Mr. GRIFFIN. To make this, maybe, a little easier, let's take the
pencil and you mark where you went to with pencil, and draw a line to
it, and then mark where this other fellow went. Why don't you put an
arrow, so we know which direction we are moving?
Mr. NEWMAN. (Indicating).
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Do you remember what the name of that officer
was?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what did you do as you got up to that spot?
Mr. NEWMAN. Well, he or I, neither one had anyway of knowing what
had happened, other than the fact a shot had been fired, and he
said, "Don't let anyone leave." There was a man came at me from this
direction, running towards me. I stopped him [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Was he a newspaper man or what?
Mr. NEWMAN. He later told me he was a member of one of these camera
crews.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do with him when you stopped him?
Mr. NEWMAN. We scuffled a couple of seconds there until he recognized I
was a police officer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you in uniform?
Mr. NEWMAN. Yes. And as I recall, he said, "I am not trying to leave. I
will stay with you. I just want to get away from there," or something
to that effect. He didn't stand there but for a minute. Then he asked
me if he could go back to the crew. I told him he could, but not to try
to leave the building. I still didn't know what had happened.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why would he run off in that direction?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't know. There was a man crouched behind this column
here [indicating]. I assumed, I still do, he was probably just trying
to find some place to go. Those columns offered the most protection.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how long did you remain there after you stopped that
man?
Mr. NEWMAN. Until the ambulance arrived.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you describe this man that you stopped?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I can't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever learn what TV crew he was from?
Mr. NEWMAN. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after the ambulance came, did you continue to remain
there?
Mr. NEWMAN. I moved up to the base of the Commerce ramp here. There was
another officer in plain clothes here--some newsmen tried to follow the
ambulance out and we stopped them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. That was a plain clothes officer, I think you
said.
Mr. NEWMAN. I think we stopped him. He showed us his identification and
he went on up the ramp. Not more than, oh, 2 or 3 minutes after that, I
assume they decided to let these men go where they wanted to. I don't
know that for a fact, but at any rate I was sent out on the corner of
Main and Harwood to direct traffic. There were quite a few police units
coming in from different parts of town.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you remain out on the corner of Main and
Harwood?
Mr. NEWMAN. Not over 10 minutes. A motorcycle officer relieved me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. NEWMAN. Then I returned to the assembly room and I was sent out to
Parkland.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About what time did you arrive out at Parkland Hospital?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't know exactly. From what happened, I would say 12:15
to 12:30, but that's just an approximation.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you remain out there?
Mr. NEWMAN. I was there until about 4:30 in the afternoon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk to anybody out there at Parkland Hospital?
Mr. NEWMAN. I talked to quite a few officers there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you stationed at Parkland Hospital?
Mr. NEWMAN. I was right on the entrance where you turn into the
hospital off of Harry Hines.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember what police officers you talked to?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't recall any except Captain Solomon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, at the time you were out there, did you tell anybody
about having seen this man come down the Main Street ramp?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; at the time I didn't place any significance on it,
because I still didn't know what happened.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you were standing out there, did you hear any
discussion about the name of the man who had shot Oswald?
Mr. NEWMAN. Not there. The officer who relieved me on the traffic
detail there on the corner asked me if I knew it was Jack Ruby that had
done it. That was all he said.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was that officer that relieved you?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't know his name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That was at 4 o'clock?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; it was at--oh, 12:15 or 12:30, on the corner of Harwood
and Main.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So, by the time you got to Parkland Hospital, you knew
Ruby had shot Oswald?
Mr. NEWMAN. I knew a man named Jack Ruby had shot him. The name didn't
mean anything to me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you relieve Officer Vaughn at the Main Street entrance?
Mr. NEWMAN. Right here [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Oh, you went to Main and Harwood?
Mr. NEWMAN. That's right; I did. On the way back I did spend, oh, maybe
5 minutes here at this entrance [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. You did?
Mr. NEWMAN. Directing traffic.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And was Officer Vaughn there?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't recall the officer's name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you got out to Parkland Hospital, did you tell
anybody out there the name of the person who shot Oswald?
Mr. NEWMAN. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember some of the officers who were out there at
Parkland Hospital? By this, I mean reserve officers as well as regular
officers?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't recall anyone by name except Captain Solomon. I
haven't been in the reserve long enough to know too many of these
men. I know there were 5 reserves--or 4 others and myself, who were
transported out there in the squad car.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You don't know any of the reserve officers by name,
outside of Solomon?
Mr. NEWMAN. Oh, yes; I know them, but I don't know any of those people.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Had you ever worked before with any of the reserve
officers who were out there?
Mr. NEWMAN. I had gone through school with one of them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Which one was that?
Mr. NEWMAN. There again, I can't tell you his name.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you describe him?
Mr. NEWMAN. He was--I would know his name if I saw it. Oh, rather tall,
I would say about 6'2", wavy black hair, medium built.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does he wear glasses?
Mr. NEWMAN. I don't think so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what he does, where he is employed?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how old is he?
Mr. NEWMAN. I guess late twenties.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know where he lives?
Mr. NEWMAN. No; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you see this particular officer out at Parkland
Hospital?