Mr. HUBERT. This was really the front line "1," through "2."

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. And I'm writing on the map, "Position where Ruby was first

seen by Combest." Was he standing still then?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; he was stepping forward and--or lunging forward,

I guess would be the best way to put it.

Mr. HUBERT. You had not seen him, of course, prior to that moment?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; I had not.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you seen him in the crowd at all?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; I had not.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you seen him coming down?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; when I was standing with the crowd I couldn't see

the ramp there, the Main Street ramp.

Mr. HUBERT. You could see a part of it, couldn't you, the bottom?

Mr. COMBEST. Well, no, sir; it slanted up and they had an air

conditioner sitting across here where you have to be almost in

your--standing directly in the bottom of the ramp you couldn't see the

top of it very clearly.

Mr. HUBERT. But, you testified that you knew Ruby's face well enough so

that you could distinguish it in a crowd?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You had looked into that crowd and your eyes had become

accustomed to the lights?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, I ask you if you saw him in the crowd before he lunged

forward?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you think you would have seen him had he been in that

crowd during the 15 minutes or so prior to that shot, the shooting?

Mr. COMBEST. Quite possibly if he had been there very long I believe I

would have spotted him. I might not have, but knowing that he didn't

belong there I believe I would have spotted him right off.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, what precautions were taken to assure that

people who did not belong there would not be there?

Mr. COMBEST. Well, everyone that went out into the basement from the

jail office had to have the press card, proper identification showing

that they were members of the press and police officers. Other than

that no one was admitted to the basement parking area.

Mr. HUBERT. What kind of press cards were honored, and what were

dishonored?

Mr. COMBEST. Well, most of the news personnel there had the--had a

press card for that--I don't remember the wording. It was something

about--"Presidential press party," or something that they had. Of

course, it was recognized and then any other card that did have their

picture on it, and it had to say they were a member of a press, any

newspaper. I remember the Oklahoma City newspaper came in, and they

were admitted with their press cards.

Mr. HUBERT. Did they have to have their picture on the press cards?

Mr. COMBEST. The ones I checked, I remember now I wasn't actually

stationed there at the cars. There were two uniformed officers here

who were actually doing the checking. Of course, I did check some to

expedite travel through that narrow corridor.

Mr. HUBERT. What I'm trying to get at, there were no particular press

cards issued for this particular occasion?

Mr. COMBEST. Not that I recall; no, sir. Not that I know of.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember any instances in which you were involved

or in which you observed in which persons who were not properly--who

didn't have a press card, were removed or questioned?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir; in my letter there to Chief Curry I recall there

was a girl that worked at the police information desk, which is in

the basement, by the records bureau, had went out into the basement,

at least on one occasion to summon officers that were wanted on the

telephone. On the next time that I noticed her start to go into there,

she was stopped by Sergeant Putnam, as I recall it. He advised her that

she would not go into the basement if she had messages to officers that

were in the basement, and she was not to leave her assignment behind

the information desk until the transfer was over. Also, to a civilian

employee that worked in the jail booking office proper. He had came

out into the parking basement, appeared to have a look around to see

what was going on. He was told to get back behind the desk in the jail

booking office and remain there until after the transfer was over.

Also, one other incident, I think I have also put in my letter there

and regarding a reporter for the Oklahoma City News, I believe his

name is Jim Standard. He did not have a press card. He was stopped and

questioned, but he did have proper identification to prove that he did

work for the Oklahoma City newspaper. He had a hospitalization card

made out to a group policy of this newspaper in Oklahoma City. Had some

letters and correspondence to him, addressed to him at that location,

and after convincing myself and Beaty, he convinced Captain Talbert

that he was a legitimate member of the press and he was admitted. Two

or 3 days after the incident I was in Oklahoma City and I saw the

article he had written showing this incident in Dallas and his picture

was also in the Oklahoma City paper, and I remembered him. I recognized

him. And he wrote a pretty good article on the security in the basement.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you speak to Ruby after the shooting?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear him say anything?

Mr. COMBEST. Again, I heard him talking when he came into the jail

office proper, where the booking office is located. As I recall it,

they laid him on the floor to put the handcuffs on him more securely.

He was talking then as they led him past the spot where Oswald was

laying, near the elevator, to take him to jail. He was also talking. He

was looking in the direction of Oswald and was talking to the officers

that were leading him away. I don't recall any specific statement he

made.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear Oswald say anything?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir. He--I didn't hear him say a word hardly, after he

had been shot. He was moaning at the time Jimmy Leavelle, Graves, and I

laid him down on the floor and removed the handcuffs that he had on him.

Mr. HUBERT. That was in the jail office?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir. At the time I asked him and talked to him trying

to get him to make a statement to me at the time. Especially, after I

realized how serious the wound was. When we first asked him he appeared

to comprehend what I was saying.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you ask him?

Mr. COMBEST. Well, I told him was there anything that he wanted me to

tell anybody or was there anything he wanted to say right now before it

was too late, and I don't remember my--exactly the words that I did say

to him, but after I realized the seriousness of the wound, of course,

trying to let him know if he was ever going to say anything he was

going to have to say it then.

Mr. HUBERT. You thought he was dying?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. HUBERT. And do you think you used language to him to convey to him

your idea that he was dying?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you get any indication that he actually understood what

you were trying to convey to him?

Mr. COMBEST. When I first started asking him he did. He looked up at

me, seemed to recognize that I--who was talking to him.

Mr. HUBERT. You don't mean that he recognized you as a person?

Mr. COMBEST. He recognized that I was the person talking to him.

Mr. HUBERT. But, he didn't say anything?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; just shook his head and I said, "Do you have

anything you want to tell us now," and he shook his head.

Mr. HUBERT. He did not say the word "No"?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; he did not say anything at all.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you indicate to him that if he had any accomplices or

wanted to clarify the shooting of the President, that he had better do

it right quick?

Mr. COMBEST. Not in those words. I didn't mention "accomplice," or

anything. I was real excited at the time but I kept talking to him as

long as I thought that he would try to answer me, hoping that he would

give a dying declaration on the shooting.

Mr. HUBERT. And you think you used language sufficiently clear to him

to indicate to him that in your opinion he was dying and on account of

the fact that he was dying it was just about the last time he would

have a chance to say anything about the shooting of the President, or

the shooting?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir; that's correct.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you see Ruby thereafter?

Mr. COMBEST. What was the question, sir?

Mr. HUBERT. Did you see Ruby, thereafter?

Mr. COMBEST. I didn't see him until after he had passed through the

jail office. Now, in the jail elevator. The next time I saw him at the

preliminary hearing in Judge Brown's office in the court house.

Mr. HUBERT. You didn't hear him say anything else?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you heard anything that would indicate to you that any

member of the police department actually saw Ruby in the garage prior

to the shooting?

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir; not on this day, this particular day.

Mr. HUBERT. I am talking about this day.

Mr. COMBEST. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did any member of the police department ask you whether you

had seen Ruby prior to the shooting?

Mr. COMBEST. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was that?

Mr. COMBEST. Lieutenant Revill, Jack Revill and Lieutenant Cornwall.

Now, they were members of a group that were investigating within the

police department, and I was interrogated by them as to if I had seen

him that day.

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