Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you mean by this statement in here that, "Names of
other officers in the same area that I can't recollect." What do you
mean by the same area?
Mr. NEWMAN. By the same area there I meant the basement proper.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where in the basement do you remember seeing him?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Sergeant Crowey?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't recall any specific area.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where in the basement area did you recall seeing Stuets?
Now, is Lieutenant Stuets or Sergeant Crowey, either one of them, this
regular officer that you have got marked here with an "X"?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I know that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as far as that is concerned, then, you saw many
officers in here who you would remember, whose names you would remember?
Mr. NEWMAN. No. The way I took that question and the way I answered
it, those are the only two officers I saw that morning in the basement
whose names I did remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did they help you search the basement?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't believe so. They have been searching in another
area, but they weren't right with me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see Captain Arnett that day?
Mr. NEWMAN. Let me try to--I know he was there, but I don't think I
saw him. I may have seen him after the shooting. There was so much
confusion then that I wasn't paying too much attention to who I was
seeing.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know of an officer on the police force named
Blackie Harrison?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize Chief Batchelor when you see him?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't think I would. I have only seen the gentleman one
time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize Captain Butler when you see him?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize Captain Jones when you see him?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I don't know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize Officer Lowery when you see him?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know any of the officers in the juvenile bureau?
Mr. NEWMAN. I would know one if I saw him. I don't know him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know Detective Miller in the juvenile bureau?
Mr. NEWMAN. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you recognize the name of this guy in the juvenile
bureau, if I gave you his name?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; as far as I know, I have never heard it. I have only
been in there, I think, twice.
(Pause.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. You are a d--- l---. I want you to come back tomorrow
night and I want you----I want to question you some more.
Mr. NEWMAN. I certainly don't appreciate that accusation. I have given
you all I can, to the best of my memory, for 4 months.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want you to regard yourself as still under the
obligation to appear, that you are already under, by virtue of having
waived any notice here, and I would like to recess to continue this
deposition until 4 o'clock tomorrow afternoon in this office. If you
would care to consult with an attorney at that time, or anything like
that, and would like to come in here with one, I would be most happy
for you to do so.
Mr. NEWMAN. May I ask: What are you getting at?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, frankly, after having sat here for an hour and
having listened to this testimony, my own personal opinion, either you
are absolutely not telling the truth or plenty of other people who have
been in here aren't telling the truth. Somehow I am going to see how
the devil we can reconcile these differences.