Mr. HUBERT. Yes; read both of them.
Mr. ARCHER. All right. All right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have read the exhibits we have marked 5092 and
5093. Now, I will ask you if those statements contain the truth as you
knew it?
Mr. ARCHER. Yes, sir; with one correction here in this statement that
is headed by "Federal Bureau of Investigation".
Mr. HUBERT. I think you will find that that is Exhibit 5093.
Mr. ARCHER. 5093, yes, sir. It is not correct when it states that I
remained with Ruby until approximately 3 p.m. I believe that that was
3:30 p.m., as stated in my report. As I recall, when I was interviewed
by the gentleman, I did say 3:30. Now, like I say, it could be my
error, could be theirs, but----
Mr. HUBERT. Were there any omissions from, of fact from those
statements?
Mr. ARCHER. Any what, sir?
Mr. HUBERT. Any omissions of fact.
Mr. ARCHER. Well, I didn't go into every detail. There are several
statements that I didn't include in this report, and of some of the
conversation that took place in the jail and during the time that I was
with Ruby, and then some of the statements that were made downstairs.
By this, I mean when this investigation was made. I didn't have in
mind of any testimony being involved, that it was--more or less an
investigation as to how Ruby got into the basement, and what the
security breakdown was. That my--that was my impression.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you are relating to the fact that both of those
statements omit any statement as to what Ruby told you concerning his
intent to kill?
Mr. ARCHER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I wish to afford you an opportunity to state why that
fact, or those facts were omitted from the statements?
Mr. ARCHER. Well, at the time, I just didn't consider them pertinent to
the investigation that was in progress, and I just didn't recall them
as important information at the time. And as I explained, it was in my
mind that it was an inquiry, more or less, as to where I was and what I
was doing, and of an inquiry as to whether there was any negligent on
my part in regards to this security breakdown.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that the inclusion in these two statements of
his phrase "Son-of-a-bitch," was more important than his statement of
his intent?
Mr. ARCHER. Sir, at the time, it is like I say, whenever I gave the
statements I had in mind as to what I saw at the time of the shooting,
and that did take place at the time of the shooting, and I didn't go
into great detail as to what took place after we took him into custody,
took him upstairs and searched him and all. In other words, I had
in mind that if anyone wanted to know about it, well, they would be
afforded a chance for me to relate that.
Mr. HUBERT. When, in fact, did they find out that you had this
knowledge?
Mr. ARCHER. I don't recall the exact time or day.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you file another report than those we have here?
Mr. ARCHER. I have another report that is the part mental interview
which was taken, as I recall, from the date, on November 30th, which
was a continuing inquiry as to how Ruby got into the basement of the
city hall. I believe that it was taken by Lieutenant McCaghren and
Lieutenant C. C. Wallace.
Mr. HUBERT. In that statement you did not mention what Ruby told you
concerning his intent either, did you?
Mr. ARCHER. No, sir; I did not at that time.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you first convey that information to anyone at all?
Mr. ARCHER. To Mr. Alexander with the district attorney's office, when
he made a court inquiry at the city hall.
Mr. HUBERT. When was that?
Mr. ARCHER. I don't remember the date, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, how long after the shooting?
Mr. ARCHER. I just couldn't say.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, was it before Christmas, for example, or after?