day, on the 23d, and then on the 24th at 7 o'clock is
when I reported for duty.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, you indicated to me, though, that you had heard
rumors around the police station?
Mr. DEAN. This was on the 24th. They had said that sometime during
the day that Oswald would be moved. Now, who they are would be in the
captain's office, around in the captain's office and in my office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Referring to that period before you came on duty, had you
heard any rumors then?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So when you arrived you didn't have any idea that Oswald
was going to be moved that day?
Mr. DEAN. Repeat it?