Mr. HUBERT. All right, just tell us what you observed?
Captain MARTIN. Well, as soon as the shot was fired, of course, it
dumbfounded me, and I tried to get through the people there on my
right, to get over there to it, and there was a lot of confusion in
there, and I had trouble getting through the press, and when I did get
through they had already taken Ruby into the jail office and Oswald was
also in the jail office. Ruby was down on the floor just inside the
jail, and Oswald was lying on the north side of the jail office.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, when Oswald first came out of the jail office
with Graves and Leavelle, were you looking at him?
Captain MARTIN. I saw him come out. Now, whether it was--it was shortly
after they come out--I saw him after the shot was fired.
Mr. HUBERT. You were looking towards him?
Captain MARTIN. Yes; I thought they were coming all around me and go up
by me and go up to the armored car, that is what I had in mind.
Mr. HUBERT. You were not aware that the plans had been changed so that
they--he was going to be taken in a police car, rather than in the
armored car?
Captain MARTIN. No; I didn't know anything about it.
Mr. HUBERT. But, did you know anything about the route that was going
to be used?
Captain MARTIN. No, as far as I knew, they were going to put him in
the armored truck. That is the reason I was standing there, because I
figured they would come right back there and I could go up there with
them, but they didn't ever make it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you observe what other officers were doing, or in what
direction they were looking about the time that Oswald came out?
Captain MARTIN. No; I didn't personally observe it, except on TV later.
At the time I didn't notice them.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, at the time that Oswald came out, you were
looking where--you were looking towards Oswald, and if I understand it,
you are not in a position to tell us now what other people were doing
except what you saw later on television, is that right?
Captain MARTIN. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, now do you have, any comment about what you saw
on--later on television?
Captain MARTIN. Well, it seems that all the officers were watching
Oswald when they should have been watching the crowd.
Mr. HUBERT. But, that impression you formed by looking at the
television coverage of it?
Captain MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And, you did not form that impression at the time the shot
was fired?
Captain MARTIN. No; I hadn't noticed them then. In fact, I was over
where I couldn't see them.
Mr. HUBERT. When was the first time that you did recognize Ruby as the
man who shot Oswald?
Captain MARTIN. When I went in the jail office.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn't know it until then?
Captain MARTIN. No; I saw him on the floor. Then I heard somebody say
it was Jack Ruby, and I went in there and saw him.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say anything to you?
Captain MARTIN. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear him say anything at all?
Captain MARTIN. There was so much going on, I don't know whether he
said anything or not. First thing I heard was somebody said, "He has
been shot." And then there was confusion. I don't know who said that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have occasion to talk to Ruby at any time
thereafter?
Captain MARTIN. No, no.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, Captain Martin, is there anything else you would like
to say concerning any aspect of this matter at all?
Captain MARTIN. I--don't take this down.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, if you don't want to say it on the record, you'd
better not say it at all.
Captain MARTIN. There is a lot to be said, but probably be better if I
don't say it.