Mr. BEATY. And, by the way, after that they moved these people back,
these officers on the north side of the hallway were moved out into the
ramp area here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. These started to move out?
Mr. BEATY. Yes, sir; they did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how about the people on your side?
Mr. BEATY. There was only about four of us over there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You people stayed where you were?
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me ask you this. Do you think these people who were on
the ramp side, which you call the north side----
Mr. BEATY. Yes, sir; I would call it the north side.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What you have called the north side opposite where you
were standing, do you think those people began to move out sort of
instinctively?
Mr. BEATY. No; they moved out before he got out there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I see.
Mr. BEATY. And I am sure that there were some more officers that, I
don't know, that were along here. They had two people stationed out
here, a reserve and a----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Put an "X" where these reserves were.
Mr. BEATY. To keep these people from coming through here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. This was between the swinging doors and the main elevators?
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, were there two reserve officers?
Mr. BEATY. No; they had one reserve and one officer stationed here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right.
Mr. BEATY. Yes, and before they brought Oswald out, there was some
photographers in this area inside the jail office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You have placed circles in the jail office where there
were photographers?
Mr. BEATY. And they were removed by a uniformed officer and asked to
come out here, or out here, or back here, and I recall some of them
went this way and went on out and took their place.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Some of them went toward the garage area and some on the
Main Street ramp?
Mr. BEATY. Some came back through these double doors, and were standing
along this hallway like they might be going to try to photograph
through the window. I remember one guy had a big shoulder camera and
one at--at one of these windows here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So, is it fair to say that one of the functions you people
served in standing along the wall that you were on, was to make sure
that as these photographers cleared out the jail office, they didn't
line up along the wall?
Mr. BEATY. Yes; also, to double check this double door after he went
by, and somebody might have gotten instructions, I don't remember
whether they did or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, detective, after Oswald was shot, did you go into the
jail office?
Mr. BEATY. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you go upstairs with Ruby?
Mr. BEATY. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do after Ruby shot Oswald? After Ruby was
taken upstairs? What did you do?
Mr. BEATY. Captain Jones said, "Do you have a car out," and I told him,
"Yes, sir."
He said, "Get about five of these officers," and I don't remember which
one, "and go to Parkland Hospital and help them with security." And
within 5 minutes after he was shot, we were on our way to Parkland.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember if Sergeant Dean was out there?
Mr. BEATY. I don't think he was. He might have been. I didn't remember
seeing him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember if he went in your group?
Mr. BEATY. No; I am pretty sure of both of the detectives in our group.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you remain at Parkland Hospital?
Mr. BEATY. Let's see, probably after 2 o'clock, maybe 3 o'clock that
afternoon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were out at Parkland Hospital, did you hear any
rumors about how Ruby got down to the basement?
Mr. BEATY. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you got back to the police department, did you hear
any rumors back there as to how Ruby got into the basement?
Mr. BEATY. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How soon after you got back to the police station were
you asked to prepare a report to Chief Curry? Don't look at this. I
want you to do this from your own recollection.
Mr. BEATY. Probably the next day. I don't even remember. I couldn't
tell you. Somebody said, you got to write a report. But this was the
second or third one. We wrote a little report along as we went to kind
of, each day we have a daily report we turn in.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you write a report at the end of the day?
Mr. BEATY. I am not sure whether I did that or not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you do this. After you leave, would you check back
at the police department and find out if you did write a daily report.
Mr. BEATY. If I did, it would be a special assignment. It wouldn't have
anything to do with the narcotics.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would it have any details of what you did?
Mr. BEATY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, I am going to mark this map we have been working
with, "Dallas, Tex., Detective Beaty, March 26, 1964, Exhibit 5039."
Now, is this Exhibit 5039 the document that you have been making marks
on during this discussion?
Mr. BEATY. Yes; it is.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I wonder if you would sign that and then date it?
Mr. BEATY. [Signs and dates.] What is the date, the 26th?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. All right, I am going to mark the interview report
by Agents Dallman and Quigley of the interview with you on December 3,
1963, as "Dallas, Tex., Detective Beaty, 3-26-64----"
Mr. BEATY. That happened in Garland.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But we are marking it here in Dallas.
Mr. BEATY. Okay.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to mark what purports to be a copy of a letter
which you prepared to go to Chief Curry, which is dated November 27,
1963, and mark that "Dallas, Texas, Detective Beaty, 3-26-64, Exhibit
5041." I want you to look at 5041 and tell me if you had a chance to
read that over?
Mr. BEATY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that a true and accurate copy of a letter that you sent
to Chief Curry?
Mr. BEATY. That looks like it might be; yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You have read over both the interview report, Exhibit
5040, and this letter, Exhibit 5041? Other than the changes you have
already made on Exhibit 5040, and the testimony which you have already
given here today, are there any additions or corrections that you would
want to make in either of these?
Mr. BEATY. Not that I can remember or think of. I have thought about
it some since it happened to see if I could remember anything that I
didn't tell the FBI agents, and I can't think of a thing. Actually, I
didn't see a whole lot of the actual shooting.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anything that you would want to tell the
Commission that you think would be important to us in connection with
our investigation?
Mr. BEATY. I don't think of a thing. You have covered it pretty well.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you and I have any interview of any sort prior to the
time we took this deposition.
Mr. BEATY. You talked to me in the hall and said read this, is all.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I handed you Exhibits 5040 and 5041, but other than giving
it to you and asking you to read it before the interview?
Mr. BEATY. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you been interviewed by any other member of the
Commission staff?
Mr. BEATY. You are speaking of the Warren Commission?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BEATY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, other than the interview that you had with Dallman
and Quigley on December 3, 1963, do you recall whether you were
interviewed by any other Federal agent?
Mr. BEATY. No; I am pretty sure I wasn't.